So I can understand the upset around things like running, jumping and lifting. But what’s the big deal about angling?
> She said male-born competitors had far more upper-body strength, adding: ‘This is such an advantage, with the ability to cast longer distances than any woman. They have the capability of doing this while using more powerful equipment, such as stiffer and more powerful rods.
There’s no way that phrasing wasn’t intentional…
What a gross article circling a person’s head like a target. Funnily enough I’d like to see which one the ‘transvestigators’ would guess was trans if handed the group shot and told there was one among them. Literally everyone in the picture has some of the ‘signs’ that those people talk about being ‘obvious’ tells.
Then reading into the story… it seems to be a team sport so if she has such an advantage, how is that bad for the team?? Then we find out that the women who quit are in their 60s! And that this angler has competed with them since 2018 off and on? Sounds like three ladies just have a prejudice and/or are miffed that a particular pal wasn’t chosen this year.
E: It’s cute that folk have now arrived to downvote every comment I’ve made in this thread. Fascinating that over 1000 people on the UK sub actually care so much about women’s fishing. Fascinating that everyone cares so much about what the three out of 6 women (yes, that is the ‘half of the team’ that the heading refers to – a tiny number) who’ve left the squad, including 66 year old Heather, a woman past retirement age, think about this, and nobody seems to care what the other 3 out of 6 who stayed, happy with the situation, think. So we can care about what (cis) women think as long as it’s anti-trans, but essentially silencing the others’ views is fine with you, is it?
The only people who care about the England angling team are oddly enough present in the picture
Ughhh. Why does this shit have to be peddled. It’s such a minor issue in the scheme of things yet this is all that gets talked bout for trans rights.
If only sports like rowing, boxing, power lifting, and judo where your stature gives you such an advantage as to make competition no fun had thought of a way to make it fun for people who are a bit “heavy” and a bit “light”….
> The trans angler, who one former team-mate described as having ‘hands like shovels’
Call it a hunch, but I get the feeling this isn’t entirely about fairness concerns.
If its that big of a deal why did only half the team quit?
The “hands like shovels” line is very telling of the kind of people we’re dealing with here.
They don’t care about the sport or bothering to learn the impact of medical transitions, they don’t think this transwoman passes for cis, and so they don’t want her on the team.
The facts of the matter are, many transwomen take hormones to aid their transition. These hormones change the woman’s body chemistry and in many ways bring their strength and hormones in line with cis women.
This does take time, and at 2 years a trans woman can have 12% more muscle than a ciswoman, but that is considerably down from pre-transition. And there’s no data that I can find that goes beyond three years.
The article makes it sound like this woman joined the team in 2017 and had gender-affirming surgery shortly after. You don’t get given the surgery without years of evidence that you’ve socially transitions and also been prescribed hormones.
Meaning this woman has likely been on hormones for at least six years, twice as long as there is evidence to suggest she has any advantage.
So the woman that quit the team, are just a bunch of transphobes with no data to back up what they’re saying.
Paper for bigoted cunts reports on some bigoted cunts
TL;DR – a couple pensioners retroactively decide their teammate of over 5 years shouldn’t be allowed to compete and … quit over it?
This feels like half a story. Her being trans is likely a scapegoat for some other issue they had like they wanted someone else to get picked, but playing the “trans unfair” card is more likely to get traction thanks to the media
Why do you need to split angling (and other non physical sports) into male and female camps?
I was of the opinion that, statistically, women are more successful anglers than men. Does this mean that the team would be handicapped?
Sounds like the team now has less transphobes on it. Good.
I’m all for trans rights. I really am.
But competitive sport is where their rights ends and where the rights of females begin.
Having said that they should be able to join the men’s team without any troubles or protests.
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Great, I accidentally went to the Daily Mail.
So I can understand the upset around things like running, jumping and lifting. But what’s the big deal about angling?
> She said male-born competitors had far more upper-body strength, adding: ‘This is such an advantage, with the ability to cast longer distances than any woman. They have the capability of doing this while using more powerful equipment, such as stiffer and more powerful rods.
There’s no way that phrasing wasn’t intentional…
What a gross article circling a person’s head like a target. Funnily enough I’d like to see which one the ‘transvestigators’ would guess was trans if handed the group shot and told there was one among them. Literally everyone in the picture has some of the ‘signs’ that those people talk about being ‘obvious’ tells.
Then reading into the story… it seems to be a team sport so if she has such an advantage, how is that bad for the team?? Then we find out that the women who quit are in their 60s! And that this angler has competed with them since 2018 off and on? Sounds like three ladies just have a prejudice and/or are miffed that a particular pal wasn’t chosen this year.
E: It’s cute that folk have now arrived to downvote every comment I’ve made in this thread. Fascinating that over 1000 people on the UK sub actually care so much about women’s fishing. Fascinating that everyone cares so much about what the three out of 6 women (yes, that is the ‘half of the team’ that the heading refers to – a tiny number) who’ve left the squad, including 66 year old Heather, a woman past retirement age, think about this, and nobody seems to care what the other 3 out of 6 who stayed, happy with the situation, think. So we can care about what (cis) women think as long as it’s anti-trans, but essentially silencing the others’ views is fine with you, is it?
The only people who care about the England angling team are oddly enough present in the picture
Ughhh. Why does this shit have to be peddled. It’s such a minor issue in the scheme of things yet this is all that gets talked bout for trans rights.
If only sports like rowing, boxing, power lifting, and judo where your stature gives you such an advantage as to make competition no fun had thought of a way to make it fun for people who are a bit “heavy” and a bit “light”….
> The trans angler, who one former team-mate described as having ‘hands like shovels’
Call it a hunch, but I get the feeling this isn’t entirely about fairness concerns.
If its that big of a deal why did only half the team quit?
The “hands like shovels” line is very telling of the kind of people we’re dealing with here.
They don’t care about the sport or bothering to learn the impact of medical transitions, they don’t think this transwoman passes for cis, and so they don’t want her on the team.
The facts of the matter are, many transwomen take hormones to aid their transition. These hormones change the woman’s body chemistry and in many ways bring their strength and hormones in line with cis women.
This does take time, and at 2 years a trans woman can have 12% more muscle than a ciswoman, but that is considerably down from pre-transition. And there’s no data that I can find that goes beyond three years.
The article makes it sound like this woman joined the team in 2017 and had gender-affirming surgery shortly after. You don’t get given the surgery without years of evidence that you’ve socially transitions and also been prescribed hormones.
Meaning this woman has likely been on hormones for at least six years, twice as long as there is evidence to suggest she has any advantage.
So the woman that quit the team, are just a bunch of transphobes with no data to back up what they’re saying.
Paper for bigoted cunts reports on some bigoted cunts
TL;DR – a couple pensioners retroactively decide their teammate of over 5 years shouldn’t be allowed to compete and … quit over it?
This feels like half a story. Her being trans is likely a scapegoat for some other issue they had like they wanted someone else to get picked, but playing the “trans unfair” card is more likely to get traction thanks to the media
Why do you need to split angling (and other non physical sports) into male and female camps?
I was of the opinion that, statistically, women are more successful anglers than men. Does this mean that the team would be handicapped?
Sounds like the team now has less transphobes on it. Good.
I’m all for trans rights. I really am.
But competitive sport is where their rights ends and where the rights of females begin.
Having said that they should be able to join the men’s team without any troubles or protests.