Yeah I thought it was messed up I had to get this card to apply for paternity leave. Mostly pissed because it involved physically going to a social welfare office and linking my mobile phone??
Now this story is saying they are using facial matching software on the photo they took of me? Hello dystopia
Is some civil servant going to send me a fine next time I’m caught taking a piss down a lane… or worse?
We’ve known this for a while, but rather than actually generate solutions, the government will opt to continue just ignoring this and build shoddy systems upon shoddy systems with zero legislative support only for everything to come crashing down with an ECHR case in 20 years when the systems already comprise essential parts of our public administrative systems and it’ll cost millions to remove and rebuild actually legislatively sound administrative functions
This run of government has taught us that FF/FG sure do love their illegal activities.
What’s gonna be their response to this? Go back to the drawing board and come up with a legal and viable idea? Lol fat chance of that happening. They’ll put their heads down, blinders on, and push through regardless because whoever was the architect of this knew full well it’d be illegal. You have to ask why they wanted to do it this way despite it being obvious it wouldn’t be legal? What advantages are they, or more importantly someone else, getting from it?
I wonder if Meta is somehow involved here with lobbying or something like that.
“There is also a risk of personal data being “further processed or transferred for unspecified and/or illegitimate purposes” by the Department of Social Protection or the third-party provider, the assessment, carried out my KPMG for DPIA, concluded.”
There was an AMA with someone from the department when this came out and I was worried about this and they reassured me that there was no chance of that happening. I didn’t believe them. I didn’t get a card and felt like a conspiracy nut. I’m glad I didn’t get it now. It’s a relief to know that actual experts agreed.
I changed my address on my driving licence and without any indication they used MyGovID photo, which is a PSC card photo from about 2010.
There is a story around why that photo is especially rubbish but a bureaucrat won’t care.
Up to now I haven’t had time to go into the NDLS in person to change the photo, which is the only way they’ll do it. A photo alone isn’t possible to change on the website.
I asked them if I was applying for a driver licence and used a 13 year old photo, would that be in any way appropriate?
My photo on PSC was never updated because it seemed that if you weren’t on social welfare etc it wasn’t a card you used. I also thought it was becoming irrelevant or phased out because of its questionable data keeping.
So now a PSC I never use has a current photo and my driver licence has a 2010 photo because apparently that’s acceptable if I get pulled over.
Then throw in Drew Harris wanting (real time) facial recognition on Garda body cams.
I renewed my learner permit last year and the photo they used was from the PSC card I was forced to get on a Saturday morning in 2014 when I was between jobs and had to sign on. I didn’t want or consent to that photo being used on my permit, and would have gone to NDLS in person if I knew they’d be using that one as it looks nothing like present day me!
Can’t we just implement a proper ID like the leading European countries? Seriously Ireland still wanting to be in the 13th century when it comes to identification.
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Irelands fucking great with protecting our data. The HSE hack showed us that. Add in the want or present use of facial recognition software and Ireland’s gonna be right little dystopia.
I know it was determined that the PSC is an illegal card. So why do you need one for a GovID account to renew a license for example? It says you need one if you are using social welfare, which I can understand. But if one is not in receipt of social welfare why is it still flagged as required to have a PSC?
The Irish minority obsession with ID cards being bad is almost on the same level as COVID conspiracists. ID cards are ridic useful, not least as they also act as uniform verified IDs for online delivery of government services and can be used as a reliable ID for digital medical records.
I never got a public service card. I got an appointment one time many years ago, went in, but the camera wasn’t working that day and they said they would reschedule but never did.
I’ve never needed one anyways.
It was for the Boris border. To track people crossing into the UK.
Brilliant, I love it. Let’s take up the High Court using AI
I was a little suspicious when they wanted my picture from a P SC card
I cut my hair now my FRS does not work
It’s to stop benefit fraud they can cross reference with the north too, to find out if people are claiming in both jurisdictions.
Having a public ID card saves a tremendous amount of hassle.
I had to get one when returning from overseas as a proof of ID for a background check.
Honestly from a one login services management perspective it was great – and still is – for logging into crap gov sites. If they hadn’t of made a balls of the photo data it would of been successful but ofc now the whole thing is fucked so the benefits of having one and linking all accounts is going with it…
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Yeah I thought it was messed up I had to get this card to apply for paternity leave. Mostly pissed because it involved physically going to a social welfare office and linking my mobile phone??
Now this story is saying they are using facial matching software on the photo they took of me? Hello dystopia
Is some civil servant going to send me a fine next time I’m caught taking a piss down a lane… or worse?
We’ve known this for a while, but rather than actually generate solutions, the government will opt to continue just ignoring this and build shoddy systems upon shoddy systems with zero legislative support only for everything to come crashing down with an ECHR case in 20 years when the systems already comprise essential parts of our public administrative systems and it’ll cost millions to remove and rebuild actually legislatively sound administrative functions
This run of government has taught us that FF/FG sure do love their illegal activities.
What’s gonna be their response to this? Go back to the drawing board and come up with a legal and viable idea? Lol fat chance of that happening. They’ll put their heads down, blinders on, and push through regardless because whoever was the architect of this knew full well it’d be illegal. You have to ask why they wanted to do it this way despite it being obvious it wouldn’t be legal? What advantages are they, or more importantly someone else, getting from it?
I wonder if Meta is somehow involved here with lobbying or something like that.
“There is also a risk of personal data being “further processed or transferred for unspecified and/or illegitimate purposes” by the Department of Social Protection or the third-party provider, the assessment, carried out my KPMG for DPIA, concluded.”
There was an AMA with someone from the department when this came out and I was worried about this and they reassured me that there was no chance of that happening. I didn’t believe them. I didn’t get a card and felt like a conspiracy nut. I’m glad I didn’t get it now. It’s a relief to know that actual experts agreed.
I changed my address on my driving licence and without any indication they used MyGovID photo, which is a PSC card photo from about 2010.
There is a story around why that photo is especially rubbish but a bureaucrat won’t care.
Up to now I haven’t had time to go into the NDLS in person to change the photo, which is the only way they’ll do it. A photo alone isn’t possible to change on the website.
I asked them if I was applying for a driver licence and used a 13 year old photo, would that be in any way appropriate?
My photo on PSC was never updated because it seemed that if you weren’t on social welfare etc it wasn’t a card you used. I also thought it was becoming irrelevant or phased out because of its questionable data keeping.
So now a PSC I never use has a current photo and my driver licence has a 2010 photo because apparently that’s acceptable if I get pulled over.
Then throw in Drew Harris wanting (real time) facial recognition on Garda body cams.
I renewed my learner permit last year and the photo they used was from the PSC card I was forced to get on a Saturday morning in 2014 when I was between jobs and had to sign on. I didn’t want or consent to that photo being used on my permit, and would have gone to NDLS in person if I knew they’d be using that one as it looks nothing like present day me!
Can’t we just implement a proper ID like the leading European countries? Seriously Ireland still wanting to be in the 13th century when it comes to identification.
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Irelands fucking great with protecting our data. The HSE hack showed us that. Add in the want or present use of facial recognition software and Ireland’s gonna be right little dystopia.
I know it was determined that the PSC is an illegal card. So why do you need one for a GovID account to renew a license for example? It says you need one if you are using social welfare, which I can understand. But if one is not in receipt of social welfare why is it still flagged as required to have a PSC?
The Irish minority obsession with ID cards being bad is almost on the same level as COVID conspiracists. ID cards are ridic useful, not least as they also act as uniform verified IDs for online delivery of government services and can be used as a reliable ID for digital medical records.
I never got a public service card. I got an appointment one time many years ago, went in, but the camera wasn’t working that day and they said they would reschedule but never did.
I’ve never needed one anyways.
It was for the Boris border. To track people crossing into the UK.
Brilliant, I love it. Let’s take up the High Court using AI
I was a little suspicious when they wanted my picture from a P SC card
I cut my hair now my FRS does not work
It’s to stop benefit fraud they can cross reference with the north too, to find out if people are claiming in both jurisdictions.
[https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/cross-border-cheats-loot-700k-in-welfare-benefits/28497460.html](https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/cross-border-cheats-loot-700k-in-welfare-benefits/28497460.html)
Having a public ID card saves a tremendous amount of hassle.
I had to get one when returning from overseas as a proof of ID for a background check.
Honestly from a one login services management perspective it was great – and still is – for logging into crap gov sites. If they hadn’t of made a balls of the photo data it would of been successful but ofc now the whole thing is fucked so the benefits of having one and linking all accounts is going with it…