Because they dont do anything. When my friends kid got beat up by a gang of the same age with knives, the police said its a school issue
Police need a major education campaign, show the public the reality of what they do.
They are literally doing hit and runs and getting away with it by claiming amnesia. You can have another officer in the car who won’t say anything until the next day. They’re not even doing the most basic stuff we expect from members of the public
Not helped by the CPS.
They seem to have wildly different expectations for how much the public hates anti-social behaviour in a trial and so won’t recommend charges. Sentencing should also be dramatically increased for anti-social behaviour.
Why would anyone want to be part of the police these days
Paid awfully to deal with the worst of society, meanwhile everyone hates you.
No wonder they only get bad recruits. Look at the job. Good wages? No. Respect from society? No. Enjoyable working environment? No. The only benefit is that you can abuse your power, so your gonna get people that want to do that.
They are heavy handed at peaceful protests, completely absent presence in most working class towns and seemingly booked in numbers to protect VIP’s. I wonder why public opinion is at an all time low? Can’t quite put my finger on it.
There’s a million and one points that could be made on the scandals surrounding police conduct in recent years.
But they key thing, IMO, is that they no longer seem to be making any effort to actually solve any crimes.
Victim of fraud? Try the bank
Burglary? Let your insurance know
Sexual assault? I hope you have video footage or we can’t secure a conviction
What’s the point of the police if they aren’t actually helping to uphold the law?
Much like many things in this country. We are trying to Police in the 21st century, with early 20th century system and set up and a tiny budget.
Death by a thousand cuts, not simply just the police but the surrounding services also.
Not to mention police are a gang. In terms of oversight, they protect each other, and are complicit in overlooking lots of shit that happens in the line of duty. Add to that whistleblowing probably means an end to your career so these problems just remain ever present.
Trust is low and rightfully so.
Apart from the news: harshly arresting middle aged anti monarchy protesters or saying they ‘understand people’s Frustrations’ when members of the public attack just stop oil protestors.
That aside I can’t remember the last time I saw a police officer. Loads of trouble in the town I live, same people all the times. Same bars having illegal lock ins. Same people drunk driving.
Not a damn thing done.
I find the UK’s system utterly bizarre. Defence of property is so strongly limited that it’s essentially outlawed, yet the police will refuse to do anything on your behalf.
If someone walks into my house and takes my TV from in front of me, I’m supposed to let them leave, because “PROPERTY iSN’T WORTh MorE tHAN Human lifE”. If I tell the police that someone stole my TV, they’ll give me a crime number and tell me to claim it on my insurance.
With those odds, why wouldn’t you be a thief?
Knew someone who worked in adult social services. They had a case where a disabled person was getting seriously mishandled and occasionally abused by a care provider, something they legally had to report to the police. So they did.
The police accidentally sent an email intended for their internal colleague joking about how it’s not worth their time because its just a disabled person. After realising, only then did they actually look into it, although not aware of any real outcome.
That’s what it took for them to take it seriously. Think about that
Until police are held to a *higher standard* than the general public there will always be distrust and resentment. There should be significant and serious punishments for any overstep of their authority and this should be enforced ruthlessly.
For me, the Sarah Everard vigil was an unrecoverable turning point. It was such an egregious example of everything that’s wrong with modern policing; heavy handed, tone deaf, and when criticised they hid behind “wah wah wah policing is very difficult”.
Leave good people the fuck alone and actually work on the things that make people’s lives worse.
Another American import that’s ruining society. The biggest issue with the Police is austerity, they’re understaffed and underfunded
Ever since the police arrested the person who vandalised my wifes car to the point of it being written off – found him passed out in the drivers seat on our driveway – and then did nothing about it “because he hadn’t done anything before”… I have no faith in the police. Fuck them and fuck the system.
2 things I see wrong with the police:
1.) not enough of them / spread too thin
2.) they have a public image problem
Could solve these two by, hiring more police, create a “West Point” style academy for officers that focused on ethics, law and leadership.
End of the day comes down to money, but I think the social good that would come from a well functioning and trusted police force outweigh the cost
Interesting the mention of the Cameron era. My feeling is they have never recovered from that.
Because theirs no reason to trust them
They don’t protect the innocent, that’s not their job, they protect the rich, they protect the ruling class, they arrest protesters because the rich care about them causing too much fuss, a poor person getting murdered is one less deplorable gone to them
The general public simply have NO idea of the realities of Modern Policing, I genuinely can’t stress that enough.
We live in a time where there has never been a more transparent and fair system. If you want to experience actual corruption, abuse of power and heavy handedness please take a one way trip to Africa, china, Russia, India, US, Middle East, even Asia. The UK has no idea how privileged we are in respect to the quality of Policing we get compared to the rest of the world. Sure you can pick out cases like Sarah Everard, I’ll stand with you and condemn them, but how many cases a year are there like this? – how many doctors were struck off last year for similar offences, how many plumbers, how many office workers? – The Media narrative is driving this because it sells newspapers. Nobody cares about Jim the plumber committing a sexual offence, it doesn’t sell, but if you say Jim the Policeman it sells clicks and ad revenue. As a proportion of the population rightly so I would bet that the police will have one of the lowest offending rates of any industry.
I believe it was just recently the MET came out and stated that 70% of the calls responded to we’re not even Crime related. Over the years other services have been cut back so much that the Police are now expected to be a catch all service. Every Friday come 5pm every station in the country will receive the same phone calls. Social services reporting people missing or have concerns for them, no accountability on their part that they haven’t checked on them over the week but as they’re leaving the office suddenly there’s an immediate risk for their safety and the police are now required to send resources to do safe and well checks. God forbid the Police don’t go and the Headline on Monday is Police leave man dying in flat.
People also have a warped expectation from TV about what the police can actually do when solving crimes. This isn’t NCIS, I can’t task satellites to track movements, tap phones, track people through their social media, HD CCTV magically covers every locus and nobody ever wears a mask so my facial recognition camera can catch them.
The general public see large events with lots of Police and think there’s loads of them. On my last shift there were 6 of us, 6.. To cover an area with over 200k people, what do you want or expect us to do? – Do you know if I get a Domestic Assault case I need to do statements, image the injuries, if it’s just one party reporting it it’ll be interviews etc.. – I could be tied up on one domestic case for 5+ hours by the time the suspects solicitor arrives for the interview. Now there’s 4 cops covering 200k people, oh look in comes a group of youths smashing up a shop, that’s your last 4 cops gone.
What do the general public actually expect that’s within the realities of the budget and restraints given?
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What police? I live next to a police station and it literally has drug addicts on the steps. I haven’t seen a police officer in well over a decade, except on TV, or on the side of the motorway watching for speeders.
Sure thing:
***
Hit and run, dashboard camera+witness: *not a police matter*
***
Trim stolen from the car by the employees while parked at Stansted, video footage showing the car with the trim entering car park: *not a police matter*
***
Ex-landlord stealing parcel, postman written description of him, neighbour witnessing: *not a police matter*
***
Teenagers trespassing private property: *not a police matter, take them to court*. How should I when I can’t ID them?
***
And a few others, why do they still exist as institution, as they don’t appear to do anything?
It’s not like America though the biggest problem with UK police isn’t that they’re too heavy handed, it’s that they don’t do ANYTHING 💀
Yep, the Sarah Everard saga was a watershed moment.
That poor woman trusted her life in those who are paid to protect, and instead… yeah.
The government straight up doesn’t care enough.
As somebody currently going through a historic child abuse investigation and on the verge of losing my actual mind… Yep.
Lol that they think it’s hanging by a thread , it’s fucking gone
More like the public’s trust has been found dead in the car park of a west London pub from multiple axe blows to the head and the police have ruled it a suicide
If there one thing that this thread shows, its how little people know about law and the CJS yet think they’re experts.
> “The fundamental principle of policing by consent, upon which our police service is built, is at risk – and it is past time to act.”
Have been saying this for a while now.
Too busy following up on possession of less than .25g of cannabis
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Because they dont do anything. When my friends kid got beat up by a gang of the same age with knives, the police said its a school issue
Police need a major education campaign, show the public the reality of what they do.
They are literally doing hit and runs and getting away with it by claiming amnesia. You can have another officer in the car who won’t say anything until the next day. They’re not even doing the most basic stuff we expect from members of the public
Not helped by the CPS.
They seem to have wildly different expectations for how much the public hates anti-social behaviour in a trial and so won’t recommend charges. Sentencing should also be dramatically increased for anti-social behaviour.
Why would anyone want to be part of the police these days
Paid awfully to deal with the worst of society, meanwhile everyone hates you.
No wonder they only get bad recruits. Look at the job. Good wages? No. Respect from society? No. Enjoyable working environment? No. The only benefit is that you can abuse your power, so your gonna get people that want to do that.
They are heavy handed at peaceful protests, completely absent presence in most working class towns and seemingly booked in numbers to protect VIP’s. I wonder why public opinion is at an all time low? Can’t quite put my finger on it.
There’s a million and one points that could be made on the scandals surrounding police conduct in recent years.
But they key thing, IMO, is that they no longer seem to be making any effort to actually solve any crimes.
Victim of fraud? Try the bank
Burglary? Let your insurance know
Sexual assault? I hope you have video footage or we can’t secure a conviction
What’s the point of the police if they aren’t actually helping to uphold the law?
Much like many things in this country. We are trying to Police in the 21st century, with early 20th century system and set up and a tiny budget.
Death by a thousand cuts, not simply just the police but the surrounding services also.
Not to mention police are a gang. In terms of oversight, they protect each other, and are complicit in overlooking lots of shit that happens in the line of duty. Add to that whistleblowing probably means an end to your career so these problems just remain ever present.
Trust is low and rightfully so.
Apart from the news: harshly arresting middle aged anti monarchy protesters or saying they ‘understand people’s Frustrations’ when members of the public attack just stop oil protestors.
That aside I can’t remember the last time I saw a police officer. Loads of trouble in the town I live, same people all the times. Same bars having illegal lock ins. Same people drunk driving.
Not a damn thing done.
I find the UK’s system utterly bizarre. Defence of property is so strongly limited that it’s essentially outlawed, yet the police will refuse to do anything on your behalf.
If someone walks into my house and takes my TV from in front of me, I’m supposed to let them leave, because “PROPERTY iSN’T WORTh MorE tHAN Human lifE”. If I tell the police that someone stole my TV, they’ll give me a crime number and tell me to claim it on my insurance.
With those odds, why wouldn’t you be a thief?
Knew someone who worked in adult social services. They had a case where a disabled person was getting seriously mishandled and occasionally abused by a care provider, something they legally had to report to the police. So they did.
The police accidentally sent an email intended for their internal colleague joking about how it’s not worth their time because its just a disabled person. After realising, only then did they actually look into it, although not aware of any real outcome.
That’s what it took for them to take it seriously. Think about that
Until police are held to a *higher standard* than the general public there will always be distrust and resentment. There should be significant and serious punishments for any overstep of their authority and this should be enforced ruthlessly.
For me, the Sarah Everard vigil was an unrecoverable turning point. It was such an egregious example of everything that’s wrong with modern policing; heavy handed, tone deaf, and when criticised they hid behind “wah wah wah policing is very difficult”.
Leave good people the fuck alone and actually work on the things that make people’s lives worse.
Another American import that’s ruining society. The biggest issue with the Police is austerity, they’re understaffed and underfunded
Ever since the police arrested the person who vandalised my wifes car to the point of it being written off – found him passed out in the drivers seat on our driveway – and then did nothing about it “because he hadn’t done anything before”… I have no faith in the police. Fuck them and fuck the system.
2 things I see wrong with the police:
1.) not enough of them / spread too thin
2.) they have a public image problem
Could solve these two by, hiring more police, create a “West Point” style academy for officers that focused on ethics, law and leadership.
End of the day comes down to money, but I think the social good that would come from a well functioning and trusted police force outweigh the cost
Interesting the mention of the Cameron era. My feeling is they have never recovered from that.
Because theirs no reason to trust them
They don’t protect the innocent, that’s not their job, they protect the rich, they protect the ruling class, they arrest protesters because the rich care about them causing too much fuss, a poor person getting murdered is one less deplorable gone to them
The general public simply have NO idea of the realities of Modern Policing, I genuinely can’t stress that enough.
We live in a time where there has never been a more transparent and fair system. If you want to experience actual corruption, abuse of power and heavy handedness please take a one way trip to Africa, china, Russia, India, US, Middle East, even Asia. The UK has no idea how privileged we are in respect to the quality of Policing we get compared to the rest of the world. Sure you can pick out cases like Sarah Everard, I’ll stand with you and condemn them, but how many cases a year are there like this? – how many doctors were struck off last year for similar offences, how many plumbers, how many office workers? – The Media narrative is driving this because it sells newspapers. Nobody cares about Jim the plumber committing a sexual offence, it doesn’t sell, but if you say Jim the Policeman it sells clicks and ad revenue. As a proportion of the population rightly so I would bet that the police will have one of the lowest offending rates of any industry.
I believe it was just recently the MET came out and stated that 70% of the calls responded to we’re not even Crime related. Over the years other services have been cut back so much that the Police are now expected to be a catch all service. Every Friday come 5pm every station in the country will receive the same phone calls. Social services reporting people missing or have concerns for them, no accountability on their part that they haven’t checked on them over the week but as they’re leaving the office suddenly there’s an immediate risk for their safety and the police are now required to send resources to do safe and well checks. God forbid the Police don’t go and the Headline on Monday is Police leave man dying in flat.
People also have a warped expectation from TV about what the police can actually do when solving crimes. This isn’t NCIS, I can’t task satellites to track movements, tap phones, track people through their social media, HD CCTV magically covers every locus and nobody ever wears a mask so my facial recognition camera can catch them.
The general public see large events with lots of Police and think there’s loads of them. On my last shift there were 6 of us, 6.. To cover an area with over 200k people, what do you want or expect us to do? – Do you know if I get a Domestic Assault case I need to do statements, image the injuries, if it’s just one party reporting it it’ll be interviews etc.. – I could be tied up on one domestic case for 5+ hours by the time the suspects solicitor arrives for the interview. Now there’s 4 cops covering 200k people, oh look in comes a group of youths smashing up a shop, that’s your last 4 cops gone.
What do the general public actually expect that’s within the realities of the budget and restraints given?
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What police? I live next to a police station and it literally has drug addicts on the steps. I haven’t seen a police officer in well over a decade, except on TV, or on the side of the motorway watching for speeders.
Sure thing:
***
Hit and run, dashboard camera+witness: *not a police matter*
***
Trim stolen from the car by the employees while parked at Stansted, video footage showing the car with the trim entering car park: *not a police matter*
***
Ex-landlord stealing parcel, postman written description of him, neighbour witnessing: *not a police matter*
***
Teenagers trespassing private property: *not a police matter, take them to court*. How should I when I can’t ID them?
***
And a few others, why do they still exist as institution, as they don’t appear to do anything?
It’s not like America though the biggest problem with UK police isn’t that they’re too heavy handed, it’s that they don’t do ANYTHING 💀
Yep, the Sarah Everard saga was a watershed moment.
That poor woman trusted her life in those who are paid to protect, and instead… yeah.
The government straight up doesn’t care enough.
As somebody currently going through a historic child abuse investigation and on the verge of losing my actual mind… Yep.
Lol that they think it’s hanging by a thread , it’s fucking gone
More like the public’s trust has been found dead in the car park of a west London pub from multiple axe blows to the head and the police have ruled it a suicide
If there one thing that this thread shows, its how little people know about law and the CJS yet think they’re experts.
> “The fundamental principle of policing by consent, upon which our police service is built, is at risk – and it is past time to act.”
Have been saying this for a while now.
Too busy following up on possession of less than .25g of cannabis