So her “gotcha” is that Irish people like tourists (who stay temporarily and contribute billions to the economy), but aren’t dancing with joy that we’re annually taking in 120,000 immigrants while only building 24,000 houses, during a housing crisis.
Man, I fucking hate these rich out of touch D4 wankers.
“My fellow Clare people I talked to at the makeshift barriers at both end of the roads to Magowna House Hotel at Inch had no céad míle fáilte for me either, when they heard I was a journalist. I was asked to produce identification for a start, and to give my reasons for being there before I was permitted to walk down what is in fact a public road”
*AaaaH my personal experience, I must exactly be like a foreign person is*
“For whatever reason, to my knowledge, there were no round-the-clock protests over the arrival of Ukrainians into our communities, some of them as small and remote as Inch and Achill.
Why is this?”
The editorial standards at The Irish Times have gone to shit. If any halfwit editor read the passage above, they’d likely remark ‘What about all those protests against Ukrainians in Newbridge?’ rendering the point void.
Ultimately though, the editor must have been less than a halfwit and let the author make a point that largely relies upon her supposed ignorance of an event that was well documented by her own paper.
A decent writer and a decent editor would have made a concerted effort to prove the racism of the protesters by looking into their social media output or seeing if they’re members of any far-right groups rather than ostensibly saying ‘ I don’t see ya doing the same to the white refugees’
> Algeria, Nigeria, Somalia, the Congo, Syria and Afghanistan
Something something toxic masculinity, homophobia, outdated gender expectations etc.
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Today’s news article: hand-wringing over how we are all going to die from obesity or hand-wringing over how welcoming we are? Decisions, decisions.
I think most people here would be much more welcoming and understanding of refugees if we weren’t already struggling to house ourselves, the Irish govt has no right to allow thousands of people to flee from war to homelessness
If we can’t accommodate refugees we shouldn’t be taking them – it’s just cruel to give people false hope like that, like the conditions they have here are horrific and they honestly would probably have had a better time in a country not run by morons who refuse to build apartments and housing for the already existing population, never mind anyone else
Just got let go from a company I’ve been trying to go direct with while at the same time they took on 15 Georgian refugees. How are georgians even refugees? Now agency work is screwd cause contractors are getting tax incentives for taking on refugees
This was written by AI.
Ye I was thinking that whenever I asked these lads where they were from they would get all choked up and say Ukraine. It’s a sad state of affairs
Going by some of the replies here the article is correct.
I sigh with disappointment everytime someone starts with well we should think about ourselves first etc
I am fine with unlimited female and child refugees. I only hate adult men from whatever country.
So we are meant to be happy about being over crowded in literally every sense?
Fucking out of touch posh D4 cunts.
The Irish Times is now just a poor man’s Guardian.
Waffle.
Christ this thread is a mess. I’ll come back at 6ish when most are getting back from work…
Another insight-free hot take from the insufferable IT opinion writers. Add some poor editing, zero fact checking and a large dollop of narcissism and you get what is essentially an extended Instagram caption.
When did this notion that we are extremely welcoming originate from? Is it a historic attitude or something that only has came about in the last 30 or so years? I’d say we are just as welcoming as any other NW European nation. Let’s not use this notion to justify bringing in whoever in any amount without regard for housing.
Essentially 100% of the Ukrainian refugees are women, children and the elderly
Most of the protests against the refugees from elsewhere is due to the fact that they’re largely just young men
There’s no contradiction in our attitude as a nation here
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The biggest issue is the failure of government to deliver badly needed services throughout their tenure and opening the borders to anyone under the guise of refugees fleeing the war in Ukraine. This puts a whole lot more pressure on an under resourced system and devalues the citizens already living here. Don’t forget the EU are paying for each refugee accepted so it’s just east money to them.
What I would like is to get figures on what is the current live voting register as per the last census and what it will be come the next vote. My tinfoil hat wouldn’t put it past this FFG government to manipulate the voting register to give them a majority in the next election. But that may be too far fetched an idea… either way they don’t give a badgers about the people they are supposed to represent.
Swear to god these donkeys haven’t looked at Europe since 2015. Should we just ignore what happened to Sweden and Germany. No offence I wouldn’t like to see any Gernade throwing gangs on our streets
At this point you get the feeling that these articles and most discussion around this particular topic isn’t intended to be *really* discussed. You get the impression it’s more of a lecture about why the bad aspects don’t actually exist and if you think there are issues it’s because you’re a bad person.
I’m sure this entirely reasonable approach won’t have consequences down the line and we’ll be the first people to ever successfully fix 3 crises at one time while integrating a litany of cultures at the same time.
I haven’t read the article but I’d say the reason that Ukrainians haven’t had as many issues is because it’s mainly women and kids?
And they’re obviously harder to spot.
But I think in reality people tend to get more bigoted when times get tougher, or they feel they aren’t getting priority treatment. So they find someone they can blame.
It’s human nature unfortunately, it’s even happening in the USA in Chicago, Black Americans are protesting against refugees being given accommodation in their neighbourhoods.
To be honest it’s cultural differences that are at the core of the bigotry in Ireland.
I worked in a very multicultural environment, customers and staff, and I can say that from observing how people interact, that a lot of misunderstandings come from cultural differences and then that can turn into racism.
What we consider good manners differs to other cultures.
And we have a habit of seeing what other people view as confidence and determination, but to us it’s arrogance and rudeness.
I think when you move too many people from different cultures into what has been a relatively homogeneous society, you’re going to have problems, people are going to clash. It’s human nature.
Ireland was probably more accepting in the past because there wasn’t that many people moving here, and they had to assimilate to fit in, and it’s easier to ignore cultural differences when it’s a handful of people.
Too many people with different moral values and it becomes a threat to your way of life. They form their own communities, and a rift forms.
I’m not saying it’s right, but you see it happening everywhere.
Obviously the housing crisis etc and the way the government mishandled the situation has made things worse.
Anyway this is just my thoughts on the situation, probably idiotic but I often think about peoples motivations, and the reasons they act the way they do.
I think we simplify more complex issues too much, and just label it, without really thinking about what’s actually behind peoples actions.
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I’ve never felt welcome here.
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So her “gotcha” is that Irish people like tourists (who stay temporarily and contribute billions to the economy), but aren’t dancing with joy that we’re annually taking in 120,000 immigrants while only building 24,000 houses, during a housing crisis.
Man, I fucking hate these rich out of touch D4 wankers.
“My fellow Clare people I talked to at the makeshift barriers at both end of the roads to Magowna House Hotel at Inch had no céad míle fáilte for me either, when they heard I was a journalist. I was asked to produce identification for a start, and to give my reasons for being there before I was permitted to walk down what is in fact a public road”
*AaaaH my personal experience, I must exactly be like a foreign person is*
“For whatever reason, to my knowledge, there were no round-the-clock protests over the arrival of Ukrainians into our communities, some of them as small and remote as Inch and Achill.
Why is this?”
The editorial standards at The Irish Times have gone to shit. If any halfwit editor read the passage above, they’d likely remark ‘What about all those protests against Ukrainians in Newbridge?’ rendering the point void.
Ultimately though, the editor must have been less than a halfwit and let the author make a point that largely relies upon her supposed ignorance of an event that was well documented by her own paper.
A decent writer and a decent editor would have made a concerted effort to prove the racism of the protesters by looking into their social media output or seeing if they’re members of any far-right groups rather than ostensibly saying ‘ I don’t see ya doing the same to the white refugees’
> Algeria, Nigeria, Somalia, the Congo, Syria and Afghanistan
Something something toxic masculinity, homophobia, outdated gender expectations etc.
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Today’s news article: hand-wringing over how we are all going to die from obesity or hand-wringing over how welcoming we are? Decisions, decisions.
I think most people here would be much more welcoming and understanding of refugees if we weren’t already struggling to house ourselves, the Irish govt has no right to allow thousands of people to flee from war to homelessness
If we can’t accommodate refugees we shouldn’t be taking them – it’s just cruel to give people false hope like that, like the conditions they have here are horrific and they honestly would probably have had a better time in a country not run by morons who refuse to build apartments and housing for the already existing population, never mind anyone else
Just got let go from a company I’ve been trying to go direct with while at the same time they took on 15 Georgian refugees. How are georgians even refugees? Now agency work is screwd cause contractors are getting tax incentives for taking on refugees
This was written by AI.
Ye I was thinking that whenever I asked these lads where they were from they would get all choked up and say Ukraine. It’s a sad state of affairs
Going by some of the replies here the article is correct.
I sigh with disappointment everytime someone starts with well we should think about ourselves first etc
I am fine with unlimited female and child refugees. I only hate adult men from whatever country.
So we are meant to be happy about being over crowded in literally every sense?
Fucking out of touch posh D4 cunts.
The Irish Times is now just a poor man’s Guardian.
Waffle.
Christ this thread is a mess. I’ll come back at 6ish when most are getting back from work…
Another insight-free hot take from the insufferable IT opinion writers. Add some poor editing, zero fact checking and a large dollop of narcissism and you get what is essentially an extended Instagram caption.
When did this notion that we are extremely welcoming originate from? Is it a historic attitude or something that only has came about in the last 30 or so years? I’d say we are just as welcoming as any other NW European nation. Let’s not use this notion to justify bringing in whoever in any amount without regard for housing.
Essentially 100% of the Ukrainian refugees are women, children and the elderly
Most of the protests against the refugees from elsewhere is due to the fact that they’re largely just young men
There’s no contradiction in our attitude as a nation here
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The biggest issue is the failure of government to deliver badly needed services throughout their tenure and opening the borders to anyone under the guise of refugees fleeing the war in Ukraine. This puts a whole lot more pressure on an under resourced system and devalues the citizens already living here. Don’t forget the EU are paying for each refugee accepted so it’s just east money to them.
What I would like is to get figures on what is the current live voting register as per the last census and what it will be come the next vote. My tinfoil hat wouldn’t put it past this FFG government to manipulate the voting register to give them a majority in the next election. But that may be too far fetched an idea… either way they don’t give a badgers about the people they are supposed to represent.
Swear to god these donkeys haven’t looked at Europe since 2015. Should we just ignore what happened to Sweden and Germany. No offence I wouldn’t like to see any Gernade throwing gangs on our streets
At this point you get the feeling that these articles and most discussion around this particular topic isn’t intended to be *really* discussed. You get the impression it’s more of a lecture about why the bad aspects don’t actually exist and if you think there are issues it’s because you’re a bad person.
I’m sure this entirely reasonable approach won’t have consequences down the line and we’ll be the first people to ever successfully fix 3 crises at one time while integrating a litany of cultures at the same time.
I haven’t read the article but I’d say the reason that Ukrainians haven’t had as many issues is because it’s mainly women and kids?
And they’re obviously harder to spot.
But I think in reality people tend to get more bigoted when times get tougher, or they feel they aren’t getting priority treatment. So they find someone they can blame.
It’s human nature unfortunately, it’s even happening in the USA in Chicago, Black Americans are protesting against refugees being given accommodation in their neighbourhoods.
To be honest it’s cultural differences that are at the core of the bigotry in Ireland.
I worked in a very multicultural environment, customers and staff, and I can say that from observing how people interact, that a lot of misunderstandings come from cultural differences and then that can turn into racism.
What we consider good manners differs to other cultures.
And we have a habit of seeing what other people view as confidence and determination, but to us it’s arrogance and rudeness.
I think when you move too many people from different cultures into what has been a relatively homogeneous society, you’re going to have problems, people are going to clash. It’s human nature.
Ireland was probably more accepting in the past because there wasn’t that many people moving here, and they had to assimilate to fit in, and it’s easier to ignore cultural differences when it’s a handful of people.
Too many people with different moral values and it becomes a threat to your way of life. They form their own communities, and a rift forms.
I’m not saying it’s right, but you see it happening everywhere.
Obviously the housing crisis etc and the way the government mishandled the situation has made things worse.
Anyway this is just my thoughts on the situation, probably idiotic but I often think about peoples motivations, and the reasons they act the way they do.
I think we simplify more complex issues too much, and just label it, without really thinking about what’s actually behind peoples actions.