Does anyone remember when Obama quite explicitly said that if the U.K. left the EU they’d go right to the back of the queue for trade deals and the right went absolutely nuts?
Well.. hate to say he told you so.
More horseshit from the Tories, Obama in 2016:
*”I think it’s fair to say that maybe some point down the line there might be a UK-US trade agreement, but it’s not going to happen any time soon because our focus is in negotiating with a big bloc, the European Union, to get a trade agreement done.”*
Brexit, and all those little shit-gibbons who pushed it, are responsible for no US trade deal, not the ever-popular excuses of Covid and war in Ukraine.
So if you mix up the letters add a few take some away it says Brexit
What would you expect from an out of touch narcissist? Everything to blame but himself.
Well I blame conservatives and their backwards, divisive rhetoric for everything that’s gone wrong in the last 8 years.
Nope.
The failure is due to the fact that the political and social cost of signing a comprehensive trade deal is prohibitive whereas the rewards are minimal. Ironically, these are the same factors that scuttled previous attempts at an EU – USA trade deal.
The cold hard truth is that scrapping further trade barriers is going to be massively unpopular in the USA due to protectionist impulses and in the UK because it will effectively lower social, environmental and health standards. In return , the rewards are going to be marginal. The EU – USA trade deal was projected to contribute fractions of a percentage to median household income even before any of the negative effects on health, jobs, …, were accounted for. In fact, the negative *economic* effects for some sectors are going to be even worse for the UK now because any trade deal with the USA and the corresponding deregulation (de jure or de facto) will make it impossible for its manufacturers and farmers to compete with their USA counterparts in the UK market, while also making it more difficult for them to export to the EU one.
Both the UK and the USA government know this. The only difference is that the latter is in no position to make unpopular moves so doesn’t want to negotiate, whereas the former has lied to its electorate for years about the benefits of Brexit, among which a USA trade deal was touted as a replacement for the EU despite the projected minimal returns not matching the massive losses of leaving the single market. As such, the USA government can state the simple truth that it is not interested, whereas the UK one has to play out their own farce even though almost everyone has seen through it.
In short: any trade deal that can conceivably be negotiated will have so small a scope that it will be meaningless and any comprehensive trade deal that could profit the USA will be politically untenable in the UK. The USA government doesn’t want to waste time on a small scope agreement that is at best a P.R. campaign on behalf of the UK Conservative party. The latter is therefore reduced to performative “deals” (because they aren’t trade agreements but rather non-binding memoranda) with some USA states whose (mostly Republican led) governments can also use them for domestic propaganda campaigns.
That’s not a serious trade policy. It’s just theatre. Mr. Sunak’s statements are simply lies.
Actual meaning:
1. The US were quite serious when they warned about the possibility of a deal during the brexit campaign. Or,
2. The US are demanding so many concessions and agreements to sell out UK business to get lower standards produce from the US, that even the Tories are unwilling to sign.
My money is on 1, personally…
But naw, it’s the pandemic and the Ukraine invasion, for.. y’know, reasons. Good reasons. Big reasons.
Ooh, these are the best reasons you’ve ever heard, if we were willing to tell you them.
What, nothing about Jeremy Corbyn?
Sunak must have forgotten some of his well drilled lines😃
What would happen if a politician just told the truth? Apart from us all falling dead from shock. “No trade deal. Partly because the economy is shit, but mainly the US isn’t interested and also Biden thinks we’re a bunch of tossers.” I’m so tired of spin.
22 Apr 2016 — Barack Obama has warned that the UK would be at the “back of the queue” in any trade deal with the US if the country chose to leave the EU.
Fair play Russia then. Saving us from gutting our standards and poisoning our people with disgusting yank shit.
I’m sure if we were still in the EU we would have been a lot better of. But of course put the blame on something external. Same logic that people who vote for the tories and brexit use. It’s never their fault always someone elses.
Makes a change from blaming Labour / people working from home / public sector pay rises.
Fucking pathetic.
The smaller party usually always makes concessions in trade deals, also since the Brexit vote the UK didn’t know what they wanted other than ‘have their cake and eat it.’ British Politicians through they could play one side against the other between the EU and other parties but that is just bad faith and trade negotiations take time and effort. Also without a strategy on where they want to take the sectors of the economy, trade talks are a bit pointless. Also the stupidity of the British government over the NI protocol, not just once and a few times made the UK look like a bad faith actor. They literally handed the Irish lobby group in the US politicians a stick to beat them with.
The pandemic had no effect on the negotiations with EU so why would it have an effect on US trade talks.
That’s all the tories do, blame others for their own criminal mismanagement and greed.
Post this in r/askanamerican or r/politics and ask them what the US thinks of a US-UK trade deal. There isn’t one because it is of such little benefit to the United States and there’s little public interest in doing so. The US has been pursuing protectionism politically since pretty much Trump won an election with one of his primary talking points being to be tough on trade relationships, a political standpoint that hasn’t gone away in the US. Also many Americans, especially those on the left, are pretty pro-Europe, and see the problems the the UK has from leaving the EU as something that isn’t their problem to deal with.
This govt can’t even own up to a simple failure and instead is still pushing the covid and war excuses. It didn’t stop them from negotiating trade deals with the cptpp, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand.
Poor Rishi Sunak “Damn if he did and damned if he didn’t” … Saying that I still want my Liz Truss back in office … lol …
It’s time for the Tories to spend some time in opposition and ponder over their handiwork over these past 13 years. For good or for worse, Brits want change, and they want it now.
I’m sure it’s got nothing to do with the government being a train wreck.
How fucking weak an excuse is that ? More honest would be to say ‘ I didn’t really ask as I didn’t want to embarrass myself. They’d only say no because the US gives not the single fuck about the UK’
The us want one thing from the uk, unfettered access to the nhs and the removal of a socialised health system so they can swoop in with their insurance companies. It was on the table for ttip, our coming out of the eu prevented it being used as a bargaining chip in 2016.
jfc, nothing is ever the fault of the tories!
It’s the last labour government from 13 years ago, the pandemic, Ukraine, wokerati, tofu eaters, guardian readers, Jeremy Corbyn, leftist bankers, talking-Britain-downers, leftie lawyers, militant unions, small boats, enemy-of-the-people judges and the list goes on and on and on.
I think they need to realise that if the smell of shit follows them everywhere, they’re the ones that stepped in dog shit, or more practically, they’re the shits. 💩
Why did people vote to leave? I’m genuinely curious about the real reasons 🤔
Thank goodness for covid and Putin, without both politicians might have to take accountability for failures.
Any US/UK trade deal, while people tend to focus on produce and meat, would find far more value in services. The problem is the US already has a low barrier to entry to marketing financial, legal, and tech products. So there is very little push from the American side.
Anyway, the chlorinated chicken story I’ve always felt was pushed by farming groups who stand to lose out. Most investigations show that the process has fallen out of favor in the US anyway and is probably at most used in 10% of chicken production.
Whatever you do don’t mention Brexit and the fact that the US president explicitly said that EXACTLY this would happen
Noooo it’s other reasons
No mention of Brexit? lol. Gotta keep the crazies happy.
In fairness he’s blaming covid and Ukraine for anything and everything. Covid has been very useful for him!
I just tried blaming the dirty dishes on the pandemic and the war in Ukraine. Missus isn’t British or a tabloid so I didn’t get away with it.
Genuinely shocked it wasn’t Corbyn in a small boat with the last Labour government that caused the problem.
He’ll blame anything rather than admit the reality of the damage Brexit is causing.
I can’t wait until this government has gone and it’s okay to finally talk honestly about Brexit. It’ll be such a weight off the country. No more pretending and gaslighting.
That being the pandemic and war that were completely impossible to predict when he said he was going to do this in *checks notes* October 2022? You know, 2.5 years into said pandemic, and 8 months into the war?
Surprised he hasnt blamed anything on Gareth Southgate or maybe Philip schofield
I’m so fed up with this government blaming everything and everyone else for their fuck ups and taking absolutely zero responsibility. You are in charge mate, everything that happens to this country is under your watch. Like it or not it’s what you signed up for.
Instalment number 669 in the series “Tories: everybody else’s fault but ours”
Is that the covid that’s apparently completely over, nobody ever catches any more and doesn’t stop anyone doing anything until it somehow conveniently does?
So the clowns jumped in at the forefront of the war against Russia to please the USA but got nothing in return. Russia has already said the UK would be prime target if all out war broke out. What a farce.
The Ukraine war has been a godsend to the Tories. Blame everything on it regardless
The Prime Minister version of the “dog ate my homework”
The Tories just can’t admit their Brexit is a disaster and thus harming the chances of mitigating the damage they have done.
I’m sorry, but the brevity vote was 7 years ago. We officially left the EU 3 years ago. They had 4 years to get shit done, and they haven’t. They’ve just squabbled amongst themselves, thrown each other under the bus, stabbed PMs in the back to benefit their own political careers and lied through their teeth. It’s time they grow the fuck up and admit they’ve fucked it. They’ve never had the interest of the people in mind, and we’re all suffering because of their inadequacy
… and not on Biden saying: “I think we’re good on Branston “pickles” and Tunnock’s Tea Cakes. Do you have anything else you can put on the table?”
Sunak: “AI?
Biden: “Yeah, no…”
UK politics continuing to live in a reality-free zone, I see.
Blame anything but Brexit. The UK was only ever of interest to the US because of Europe.
The man couldn’t change a light bulb without his helicopter.
> Rishi Sunak has refused to accept the government’s failure to strike a trade deal with the US is a “broken promise”, blaming the pandemic and war in Ukraine for the “changing situation”.
Nothing’s changed. We were told we would be back of the queue by Obama ~7 years ago, and that’s exactly where we are.
The UK has very little to offer the US in a trade deal. The UK has never looked so weak. The UK did have hard times before but it joined the EU and had friends in the US. It is very different now. The UK left the EU and has no friends in the US, or in the IMF.
Is this the weakest the UK has been in hundreds of years?
I’m going to start blaming the pandemic and the war in Ukraine for everything going wrong in my life from now on. Missed the train this morning? Damn that pandemic! Didn’t win the Set for Life lottery last Thursday? Damn that war in Ukraine!
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Does anyone remember when Obama quite explicitly said that if the U.K. left the EU they’d go right to the back of the queue for trade deals and the right went absolutely nuts?
Well.. hate to say he told you so.
More horseshit from the Tories, Obama in 2016:
*”I think it’s fair to say that maybe some point down the line there might be a UK-US trade agreement, but it’s not going to happen any time soon because our focus is in negotiating with a big bloc, the European Union, to get a trade agreement done.”*
Brexit, and all those little shit-gibbons who pushed it, are responsible for no US trade deal, not the ever-popular excuses of Covid and war in Ukraine.
So if you mix up the letters add a few take some away it says Brexit
What would you expect from an out of touch narcissist? Everything to blame but himself.
Well I blame conservatives and their backwards, divisive rhetoric for everything that’s gone wrong in the last 8 years.
Nope.
The failure is due to the fact that the political and social cost of signing a comprehensive trade deal is prohibitive whereas the rewards are minimal. Ironically, these are the same factors that scuttled previous attempts at an EU – USA trade deal.
The cold hard truth is that scrapping further trade barriers is going to be massively unpopular in the USA due to protectionist impulses and in the UK because it will effectively lower social, environmental and health standards. In return , the rewards are going to be marginal. The EU – USA trade deal was projected to contribute fractions of a percentage to median household income even before any of the negative effects on health, jobs, …, were accounted for. In fact, the negative *economic* effects for some sectors are going to be even worse for the UK now because any trade deal with the USA and the corresponding deregulation (de jure or de facto) will make it impossible for its manufacturers and farmers to compete with their USA counterparts in the UK market, while also making it more difficult for them to export to the EU one.
Both the UK and the USA government know this. The only difference is that the latter is in no position to make unpopular moves so doesn’t want to negotiate, whereas the former has lied to its electorate for years about the benefits of Brexit, among which a USA trade deal was touted as a replacement for the EU despite the projected minimal returns not matching the massive losses of leaving the single market. As such, the USA government can state the simple truth that it is not interested, whereas the UK one has to play out their own farce even though almost everyone has seen through it.
In short: any trade deal that can conceivably be negotiated will have so small a scope that it will be meaningless and any comprehensive trade deal that could profit the USA will be politically untenable in the UK. The USA government doesn’t want to waste time on a small scope agreement that is at best a P.R. campaign on behalf of the UK Conservative party. The latter is therefore reduced to performative “deals” (because they aren’t trade agreements but rather non-binding memoranda) with some USA states whose (mostly Republican led) governments can also use them for domestic propaganda campaigns.
That’s not a serious trade policy. It’s just theatre. Mr. Sunak’s statements are simply lies.
Actual meaning:
1. The US were quite serious when they warned about the possibility of a deal during the brexit campaign. Or,
2. The US are demanding so many concessions and agreements to sell out UK business to get lower standards produce from the US, that even the Tories are unwilling to sign.
My money is on 1, personally…
But naw, it’s the pandemic and the Ukraine invasion, for.. y’know, reasons. Good reasons. Big reasons.
Ooh, these are the best reasons you’ve ever heard, if we were willing to tell you them.
What, nothing about Jeremy Corbyn?
Sunak must have forgotten some of his well drilled lines😃
What would happen if a politician just told the truth? Apart from us all falling dead from shock. “No trade deal. Partly because the economy is shit, but mainly the US isn’t interested and also Biden thinks we’re a bunch of tossers.” I’m so tired of spin.
22 Apr 2016 — Barack Obama has warned that the UK would be at the “back of the queue” in any trade deal with the US if the country chose to leave the EU.
Fair play Russia then. Saving us from gutting our standards and poisoning our people with disgusting yank shit.
I’m sure if we were still in the EU we would have been a lot better of. But of course put the blame on something external. Same logic that people who vote for the tories and brexit use. It’s never their fault always someone elses.
Makes a change from blaming Labour / people working from home / public sector pay rises.
Fucking pathetic.
The smaller party usually always makes concessions in trade deals, also since the Brexit vote the UK didn’t know what they wanted other than ‘have their cake and eat it.’ British Politicians through they could play one side against the other between the EU and other parties but that is just bad faith and trade negotiations take time and effort. Also without a strategy on where they want to take the sectors of the economy, trade talks are a bit pointless. Also the stupidity of the British government over the NI protocol, not just once and a few times made the UK look like a bad faith actor. They literally handed the Irish lobby group in the US politicians a stick to beat them with.
The pandemic had no effect on the negotiations with EU so why would it have an effect on US trade talks.
That’s all the tories do, blame others for their own criminal mismanagement and greed.
Post this in r/askanamerican or r/politics and ask them what the US thinks of a US-UK trade deal. There isn’t one because it is of such little benefit to the United States and there’s little public interest in doing so. The US has been pursuing protectionism politically since pretty much Trump won an election with one of his primary talking points being to be tough on trade relationships, a political standpoint that hasn’t gone away in the US. Also many Americans, especially those on the left, are pretty pro-Europe, and see the problems the the UK has from leaving the EU as something that isn’t their problem to deal with.
This govt can’t even own up to a simple failure and instead is still pushing the covid and war excuses. It didn’t stop them from negotiating trade deals with the cptpp, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand.
Poor Rishi Sunak “Damn if he did and damned if he didn’t” … Saying that I still want my Liz Truss back in office … lol …
It’s time for the Tories to spend some time in opposition and ponder over their handiwork over these past 13 years. For good or for worse, Brits want change, and they want it now.
I’m sure it’s got nothing to do with the government being a train wreck.
How fucking weak an excuse is that ? More honest would be to say ‘ I didn’t really ask as I didn’t want to embarrass myself. They’d only say no because the US gives not the single fuck about the UK’
The us want one thing from the uk, unfettered access to the nhs and the removal of a socialised health system so they can swoop in with their insurance companies. It was on the table for ttip, our coming out of the eu prevented it being used as a bargaining chip in 2016.
jfc, nothing is ever the fault of the tories!
It’s the last labour government from 13 years ago, the pandemic, Ukraine, wokerati, tofu eaters, guardian readers, Jeremy Corbyn, leftist bankers, talking-Britain-downers, leftie lawyers, militant unions, small boats, enemy-of-the-people judges and the list goes on and on and on.
I think they need to realise that if the smell of shit follows them everywhere, they’re the ones that stepped in dog shit, or more practically, they’re the shits. 💩
Why did people vote to leave? I’m genuinely curious about the real reasons 🤔
Thank goodness for covid and Putin, without both politicians might have to take accountability for failures.
Any US/UK trade deal, while people tend to focus on produce and meat, would find far more value in services. The problem is the US already has a low barrier to entry to marketing financial, legal, and tech products. So there is very little push from the American side.
Anyway, the chlorinated chicken story I’ve always felt was pushed by farming groups who stand to lose out. Most investigations show that the process has fallen out of favor in the US anyway and is probably at most used in 10% of chicken production.
Whatever you do don’t mention Brexit and the fact that the US president explicitly said that EXACTLY this would happen
Noooo it’s other reasons
No mention of Brexit? lol. Gotta keep the crazies happy.
In fairness he’s blaming covid and Ukraine for anything and everything. Covid has been very useful for him!
I just tried blaming the dirty dishes on the pandemic and the war in Ukraine. Missus isn’t British or a tabloid so I didn’t get away with it.
Genuinely shocked it wasn’t Corbyn in a small boat with the last Labour government that caused the problem.
He’ll blame anything rather than admit the reality of the damage Brexit is causing.
I can’t wait until this government has gone and it’s okay to finally talk honestly about Brexit. It’ll be such a weight off the country. No more pretending and gaslighting.
That being the pandemic and war that were completely impossible to predict when he said he was going to do this in *checks notes* October 2022? You know, 2.5 years into said pandemic, and 8 months into the war?
Surprised he hasnt blamed anything on Gareth Southgate or maybe Philip schofield
I’m so fed up with this government blaming everything and everyone else for their fuck ups and taking absolutely zero responsibility. You are in charge mate, everything that happens to this country is under your watch. Like it or not it’s what you signed up for.
Instalment number 669 in the series “Tories: everybody else’s fault but ours”
Is that the covid that’s apparently completely over, nobody ever catches any more and doesn’t stop anyone doing anything until it somehow conveniently does?
So the clowns jumped in at the forefront of the war against Russia to please the USA but got nothing in return. Russia has already said the UK would be prime target if all out war broke out. What a farce.
The Ukraine war has been a godsend to the Tories. Blame everything on it regardless
The Prime Minister version of the “dog ate my homework”
The Tories just can’t admit their Brexit is a disaster and thus harming the chances of mitigating the damage they have done.
I’m sorry, but the brevity vote was 7 years ago. We officially left the EU 3 years ago. They had 4 years to get shit done, and they haven’t. They’ve just squabbled amongst themselves, thrown each other under the bus, stabbed PMs in the back to benefit their own political careers and lied through their teeth. It’s time they grow the fuck up and admit they’ve fucked it. They’ve never had the interest of the people in mind, and we’re all suffering because of their inadequacy
… and not on Biden saying: “I think we’re good on Branston “pickles” and Tunnock’s Tea Cakes. Do you have anything else you can put on the table?”
Sunak: “AI?
Biden: “Yeah, no…”
UK politics continuing to live in a reality-free zone, I see.
Blame anything but Brexit. The UK was only ever of interest to the US because of Europe.
The man couldn’t change a light bulb without his helicopter.
> Rishi Sunak has refused to accept the government’s failure to strike a trade deal with the US is a “broken promise”, blaming the pandemic and war in Ukraine for the “changing situation”.
Nothing’s changed. We were told we would be back of the queue by Obama ~7 years ago, and that’s exactly where we are.
The UK has very little to offer the US in a trade deal. The UK has never looked so weak. The UK did have hard times before but it joined the EU and had friends in the US. It is very different now. The UK left the EU and has no friends in the US, or in the IMF.
Is this the weakest the UK has been in hundreds of years?
I’m going to start blaming the pandemic and the war in Ukraine for everything going wrong in my life from now on. Missed the train this morning? Damn that pandemic! Didn’t win the Set for Life lottery last Thursday? Damn that war in Ukraine!