Broadly good, but only if they keep up active travel investment and public transport gets better too.
Sucks to be one of those people who followed the government’s recommendation to buy a diesel car for environmental reasons, and is now being hit by higher costs because of it.
The science backs this. This is not some spaghetti monster scheme, this makes sense in the eyes of science.
It’s a tax on the poor. If only one could afford to be “green” and buy a new Tesla every 3 years.
Yet those keeping existing cars running are apparently the ones destroying the environment.
We should make car parking charges dynamic so that they change up and down as demand goes up/down
So you pay:
Highher car tax rate because it is more polluting…
(In london) the ULEZ fee…
Not more for parking..
All this while electric vehicles cost a fortune, at home charging stations cost a fortune, the government only recently pushes diesels tax breaks on everybody?
Hybrid used to be free tax, now its not.
They keep moving the goal posts in their constant war on poor people.
Only the higher classes can afford the lowest polluting vehicles, and then they can speed around everywhere in them and park where they like because they dont give a crap about £50-100 ticket.
It is always a poor persons tax, be that no insentive (or good affordable) schemes to get better cars, and if a law’s punishment for breaking it is only a standardised fee (e.g parking and speeding) that is only a crime for poor people.
I’m all for environmentalism, but this is another policy that hits the poorest hardest. Those on low incomes can’t afford posh efficient vehicles, so give them incentives to car share or, god forbid, improve public transport.
What a great idea!! Punish desolate shopping centres with even less custom.
Morons.
Here’s an idea. Instead of punishing people with higher costs they already can’t afford perhaps set up a scheme to allow them to switch from their less environmentally friendly cars?
Typical Tory solution. Don’t help people to overcome the problem just price them out of it.
>A drive to reduce car journeys
You know what would reduce car journeys… letting people work from home instead of forcing them into the office. Maybe charge businesses more for forcing people to use polluting cars to travel to an office so they can sit on teams calls all day with colleagues hundreds of miles away. Instead of taking more money from employees that have fallen foul of bad advice that they were given by official sources.
The people that have the most polluting cars is poor people so this policy is directly targeting people who can’t afford to buy a newer car. Absolutely disgusting and it should be car manufacturers and fuel companies that should be paying for this fucking arse holes.
As always, punishing those with the least means to change their car… It’s ridiculous they are implementing all these things during a massive cost of living crisis. This only needs to be delayed by 3 years, just give us poor bastards time to recover our incomes so we can upgrade our older cars…
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This also impacts those who don’t drive.
The costs on businesses by paying higher ULEZ and parking charges are generally passed on.
Need a plumber, sparky, builder, lift engineer (list goes on), expect a higher bill to compensate for it.
> Of more than 2,900 responses in the consultation, **59% objected to the proposals**. Lambeth has implemented the changes **despite opposition**
Nice bit of democracy there Lambeth, what’s the point of the consultation if you’re going to ignore what people say?
RingGo and other parking apps are set to make a fortune as they take a percentage of parking paid rather than a set fee. Wouldn’t surprise me if they lobbied … Majority objected but still went ahead anyway ..we call china out but now it’s starting to look like a better alternative ffs.
Another poor people tax. We sure do like to shit on the poor, don’t we.
I’ll just continuously chug around in my massive gas guzzler and occasionally idle on double yellows to avoid these extra parking fees.
Checkmate atheists.
>There are now 26 different charges to park for an hour in Lambeth, depending on a car’s tax band and whether there is a diesel surcharge.
Oh bloody hell, they really do have a hard-on for making motorists lives harder.
Typical London Labour nonsense that will inevitably plague the rest of the country with this madness.
It’s a bloody joke.
Tax on the poor. Council ignoring the people that elected them is shameful. What a disgrace.
All cars are polluting, even electric and hybrid due to tyres….I don’t completely agree with ULEZ and other schemes like this this, but I don’t disagree with them either.
I drove a 1 litre ’97 Micra for 20 years, and I could never understand why I was being punished more each year (through road tax) for keeping it on the road.
Surely the carbon emissions are far more for producing new cars every few years, than looking after what we already have.
More money to pay as a disabled person whose family can’t afford a better car.
Inb4 public transport, I guess you guys won’t mind me crawling around the floor with vertigo or puking my guts up when I’m having a bad symptom flare. Yeah I didn’t think so.
Changing buses or trains constantly is not viable for me either as I have limited mobility and I struggle to navigate and understand timetables and maps without help.
Guess disabled people should just get stuffed, as usual. (:
But when a car is parked, it’s not polluting at all.
How about adding the most inefficient burners of fuel to the list?
I think privately owned cars should be stopped all together in towns and cities.. Even electric ones. Idiotic mode of transport. I take trains, cycle and when absolutely necessary ride my GSXR 1000.
Another tax on the poor. Hurrah! And thanks as well, because it’s for my own good right?
Will this money from parking fines actually go towards reducing pollution, or is it just more wealth transfer? I kind of suspect the latter.
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Broadly good, but only if they keep up active travel investment and public transport gets better too.
Sucks to be one of those people who followed the government’s recommendation to buy a diesel car for environmental reasons, and is now being hit by higher costs because of it.
The science backs this. This is not some spaghetti monster scheme, this makes sense in the eyes of science.
It’s a tax on the poor. If only one could afford to be “green” and buy a new Tesla every 3 years.
Yet those keeping existing cars running are apparently the ones destroying the environment.
We should make car parking charges dynamic so that they change up and down as demand goes up/down
So you pay:
Highher car tax rate because it is more polluting…
(In london) the ULEZ fee…
Not more for parking..
All this while electric vehicles cost a fortune, at home charging stations cost a fortune, the government only recently pushes diesels tax breaks on everybody?
Hybrid used to be free tax, now its not.
They keep moving the goal posts in their constant war on poor people.
Only the higher classes can afford the lowest polluting vehicles, and then they can speed around everywhere in them and park where they like because they dont give a crap about £50-100 ticket.
It is always a poor persons tax, be that no insentive (or good affordable) schemes to get better cars, and if a law’s punishment for breaking it is only a standardised fee (e.g parking and speeding) that is only a crime for poor people.
I’m all for environmentalism, but this is another policy that hits the poorest hardest. Those on low incomes can’t afford posh efficient vehicles, so give them incentives to car share or, god forbid, improve public transport.
What a great idea!! Punish desolate shopping centres with even less custom.
Morons.
Here’s an idea. Instead of punishing people with higher costs they already can’t afford perhaps set up a scheme to allow them to switch from their less environmentally friendly cars?
Typical Tory solution. Don’t help people to overcome the problem just price them out of it.
>A drive to reduce car journeys
You know what would reduce car journeys… letting people work from home instead of forcing them into the office. Maybe charge businesses more for forcing people to use polluting cars to travel to an office so they can sit on teams calls all day with colleagues hundreds of miles away. Instead of taking more money from employees that have fallen foul of bad advice that they were given by official sources.
The people that have the most polluting cars is poor people so this policy is directly targeting people who can’t afford to buy a newer car. Absolutely disgusting and it should be car manufacturers and fuel companies that should be paying for this fucking arse holes.
As always, punishing those with the least means to change their car… It’s ridiculous they are implementing all these things during a massive cost of living crisis. This only needs to be delayed by 3 years, just give us poor bastards time to recover our incomes so we can upgrade our older cars…
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This also impacts those who don’t drive.
The costs on businesses by paying higher ULEZ and parking charges are generally passed on.
Need a plumber, sparky, builder, lift engineer (list goes on), expect a higher bill to compensate for it.
> Of more than 2,900 responses in the consultation, **59% objected to the proposals**. Lambeth has implemented the changes **despite opposition**
Nice bit of democracy there Lambeth, what’s the point of the consultation if you’re going to ignore what people say?
RingGo and other parking apps are set to make a fortune as they take a percentage of parking paid rather than a set fee. Wouldn’t surprise me if they lobbied … Majority objected but still went ahead anyway ..we call china out but now it’s starting to look like a better alternative ffs.
Another poor people tax. We sure do like to shit on the poor, don’t we.
I’ll just continuously chug around in my massive gas guzzler and occasionally idle on double yellows to avoid these extra parking fees.
Checkmate atheists.
>There are now 26 different charges to park for an hour in Lambeth, depending on a car’s tax band and whether there is a diesel surcharge.
Oh bloody hell, they really do have a hard-on for making motorists lives harder.
Typical London Labour nonsense that will inevitably plague the rest of the country with this madness.
It’s a bloody joke.
Tax on the poor. Council ignoring the people that elected them is shameful. What a disgrace.
All cars are polluting, even electric and hybrid due to tyres….I don’t completely agree with ULEZ and other schemes like this this, but I don’t disagree with them either.
I drove a 1 litre ’97 Micra for 20 years, and I could never understand why I was being punished more each year (through road tax) for keeping it on the road.
Surely the carbon emissions are far more for producing new cars every few years, than looking after what we already have.
More money to pay as a disabled person whose family can’t afford a better car.
Inb4 public transport, I guess you guys won’t mind me crawling around the floor with vertigo or puking my guts up when I’m having a bad symptom flare. Yeah I didn’t think so.
Changing buses or trains constantly is not viable for me either as I have limited mobility and I struggle to navigate and understand timetables and maps without help.
Guess disabled people should just get stuffed, as usual. (:
But when a car is parked, it’s not polluting at all.
How about adding the most inefficient burners of fuel to the list?
I think privately owned cars should be stopped all together in towns and cities.. Even electric ones. Idiotic mode of transport. I take trains, cycle and when absolutely necessary ride my GSXR 1000.
Another tax on the poor. Hurrah! And thanks as well, because it’s for my own good right?
Will this money from parking fines actually go towards reducing pollution, or is it just more wealth transfer? I kind of suspect the latter.