>”If a teenager starts smoking cigarettes, probably the worst that’s going to happen to them is they’re going to be sick and throw up behind the bike shed.
That’s not what it says on the packet.
We still don’t know how e cigs affect the body over a prolonged period. We know cigarettes blacken the lungs, age your skin and cause cancer but e cigs are different as they have only been about 5+ years. They will be carving long term e cigs users up in 40+ years and finding all sorts of detrimental effects to health.
Sad story on the girl in question… feels like some more research is needed. Apparently no reported deaths from vaping, but that one sounds like a candidate.
(Edit: imagine being so addicted to a product that you’d downvote a comment that suggested we do more research to make sure it’s safe…)
unless yours is prescribed to you by a GP, and picked up from a pharmacists, we should either remove them from sale, or tax them like cigarettes.
Tldr: I’ve been smoking since i was 13…when tf do I get to clap out this shit world
What sort of parent are you if you’re allowing a primary school aged kid to vape.
More right wing crap. If primary school children are ending up in hospital, there bigger issues going on in their lives.
Just ban disposable vapes. They are an environmental disaster aside from everything else.
I’m shocked I tell you. Why didn’t some extremely cleverer person than the rest of the merely common sensical population foresee this?
This article contains some shocking reporting about the 18 year old who died due to bilateral spontaneous pneumothorax. The article heavily implies that vaping was the primary cause of death, a claim that is not at all backed up by current evidence. There are case reports of people who vape developing pneumothorax but there is no good quality evidence showing increased risk or any causal link. Case reports are not in any way evidence of a link and here share the problems of, for example, the infamous case series on the link between the MMR vaccine and autism, the primary issue being that both are fairly common, and it would be entirely unsurprising to find reasonable numbers of vapers who develop pneumothorax even if there were no link at all between them. Vaping may well turn out to be a risk factor for developing pneumothorax, smoking certainly is, but even in a young smoker with normal lungs it would be unreasonable to say the pneumothorax is *caused* by smoking, smoking is one of *many* risk factors and not known to be the underlying cause for the formation of blebs, which also happens fairly commonly in non smokers.
The article also includes a claim from Professor Bush that he has never seen a case of double lung collapse in an otherwise healthy person. I hope he has been misquoted here because otherwise his implication that young healthy people do not develop bilateral pneumothoraces is ridiculous. It is possible he is being very literal in that he has not personally seen a patient with it but if he is then he’s being intentionally misleading. Bilateral pneumothoraces in otherwise healthy people is a well reported, although uncommon, thing. Any search of the literature from Professor Bush would show him multiple case reports of just such a thing as well as the estimation that 1-2% of spontaneous pneumothoraces are bilateral.
It’s unusual to die from it, but if you look at the actual case she had symptoms for *months* without being correctly diagnosed. This is the actual issue in that case, why she had symptoms for so long without a correct diagnosis.
Why can’t the govt just ban this shit? Even WHO says vaping is hazardous
Knee jerk scare mongering bullshit.
I 100% support getting rid of throw away vapes but this is not a vaping problem. It’s a parenting problem.
” My child died because they used 100’s of cheap disposable vapes a week!”
No, they died because you are a negligent parent.
This is the new video games make you a murderer or D&D makes you a Satan worshiper.
Makes me so cross.
My sister has tons of vapes. My parents called her down a few months ago because my mum literally found a sack full of used vapes in her room. She said she swore she’d stop but I know she hasn’t.
I think we need to teach children that they need to buy 4 cans of Stella when they buy their vapes.
They they will be just fine.
Just ban the disposable ones already…make a nicotine tax as high as you can…also just fund a big campaign of footballers, pop stars, Korean pop stars and whoever else is popular saying ‘you’re an absolute loser if you vape’
Just ban flavours. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the original point of vaping and E-cigs to help people stop smoking real cigarettes anyway? If it tasted like what they were actually smoking instead of tasting really good, this would be so much less of a problem. Now people that never smoked in their lives are taking up vaping, and the excessive selection of flavours and flashy marketing (something we don’t let tobacco and cigarette companies do anymore) is not helping at all.
I know exactly how kids nowadays end up doing this sort of thing, I got seriously ill once after scoffing one too many Sherbet Fountains, they’re so addictive, took me all weekend to recover.
We need to do averything we can to stop this, except blame the parents.
Address the issue? Nah! Let’s keep saying “it was exactly the same with smoking when I was a teenager.”
Just tax them at around 15% plus £3 that’ll roughly double the retail price and start putting out of the range of bairns.
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>”If a teenager starts smoking cigarettes, probably the worst that’s going to happen to them is they’re going to be sick and throw up behind the bike shed.
That’s not what it says on the packet.
We still don’t know how e cigs affect the body over a prolonged period. We know cigarettes blacken the lungs, age your skin and cause cancer but e cigs are different as they have only been about 5+ years. They will be carving long term e cigs users up in 40+ years and finding all sorts of detrimental effects to health.
Sad story on the girl in question… feels like some more research is needed. Apparently no reported deaths from vaping, but that one sounds like a candidate.
(Edit: imagine being so addicted to a product that you’d downvote a comment that suggested we do more research to make sure it’s safe…)
unless yours is prescribed to you by a GP, and picked up from a pharmacists, we should either remove them from sale, or tax them like cigarettes.
Tldr: I’ve been smoking since i was 13…when tf do I get to clap out this shit world
What sort of parent are you if you’re allowing a primary school aged kid to vape.
More right wing crap. If primary school children are ending up in hospital, there bigger issues going on in their lives.
Just ban disposable vapes. They are an environmental disaster aside from everything else.
I’m shocked I tell you. Why didn’t some extremely cleverer person than the rest of the merely common sensical population foresee this?
This article contains some shocking reporting about the 18 year old who died due to bilateral spontaneous pneumothorax. The article heavily implies that vaping was the primary cause of death, a claim that is not at all backed up by current evidence. There are case reports of people who vape developing pneumothorax but there is no good quality evidence showing increased risk or any causal link. Case reports are not in any way evidence of a link and here share the problems of, for example, the infamous case series on the link between the MMR vaccine and autism, the primary issue being that both are fairly common, and it would be entirely unsurprising to find reasonable numbers of vapers who develop pneumothorax even if there were no link at all between them. Vaping may well turn out to be a risk factor for developing pneumothorax, smoking certainly is, but even in a young smoker with normal lungs it would be unreasonable to say the pneumothorax is *caused* by smoking, smoking is one of *many* risk factors and not known to be the underlying cause for the formation of blebs, which also happens fairly commonly in non smokers.
The article also includes a claim from Professor Bush that he has never seen a case of double lung collapse in an otherwise healthy person. I hope he has been misquoted here because otherwise his implication that young healthy people do not develop bilateral pneumothoraces is ridiculous. It is possible he is being very literal in that he has not personally seen a patient with it but if he is then he’s being intentionally misleading. Bilateral pneumothoraces in otherwise healthy people is a well reported, although uncommon, thing. Any search of the literature from Professor Bush would show him multiple case reports of just such a thing as well as the estimation that 1-2% of spontaneous pneumothoraces are bilateral.
It’s unusual to die from it, but if you look at the actual case she had symptoms for *months* without being correctly diagnosed. This is the actual issue in that case, why she had symptoms for so long without a correct diagnosis.
Why can’t the govt just ban this shit? Even WHO says vaping is hazardous
Knee jerk scare mongering bullshit.
I 100% support getting rid of throw away vapes but this is not a vaping problem. It’s a parenting problem.
” My child died because they used 100’s of cheap disposable vapes a week!”
No, they died because you are a negligent parent.
This is the new video games make you a murderer or D&D makes you a Satan worshiper.
Makes me so cross.
My sister has tons of vapes. My parents called her down a few months ago because my mum literally found a sack full of used vapes in her room. She said she swore she’d stop but I know she hasn’t.
I think we need to teach children that they need to buy 4 cans of Stella when they buy their vapes.
They they will be just fine.
Just ban the disposable ones already…make a nicotine tax as high as you can…also just fund a big campaign of footballers, pop stars, Korean pop stars and whoever else is popular saying ‘you’re an absolute loser if you vape’
Just ban flavours. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the original point of vaping and E-cigs to help people stop smoking real cigarettes anyway? If it tasted like what they were actually smoking instead of tasting really good, this would be so much less of a problem. Now people that never smoked in their lives are taking up vaping, and the excessive selection of flavours and flashy marketing (something we don’t let tobacco and cigarette companies do anymore) is not helping at all.
I know exactly how kids nowadays end up doing this sort of thing, I got seriously ill once after scoffing one too many Sherbet Fountains, they’re so addictive, took me all weekend to recover.
We need to do averything we can to stop this, except blame the parents.
Address the issue? Nah! Let’s keep saying “it was exactly the same with smoking when I was a teenager.”
Just tax them at around 15% plus £3 that’ll roughly double the retail price and start putting out of the range of bairns.