I suppose when a job draws on generally “tougher” people you’re bound to get louts in the group. Add to that the fact that there must be a fairly strong crossover between seaside towns with RNLI stations and seaside towns with low economic status (trying to be delicate) due to the way tourism and industry have changed in this country.
What a shame that saving lives isn’t enough.
What an unrealistic t..t. you are going on a ship in some rough seas, good intentions have a value of below 0. If you make mistakes, you die or other people die, or both so… tensions are high. It is not about you and your feelings, you need to be alive to have feelings.
The job draws tougher people because it is a tough environment with hard consequences if you mess up. If they will like you, they will like you in the pub when you return, while you are there… as they say in Zen Buddhism – You are only a success while you perform a successful task, when you don’t … I think there are a lot of words that those people will use to express their displeasure.
I think you’d be hard pressed to find any male dominated industry that’s much different tbh.
Not trying to dismiss this but. Real question.
It’s it really this bad that it is everywhere or are things being blown out of proportion or are we including any tiny thing said as sexism these days?
I would suggest this alongside firemen (when they’re deployed which is 1% and 5% of 999 calls respectively) requires a rather physical ability and level of strength.
When I have been to a gym I don’t see college professors there, I see brick layers and plasterers – still in their work clothes often (a portion of whom go on to be firemen from what I have seen in the car parks for their 4 days off when not attending 5% of the 999 calls).
With this comes the sweeping statement of an old anecdotal saying “thick in the arm, thick in the head”. I highly doubt many of the RNLI heroes (and that they most certainly are) would be reasonably or even highly educated in general, let alone in such matters of equality, they may have had a brief introduction to leadership models but sociology… probably not so much beyond “be nice to everyone because we said so” (which again is subjective as to what each person feels is nice on any given day).
In male dominated environments it’s well known that men have banter with each other and take the piss just as much with each other at any little given opportunity, whilst I’m most certain there are sexist individuals just as there are sexist females towards men (see misandrism), I highly doubt it is en mass.
I have seen work places almost grind to a halt in terms of being able to enjoy work and have a laugh with your colleagues, it’s quite sad, I’m sure management absolutely love it though, more work work work done rather than enjoying yourselves. Due to that one person having a cob on that day (or 1 week in 4) as you pull a prank on the “wrong day” and you end up in front of HR which everyone then sees and all the fun is gone forever, almost no malice in any of it, everyone being butt hurt all the time. I thoroughly enjoy some banter at work.
Page 7 usually brings up interesting comments in relation to equality.
Doesn’t say much in the article besides being screamed at and called a bitch. I work offshore on workboats and it’s a heavily male dominated industry. Getting shouted at especially in an emergency situation when everyone is stressed is pretty normal whether you’re a man or a woman.
Most of the time once everything calms down it’s all forgotten about unless there is some animosity between crew members and then there’s arguments and carry on.
If she wasn’t liked by the crew then I can see where this shouting and being called a bitch may be seen as bullying and screaming as you would take it personally. I know I would if someone who I knew didn’t like me was screaming at me.
I don’t know the full story but I wouldn’t put this straight down to sexism and misogyny.
I’ve only worked with 3 women in the past offshore. 2 of them were treated with more respect than other men as the blokes didn’t want to say anything that might offend them. 1 of them was not liked and was called a bitch a few times in arguments.
The difference between them. The 2 who were treated well worked hard, could be relied upon and did their jobs. The one who wasn’t was lazy and generally shit at her job. She got the same treatment as any man who worked on board who was useless. Generally ignored and made to feel an outcast in the hope they would leave.
No one wants to have to pick up the slack of someone for 3-4 weeks straight working while also living with them as well when you can’t get away from them.
Not saying this is the case here but even in a male dominated industry I’ve seen women get the same respect as men if they’re reliable.
> include dozens of reports of misogyny and sexist bullying among the organisation’s 35,000 volunteers.
Would be nice to have an exact figure but we’re probably talking about < 0.1% of these people being accused of sexism and bullying.
Not one example used in this article – absolutely terrible journalism
Well they probably feel they can’t say no….because of the implication
Them bitches need to stop being horrible to each other. I’m all for equality and promoting mixed crews
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I suppose when a job draws on generally “tougher” people you’re bound to get louts in the group. Add to that the fact that there must be a fairly strong crossover between seaside towns with RNLI stations and seaside towns with low economic status (trying to be delicate) due to the way tourism and industry have changed in this country.
What a shame that saving lives isn’t enough.
What an unrealistic t..t. you are going on a ship in some rough seas, good intentions have a value of below 0. If you make mistakes, you die or other people die, or both so… tensions are high. It is not about you and your feelings, you need to be alive to have feelings.
The job draws tougher people because it is a tough environment with hard consequences if you mess up. If they will like you, they will like you in the pub when you return, while you are there… as they say in Zen Buddhism – You are only a success while you perform a successful task, when you don’t … I think there are a lot of words that those people will use to express their displeasure.
I think you’d be hard pressed to find any male dominated industry that’s much different tbh.
Not trying to dismiss this but. Real question.
It’s it really this bad that it is everywhere or are things being blown out of proportion or are we including any tiny thing said as sexism these days?
I would suggest this alongside firemen (when they’re deployed which is 1% and 5% of 999 calls respectively) requires a rather physical ability and level of strength.
When I have been to a gym I don’t see college professors there, I see brick layers and plasterers – still in their work clothes often (a portion of whom go on to be firemen from what I have seen in the car parks for their 4 days off when not attending 5% of the 999 calls).
With this comes the sweeping statement of an old anecdotal saying “thick in the arm, thick in the head”. I highly doubt many of the RNLI heroes (and that they most certainly are) would be reasonably or even highly educated in general, let alone in such matters of equality, they may have had a brief introduction to leadership models but sociology… probably not so much beyond “be nice to everyone because we said so” (which again is subjective as to what each person feels is nice on any given day).
In male dominated environments it’s well known that men have banter with each other and take the piss just as much with each other at any little given opportunity, whilst I’m most certain there are sexist individuals just as there are sexist females towards men (see misandrism), I highly doubt it is en mass.
I have seen work places almost grind to a halt in terms of being able to enjoy work and have a laugh with your colleagues, it’s quite sad, I’m sure management absolutely love it though, more work work work done rather than enjoying yourselves. Due to that one person having a cob on that day (or 1 week in 4) as you pull a prank on the “wrong day” and you end up in front of HR which everyone then sees and all the fun is gone forever, almost no malice in any of it, everyone being butt hurt all the time. I thoroughly enjoy some banter at work.
https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg143.PDF
Page 7 usually brings up interesting comments in relation to equality.
Doesn’t say much in the article besides being screamed at and called a bitch. I work offshore on workboats and it’s a heavily male dominated industry. Getting shouted at especially in an emergency situation when everyone is stressed is pretty normal whether you’re a man or a woman.
Most of the time once everything calms down it’s all forgotten about unless there is some animosity between crew members and then there’s arguments and carry on.
If she wasn’t liked by the crew then I can see where this shouting and being called a bitch may be seen as bullying and screaming as you would take it personally. I know I would if someone who I knew didn’t like me was screaming at me.
I don’t know the full story but I wouldn’t put this straight down to sexism and misogyny.
I’ve only worked with 3 women in the past offshore. 2 of them were treated with more respect than other men as the blokes didn’t want to say anything that might offend them. 1 of them was not liked and was called a bitch a few times in arguments.
The difference between them. The 2 who were treated well worked hard, could be relied upon and did their jobs. The one who wasn’t was lazy and generally shit at her job. She got the same treatment as any man who worked on board who was useless. Generally ignored and made to feel an outcast in the hope they would leave.
No one wants to have to pick up the slack of someone for 3-4 weeks straight working while also living with them as well when you can’t get away from them.
Not saying this is the case here but even in a male dominated industry I’ve seen women get the same respect as men if they’re reliable.
> include dozens of reports of misogyny and sexist bullying among the organisation’s 35,000 volunteers.
Would be nice to have an exact figure but we’re probably talking about < 0.1% of these people being accused of sexism and bullying.
Not one example used in this article – absolutely terrible journalism
Well they probably feel they can’t say no….because of the implication
Them bitches need to stop being horrible to each other. I’m all for equality and promoting mixed crews