Yeah, it is very hard to sympathise with rioters and looters.
Lol.
Lmao, even.
to quote
“The anger is being focused against everything the republic stands for – which is ultimately the democratic ideal of “liberty, equality and fraternity”. The reason is that a large part of the marginalised population in the banlieues feel this ideal doesn’t apply to them, or that quite simply it is a lie.”
Ha, still preaching to others I see france. Are your offices even open in these trying times or were these just packed and ready to go ahead of time?
From the moment they are born, they are told that religious laws are above country laws, hard to give any senses of authority to them when it start like that. You even have Algeria who gave a statement telling French Authority to treat their citizen better (even Iran just fucking tried to lecture us on how to treat people lmao), like they treat French 2nd/3rd/4th and so on generation as their own. How do you want these kids to feel French or integrated when even Algeria consider them their own.
So races aren’t interchangeable after all.
This is precisely the problem. Too many people in the suburbs think they are above the law and that laws against looting and burning down public Infrastructure don’t apply to them. They like the fraternity bit of free public education social welfare (which applies particularly to them ) but are not so fond of the liberty from religion or the equality of the genders ideals. But you don’t just get to pick and chose which ideals you want to keep by burning looting and mayhem.
Shockingly it’s very rarely the Vietnamese or the Armenians or the poles and Colombians burning down schools.
they only understand power and force, that’s why all the countries they come from are dictatorships
Europe must wake up
Vive la France ! Get that Bastille ! Don’t back down ! That is the true founding ideals in 1789 !
Burning your own neighborhood has nothing to do with “founding ideas”, is just plain dumb.
I can’t help but think that these people are indeed not very smart because they lost a big leverage they used to have – anonymity. Make no mistake, these rioters are the same “black blocks” that burn and break different things during basically any protest, only that during the protests they mingle with “legitimate protesters” and are therfore very hard to apprehend.
This time around they’re alone, they don’t have tens of thousands of people to mingle with (and at the same time the police presence is pretty impressive), so more than 1300 of them have been arrested in the past few days. Not only this, but the government is starting to focus more on social media and the way the rioters use it. So these rioters brought themselves to light, showing the world who they are, where they come from, how they operate, etc. I wouldn’t be surprised if the “black block” activity drops during the next protests.
Atleast France doesnt have race problem like America, as they say.
The problem is you can’t make people conform to your ideals or values if they don’t believe in them. It’s the responsibility of the parents to teach their children the same values the schools are teaching.
we don’t need to send them back, criminality must be punished. there is a sense off lawlessnes because they seem to get away with crime way too easily. build some prisons and give out concequences
There is a way to control this situation so the future generations could live peacefully in France and Europe. Without gang rapes and aklahuu akbarrrrru. But when I suggest it, they call me being a racist. LMAO.
French did much worse stuff in the colonies when they ruled them. Some of the stuff the French did in Colonial France makes Nazi atrocities **in France** look pale by comparison.
They literally ran concentration camps in Algeria **after** World War 2 (although to be fair to them, Brits did the same thing in Kenya, so they were not bucking the trend so much).
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No easy solution.
The descendents of immigrants have nowhere else to go. Would it help if cultural concessions were made, so they feels like strangers. Give religious councils some athority to prosecute punish bliver who step out line. Forbid the sale of alcohol, pork and other Haram foods and drink in muslim majority areas? So as to give them a sense of control over their lives and communities.
The USA for all its flaws has succeded to greater degree at Intergrating immigrants than Europe. Perhaps we need to copy the american approach which is strict immugration laws, but letting each ethinic community mostly in peace to sort itself out as best they can.
We got do something because these kinds of riots are only going to get worse. Not just in France but in every european country.
Interesting to note, since “suburb” is used in article headline is the fact suburb and French *banlieue* are used interchangeably in some languages, denoting planned residential areas at outer edges of an urban area whilst one denoting privilege while other denoting lack of it.
Where in one setting decaying city core is the “slum” while surrounding areas are where privilege and wealth reside while in the other setting downtown is held in high regard and less fortunate are pushed to outskirts, to be warehoused away from sight and mind.
yet again France will serve as the lynchpin and laboratory of future Europe. There’s nothing unique about this situation really, the French Revolution also saw massive ethnic and religious civil conflicts which were far bloodier and more destructive, ie the Vendee. Either they forcefully integrate marginalised populations into the social body of a revitalised republic or they take a much darker path which would lead the continent into another era of absolute shame and degradation.
So … go?
Who would have thought that allowing into your country a lot of people from different cultures that have different values and different understanding of what is right and what is wrong, could create problems. I mean, how could we know that it’s not something you can just talk out to smooth out any problems like in a Disney movie.
Alas, the only people that could warn us about it were automatically labeled fascist and evil right-wingers and we will not listen to fascists so truly a tragic situation which could not be avoided in any way.
But hey, at least French national football team has Mbappé and such.
“In the suburbs, too many feel France’s founding ideals don’t apply to them”.
“”””Too many””””. The problem dictates the solution and it ain’t Allah.
The amount of racism in this thread is unbelievable
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Yeah, it is very hard to sympathise with rioters and looters.
Lol.
Lmao, even.
to quote
“The anger is being focused against everything the republic stands for – which is ultimately the democratic ideal of “liberty, equality and fraternity”. The reason is that a large part of the marginalised population in the banlieues feel this ideal doesn’t apply to them, or that quite simply it is a lie.”
Ha, still preaching to others I see france. Are your offices even open in these trying times or were these just packed and ready to go ahead of time?
https://www.france24.com/en/video/20230629-india-islamophobia-muslims-fear-rise-of-religious-hatred-during-eid-celebrations
From the moment they are born, they are told that religious laws are above country laws, hard to give any senses of authority to them when it start like that. You even have Algeria who gave a statement telling French Authority to treat their citizen better (even Iran just fucking tried to lecture us on how to treat people lmao), like they treat French 2nd/3rd/4th and so on generation as their own. How do you want these kids to feel French or integrated when even Algeria consider them their own.
So races aren’t interchangeable after all.
This is precisely the problem. Too many people in the suburbs think they are above the law and that laws against looting and burning down public Infrastructure don’t apply to them. They like the fraternity bit of free public education social welfare (which applies particularly to them ) but are not so fond of the liberty from religion or the equality of the genders ideals. But you don’t just get to pick and chose which ideals you want to keep by burning looting and mayhem.
Shockingly it’s very rarely the Vietnamese or the Armenians or the poles and Colombians burning down schools.
they only understand power and force, that’s why all the countries they come from are dictatorships
Europe must wake up
Vive la France ! Get that Bastille ! Don’t back down ! That is the true founding ideals in 1789 !
Burning your own neighborhood has nothing to do with “founding ideas”, is just plain dumb.
I can’t help but think that these people are indeed not very smart because they lost a big leverage they used to have – anonymity. Make no mistake, these rioters are the same “black blocks” that burn and break different things during basically any protest, only that during the protests they mingle with “legitimate protesters” and are therfore very hard to apprehend.
This time around they’re alone, they don’t have tens of thousands of people to mingle with (and at the same time the police presence is pretty impressive), so more than 1300 of them have been arrested in the past few days. Not only this, but the government is starting to focus more on social media and the way the rioters use it. So these rioters brought themselves to light, showing the world who they are, where they come from, how they operate, etc. I wouldn’t be surprised if the “black block” activity drops during the next protests.
Atleast France doesnt have race problem like America, as they say.
The problem is you can’t make people conform to your ideals or values if they don’t believe in them. It’s the responsibility of the parents to teach their children the same values the schools are teaching.
we don’t need to send them back, criminality must be punished. there is a sense off lawlessnes because they seem to get away with crime way too easily. build some prisons and give out concequences
There is a way to control this situation so the future generations could live peacefully in France and Europe. Without gang rapes and aklahuu akbarrrrru. But when I suggest it, they call me being a racist. LMAO.
French did much worse stuff in the colonies when they ruled them. Some of the stuff the French did in Colonial France makes Nazi atrocities **in France** look pale by comparison.
They literally ran concentration camps in Algeria **after** World War 2 (although to be fair to them, Brits did the same thing in Kenya, so they were not bucking the trend so much).
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No easy solution.
The descendents of immigrants have nowhere else to go. Would it help if cultural concessions were made, so they feels like strangers. Give religious councils some athority to prosecute punish bliver who step out line. Forbid the sale of alcohol, pork and other Haram foods and drink in muslim majority areas? So as to give them a sense of control over their lives and communities.
The USA for all its flaws has succeded to greater degree at Intergrating immigrants than Europe. Perhaps we need to copy the american approach which is strict immugration laws, but letting each ethinic community mostly in peace to sort itself out as best they can.
We got do something because these kinds of riots are only going to get worse. Not just in France but in every european country.
Interesting to note, since “suburb” is used in article headline is the fact suburb and French *banlieue* are used interchangeably in some languages, denoting planned residential areas at outer edges of an urban area whilst one denoting privilege while other denoting lack of it.
Where in one setting decaying city core is the “slum” while surrounding areas are where privilege and wealth reside while in the other setting downtown is held in high regard and less fortunate are pushed to outskirts, to be warehoused away from sight and mind.
yet again France will serve as the lynchpin and laboratory of future Europe. There’s nothing unique about this situation really, the French Revolution also saw massive ethnic and religious civil conflicts which were far bloodier and more destructive, ie the Vendee. Either they forcefully integrate marginalised populations into the social body of a revitalised republic or they take a much darker path which would lead the continent into another era of absolute shame and degradation.
So … go?
Who would have thought that allowing into your country a lot of people from different cultures that have different values and different understanding of what is right and what is wrong, could create problems. I mean, how could we know that it’s not something you can just talk out to smooth out any problems like in a Disney movie.
Alas, the only people that could warn us about it were automatically labeled fascist and evil right-wingers and we will not listen to fascists so truly a tragic situation which could not be avoided in any way.
But hey, at least French national football team has Mbappé and such.
“In the suburbs, too many feel France’s founding ideals don’t apply to them”.
“”””Too many””””. The problem dictates the solution and it ain’t Allah.
The amount of racism in this thread is unbelievable
Yet let them in.