His argument that pride has gotten caught up in more political stuff in recent years isn’t miles off. Companies celebrate it more and more for virtue signalling purposes instead of meaningfully these days.
Its a shame internal policies on sensitive issues should be leaked to the national newspaper without all parties having their say first. Wonder how they got hold of an internal email? Disgruntled employee ?
McCabe says it’s about focusing on the core work of the company but then his twitter likes are very much in the extreme American republican camp: pro-DeSantis, anti-trans, France is falling to Islam, Fauci is a fraud etc. Then he says stuff like:
>“What’s really tough now is that Pride has got wrapped up, unfortunately, within some circles in kind of more divisive and political issues,”
Were I at Intercom I would have concerns.
I find 95% of corporate pride is just pure advertising tbh.
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>We’re incredibly proud of the open, accepting, mature culture our CEO is building and the new high bar for talent he’s setting, too.
Is a bizarre quote in a company press release though – the CEO is a great guy!
I suppose there is a question about how much of people’s whole selves should be brought to work and how much stuff external to the actual business of the workplace is relevant.
A lot of it was just jumping on the bandwagon anyway. Let’s be honest lads.
>A spokesperson for Intercom highlighted the change in policy applied to all groups and non-work related topics, not just Pride.
Religion, politics and sex should be kept out of the office in my opinion.
McCabes twitter is US right wing talking points. I doubt it was a hard decision.
Pride started out as a riot and was always political…..
Bye bye intercom
People says corporations taking part in pride is all cynical virtue signalling and I’d agree but it’s still better than the opposite which is this, some right wing loon telling you that pride is basically forbidden.
The only people who think corporate pride stuff is a problem are bigots.
I think the fact that he chose **that** pose for a photograph tells you enough.
Isn’t he the lad who had to step down for being a creepy boss and then came back after their wasn’t enough evidence or something.
This seems a little bit like, live by the sword die by the sword. They don’t need to be getting involved with these movements, they are only doing it for attention and PR, everyone knows that. So I don’t have much sympathy for them when it blows up in their faces.
Corporations and companies are fictional entities, they shouldn’t get a say, they aren’t people, they don’t actually have an opinion. They will go whatever way the wind is blowing and don’t actually care about anything other than profit.
The only thing they need to concern themselves with is internal culture and whether their company treats their employees equally and fairly.
Sociopathic CEOs don’t do inclusivity, they do profit sharing.
June/Pride shouldn’t be a box ticking exercise. It should serve as a reminder to review your work policies and procedures to support lgbt employees and customers *throughout the rest of the year*. No point patting yourself on the back for having a pride coffee morning if you don’t actually walk the walk to make sure your workplace is equitable the rest of the year
Firstly, the Irish Times article is clickbait. Intercom looks like a company in real trouble, a number of rounds of lay-offs later last year and they are tightening the belt again. To me it seems that they have nothing agains Pride, they are cutting all non-essential spending on All ERGs. From an outside perspective it looks like they ahve fallen behind the AI curve in the chat-bot space and are fighting for their existance.
*(An analysis of the company’s challenges would have been much more intersting.)*
**As for corporate support of ERGs (Including Pride)**
It depends on the company, I work for a large tech company where everyone is actively encourage to participate in ERGs and if there is not one that you feel part of top start one yourself. Many like Pride, Womens, Young Professionals, MEntal Health African Descent, Abled, Etc are groups that advocate for their Others focus on charities, wellness, lifestyle, interns, Stem or other shared interests.
These ERGs are well funded and employees are given generous time to participate. Involvment in the organisation of these ERGs is also a great path for young professionals to demonstrate their organisational ability, project management and often public speaking.
Yes, corporations are selfish and moneymaking, answering primarialy to their shareholders, but treating employees well is VERY good for business. Once employees are paid well and have a safe work environment, organisations are seeking to differenciate on employee purpose, engagement and satiafaction. Employee happiness and satisfaction minimizes turn-over and maximizes productivity both feed into the bottom line.
I have a feeling they are on to something good…but since is it coming from a CEO with questionable behavior in the past + just read few people pointed out he is kinda right wing nutter based on likes on Twitter…dont know what to think
Suspicious
He’s kinda right. It’s quite nauseating the amount of energy all these non-work activities are. There are some folks whose whole existence in a company is wrapped up in ERGs. It’s a pain in the hole to work with them because they are generally liberal oddballs.
As one dev lead said to me recently “can we not just do the work, without these constant distractions”
Every day there’s a do-gooder message about some issue that might impact our friends in Ukraine, Paris, folks in NYC can’t breath, Wildfires out in California, Israel, Pride. It’s fucking never ending if you just want to come to work and do good work without this constant fucking stream of woke shite.
Of course it’s Intercom.
Many large corporations that ‘champion diversity’ do nothing of the sort.
Most large corporate firms in Dublin in Banking, Law and Accountancy are stuffed to the gills with the same middle class clones. All are from the same general areas, went to the same schools, speak and think the same way.
This is particularly prevalent in HR departments.
The diversity they champion is just marketing.
“Eoghan McCabe, chief executive of Intercom: ‘What’s really tough now is that Pride has got wrapped up, unfortunately, within some circles in kind of more divisive and political issues.'”
Yeah that’s the point of supporting it you chinless cunt
I guess if you want to avoid paying out redundancy packages you could create a toxic work place and people will leave for free
As an LGBT employee who has experienced homophobia at work I have to say knowing the company has your back and you can be yourself at work without fear of discrimination or hostility is pretty important, even if it’s just the company ticking that box once a year.
These pride initiatives are often just highlighting the companys’ non-discrimination policies, and maybe a social event usually organised by whatever LGBT employee group is present. It’s not some big month long indoctrination project and with everything going on at big companies most people would probably barely notice with the other 1000 initiatives ongoing at the same time.
I think people here are reading way too much into what a company ‘celebrating’ pride means, and those of us who are LGBT can tell right away that a company starting to exclude in the current political climate is more than willing to throw you as an LGBT employee under the bus no problem.
We switched from intercom to EU-made crisp.chat
I was updating my linkedIn profile recently and noticed that the logo of every single past employer was changed to the pride flag.
Not sure what my point is really, I support pride and there’s no harm really it just bugs me that none of those employers did anything proactive while I worked for them at all, it’s just lip service.
I’d like any company that uses the pride flag to have to have a page on their websites outlining what Diversity and inclusion initiatives they’ve undertaken in the past year and what the budget was for each.
Is it just me, or does the article totally fail to actually demonstrate there has been any unrest? All I read is that this company decided to stop supporting all its ERGs.
Has there been an actual kickback or is this just controversy baiting by the paper?
>“What’s really tough now is that Pride has got wrapped up, unfortunately, within some circles in kind of more divisive and political issues,” he said.
He’s not wrong, its a decisive issue right now with “get work go broke” being the main outcome in the US,
bud light sales dropped like 40 – 50% after they had that Dyllan one do an ad for them
wow, this is a brave stance. Fair play to them for turning their backs on that bullshit.
You go to work to get your pay. Your politics and your personal life are no one’s business. The only duty your employer has is to pay you and not mistreat you.
All this extra shit that happens in offices has gotten out of hands and the corporate virtue signalling that goes on with Pride is nauseating for a large silent majority.
Maybe i misunderstood this but I don’t see what the problem is – a business trying to keep staff focused on work. How does Pride support come into it? Did that have events that took time out of staff members work days or something?
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His argument that pride has gotten caught up in more political stuff in recent years isn’t miles off. Companies celebrate it more and more for virtue signalling purposes instead of meaningfully these days.
Its a shame internal policies on sensitive issues should be leaked to the national newspaper without all parties having their say first. Wonder how they got hold of an internal email? Disgruntled employee ?
McCabe says it’s about focusing on the core work of the company but then his twitter likes are very much in the extreme American republican camp: pro-DeSantis, anti-trans, France is falling to Islam, Fauci is a fraud etc. Then he says stuff like:
>“What’s really tough now is that Pride has got wrapped up, unfortunately, within some circles in kind of more divisive and political issues,”
Were I at Intercom I would have concerns.
I find 95% of corporate pride is just pure advertising tbh.
​
>We’re incredibly proud of the open, accepting, mature culture our CEO is building and the new high bar for talent he’s setting, too.
Is a bizarre quote in a company press release though – the CEO is a great guy!
I suppose there is a question about how much of people’s whole selves should be brought to work and how much stuff external to the actual business of the workplace is relevant.
A lot of it was just jumping on the bandwagon anyway. Let’s be honest lads.
>A spokesperson for Intercom highlighted the change in policy applied to all groups and non-work related topics, not just Pride.
Religion, politics and sex should be kept out of the office in my opinion.
McCabes twitter is US right wing talking points. I doubt it was a hard decision.
Pride started out as a riot and was always political…..
Bye bye intercom
People says corporations taking part in pride is all cynical virtue signalling and I’d agree but it’s still better than the opposite which is this, some right wing loon telling you that pride is basically forbidden.
The only people who think corporate pride stuff is a problem are bigots.
I think the fact that he chose **that** pose for a photograph tells you enough.
Isn’t he the lad who had to step down for being a creepy boss and then came back after their wasn’t enough evidence or something.
This seems a little bit like, live by the sword die by the sword. They don’t need to be getting involved with these movements, they are only doing it for attention and PR, everyone knows that. So I don’t have much sympathy for them when it blows up in their faces.
Corporations and companies are fictional entities, they shouldn’t get a say, they aren’t people, they don’t actually have an opinion. They will go whatever way the wind is blowing and don’t actually care about anything other than profit.
The only thing they need to concern themselves with is internal culture and whether their company treats their employees equally and fairly.
Sociopathic CEOs don’t do inclusivity, they do profit sharing.
June/Pride shouldn’t be a box ticking exercise. It should serve as a reminder to review your work policies and procedures to support lgbt employees and customers *throughout the rest of the year*. No point patting yourself on the back for having a pride coffee morning if you don’t actually walk the walk to make sure your workplace is equitable the rest of the year
Firstly, the Irish Times article is clickbait. Intercom looks like a company in real trouble, a number of rounds of lay-offs later last year and they are tightening the belt again. To me it seems that they have nothing agains Pride, they are cutting all non-essential spending on All ERGs. From an outside perspective it looks like they ahve fallen behind the AI curve in the chat-bot space and are fighting for their existance.
*(An analysis of the company’s challenges would have been much more intersting.)*
**As for corporate support of ERGs (Including Pride)**
It depends on the company, I work for a large tech company where everyone is actively encourage to participate in ERGs and if there is not one that you feel part of top start one yourself. Many like Pride, Womens, Young Professionals, MEntal Health African Descent, Abled, Etc are groups that advocate for their Others focus on charities, wellness, lifestyle, interns, Stem or other shared interests.
These ERGs are well funded and employees are given generous time to participate. Involvment in the organisation of these ERGs is also a great path for young professionals to demonstrate their organisational ability, project management and often public speaking.
Yes, corporations are selfish and moneymaking, answering primarialy to their shareholders, but treating employees well is VERY good for business. Once employees are paid well and have a safe work environment, organisations are seeking to differenciate on employee purpose, engagement and satiafaction. Employee happiness and satisfaction minimizes turn-over and maximizes productivity both feed into the bottom line.
I have a feeling they are on to something good…but since is it coming from a CEO with questionable behavior in the past + just read few people pointed out he is kinda right wing nutter based on likes on Twitter…dont know what to think
Suspicious
He’s kinda right. It’s quite nauseating the amount of energy all these non-work activities are. There are some folks whose whole existence in a company is wrapped up in ERGs. It’s a pain in the hole to work with them because they are generally liberal oddballs.
As one dev lead said to me recently “can we not just do the work, without these constant distractions”
Every day there’s a do-gooder message about some issue that might impact our friends in Ukraine, Paris, folks in NYC can’t breath, Wildfires out in California, Israel, Pride. It’s fucking never ending if you just want to come to work and do good work without this constant fucking stream of woke shite.
Of course it’s Intercom.
Many large corporations that ‘champion diversity’ do nothing of the sort.
Most large corporate firms in Dublin in Banking, Law and Accountancy are stuffed to the gills with the same middle class clones. All are from the same general areas, went to the same schools, speak and think the same way.
This is particularly prevalent in HR departments.
The diversity they champion is just marketing.
“Eoghan McCabe, chief executive of Intercom: ‘What’s really tough now is that Pride has got wrapped up, unfortunately, within some circles in kind of more divisive and political issues.'”
Yeah that’s the point of supporting it you chinless cunt
I guess if you want to avoid paying out redundancy packages you could create a toxic work place and people will leave for free
As an LGBT employee who has experienced homophobia at work I have to say knowing the company has your back and you can be yourself at work without fear of discrimination or hostility is pretty important, even if it’s just the company ticking that box once a year.
These pride initiatives are often just highlighting the companys’ non-discrimination policies, and maybe a social event usually organised by whatever LGBT employee group is present. It’s not some big month long indoctrination project and with everything going on at big companies most people would probably barely notice with the other 1000 initiatives ongoing at the same time.
I think people here are reading way too much into what a company ‘celebrating’ pride means, and those of us who are LGBT can tell right away that a company starting to exclude in the current political climate is more than willing to throw you as an LGBT employee under the bus no problem.
We switched from intercom to EU-made crisp.chat
I was updating my linkedIn profile recently and noticed that the logo of every single past employer was changed to the pride flag.
Not sure what my point is really, I support pride and there’s no harm really it just bugs me that none of those employers did anything proactive while I worked for them at all, it’s just lip service.
I’d like any company that uses the pride flag to have to have a page on their websites outlining what Diversity and inclusion initiatives they’ve undertaken in the past year and what the budget was for each.
Is it just me, or does the article totally fail to actually demonstrate there has been any unrest? All I read is that this company decided to stop supporting all its ERGs.
Has there been an actual kickback or is this just controversy baiting by the paper?
>“What’s really tough now is that Pride has got wrapped up, unfortunately, within some circles in kind of more divisive and political issues,” he said.
He’s not wrong, its a decisive issue right now with “get work go broke” being the main outcome in the US,
bud light sales dropped like 40 – 50% after they had that Dyllan one do an ad for them
wow, this is a brave stance. Fair play to them for turning their backs on that bullshit.
You go to work to get your pay. Your politics and your personal life are no one’s business. The only duty your employer has is to pay you and not mistreat you.
All this extra shit that happens in offices has gotten out of hands and the corporate virtue signalling that goes on with Pride is nauseating for a large silent majority.
Maybe i misunderstood this but I don’t see what the problem is – a business trying to keep staff focused on work. How does Pride support come into it? Did that have events that took time out of staff members work days or something?