It’s not a good salary, they do it because they earn big money after retiring from
Government, cushy board positions at the company’s they have looked after. Maybe if they earned more it would discourage that sort of corruption.
And yet an inflation pay rise for teachers, NHS staff, civilian workers etc is out of the question!
Before anyone snaps at the bait – remember Javid was earning £3 million at Deutsche Bank and took a 98% pay cut to become an MP. I think there were easier ways for him to line his pockets.
He’s not wrong. £86K isn’t sufficient to attract high-caliber, experienced, competent, professionals, hence the dross which currently enters national politics and occupies the HoC. For many of that lot, £86K is twice as much as they could expect to make outside of politics, so limited are their talents.
£160K’ish is justifiable if you want to upgrade the quality of MP and when you consider, the nature of the job, hours, being in the public eye, etc.
If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys. The HoC is a perfect example.
He’s all that’s wrong with the Tory government. What an utter cunt.
Of course this little toad face would say that. Do an honest days work you arse piece, and then we can look at your salary
To be fair to him his arguement has merits and other real world careers also reflect this sentiment.
The legal profession struggles to get enough high level experienced barristers to apply to become high court judges because yes the salary is very high, but it’s a huge paycut from being a top earning QC.
You do need to pay top dollar to attract decent talent, he’s right you either get rich people who dont care or people who are just searching for something better than national average salary.
But he’s a Tory so what the fuck does he know most people will cry out.. despite them knowing fuck all about working with top talented professionals and existing in a career where you have to pay the big bucks to have the best people.
Most Tories are not doing the job for the actually salary, they’re doing it to enhance their wealth and power, which being a corrupt politician will allow one to do.
What he is saying seems fair enough, if indeed it is true that certain talented people won’t go into politics because they could get better honest pay elsewhere.
But it depends of course on what he’s saying being the actual facts.
Yes there are many in government that are indeed ‘hopeless’, but the even bigger problems is the one’s in government that are NOT hopeless. The one’s that are actually cleverly making life worse for the majority and better for the minority rich (including themselves.)
I agree. But then they should have NO other jobs or sources of income, and should be jailed for any serious breach of trust.
The only way something like this is palatable is if they weren’t allowed to receive donations.
Before the economy went to shit (again) I suggested 1 million a year per MP plus expenses was not a horrible price to pay if they’re not allowed gifts and lobbying etc.
A billion a year for a bullet proof democracy and MPs that can’t skip work/votes.
That was before though.
So a 100% pay rise. That’s interesting considering how little he values nurses, doctors, train drivers and almost everyone else who are being greedy for wanting pay rises at all!
What a clown.
Even if you actually hold this belief, you should know it’s incredibly unpopular, and making it public is awful optics.
It’s like when Truss/Kwarteng decided to lift the cap on banker bonuses. I can imagine plenty of Tory MPs agree with that but when the economy is struggling and there’s a cost of living crisis that’s an absurdly stupid thing to announce.
They should also all have mandatory psychological evaluations to weed out the sociopaths. What’s the bet 90% of them wouldn’t pass even the lowest standard of acceptance.
Fair play to them. Not even trying to hide their contempt for us and they’ll still get votes
I don’t think anyone read the article where he said “cut the number of MPs in half and then double the salary”
I actually agree but they also should have additional rules in place such as no 2nd consultancy jobs, more strict governance when it comes to bribes, donor money etc. Expenses monitored.
I agree.
IF they’re barred from accepting any other source of private income for the duration of their term. No contributions, no second jobs, no renting out homes, no consultancy fees. Keep it simple.
How else is he going to live rich with his friends! We should approve of this! Forget about doubling it, Why don’t we triple the pay! /s
MPs should be paid minimum wage + necessary work expenses only that are scrutinised by those picky twats at HMRC.
Play by the same rules as everybody else and do the job because they genuinely want to serve.
Isn’t he from the same party who is telling all public sector workers (of which he one himself) not to ask for a pay rise? But then asks for a pay rise? One rule for them (MPs) and another rule for us? Or put it another way, do as we day not as we do!
Isn’t he a colleague of Lee Anderson who claims that £30k pa salary is plenty to live of in central London (including taking 2 holidays a year)?
I’d be fine with a pay rise for MP’s provided we ban them from having other jobs. No more tv shows, no more regular articles in their favourite propaganda outlet, no more “advisory” roles for companies. If you become an MP you have one job, represent your constituency in parliament.
Bumping their pay up to £150k or even £200k wouldn’t really cost that much and might change the caliber of politician we attract
But what about inflation? You’ll be bedding in inflation if you take a pay rise. We’ve all got to tighten our belts and accept the difficult decisions that have to be made, Javid.
We’ve got to hold our nerve…of which you seem to have a great deal.
Maybe he should read the fucking room before speaking
Give them the U.K. median salary and no second jobs or perks such as F.A. Final tickets.
I’m with the vast majority of the public who have lost all interest in politics and politicians. Too many M.P.’s are grifters. Look at their qualifications and where they received their education. Far, far too many of them with nothing more than PPE degrees = politics, philosophy and economics and fuck all else that is useful to society. I’d like to see more ‘trades people’ in Parliament such as: plumbers, engineers, architects, gardeners, disability advocates etc al,. People who reflect the views of the general populace not a load of fucking boring wind bags whose sole purpose is to line their own pockets.
I’ll not be voting until such time as we have P.R. I am sick to death of ping-pong party politics.
Is it Tory policy to just say the quiet part out loud now?
I would agree given the extreme pressures of their jobs
…. Given that they take said jobs seriously enough for it to be their only focus (which does not appear to be the case for many as things stand)
I’d literally rather we have a system of substitute/deputy MPs for each constituency over doubling their pay for nothing.
I kinda agree with the headline, but not the figures behind it or the detail.
I think double the pay, but make it so MPs are not allowed financial interests in anything. Don’t own any shares, dont own companies, no second jobs. No paying for second homes on expenses – instead, well-appointed apartments are made available close to the houses of parliament for them to base themselves from.
The aim is to remove as much opportunity for corruption as possible.
Friends of mine were earing £160,000 a year as lawyers, 3 years out of university. Now as 30+ year olds those same people are on £300,000+. Plus bonuses.
If you want to attract the best talent, you need to be prepared to pay for it. I’m not suggesting MPs be paid a fortune, but £86,000 doesn’t get you far in London these days.
No.
MPs should paid the country’s average wage. If it’s good enough for us …
No matter what, I just can’t stop seeing how much extra space his face isn’t occupying.
Agree with this, provided they get rid of all the extra sources of income MPs have. Oh its legal because they write the rules, but somehow my MP earning £1000 for a 45 minute survey by a big bank is OK? Snd that’s after tax. And he does it multiple times a week, while also having a portfolio of investment stocks and properties. How the fuck is this not just legal bribery?
He truly has one of the most pressing issues in the country on his mind. He’s probably right, but to bring this up right now is tone deaf to the extreme.
Does he think that about of the rest of the public sector who he’s refusing to give payrises to?
Sort out everyone else then we can come back to MP salary.
haha mother…. ban tax heavens and with fair tax in budget you may get some
The man’s a fucking millionaire the potato looking c***
This assumes a few things:
1) People who are paid more are typically more qualified to be MPs
2) the reason people who’re *incredibly* high paid avoid becoming MPs is due to needing to take a pay cut
With regards to (1), I think the opposite is true. We should have MPs that represent the populus. Therefore, you probably want your MP to have a life like the average person, so that they’re kept in touch with how life actually is. With regards to (2):
[https://ifs.org.uk/tools_and_resources/where_do_you_fit_in?income=86584&form%5Bperiod%5D=yearly#tool-results-section](https://ifs.org.uk/tools_and_resources/where_do_you_fit_in?income=86584&form%5Bperiod%5D=yearly#tool-results-section) https://www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk/salary.php
Putting the current salary of £86,584 for you, and if you have a partner making the median for a full time worker (30k), you have a total post-income tax household income of £83690. With 2 kids and 2 adults, and paying 2 grand in council tax per year, that puts you above 91% of UK households. Of that 9%, how many are going to want to have the main breadwinner become an MP anyways? Of that 9%, how many would win? I don’t think we need our politicians *more* out of touch so that a couple of the top percent don’t feel discouraged from becoming an MP.
Like I always say they should actually get a pay decrease to about £40k so they will actually look at taxes properly. Why does anyone think someone earning over 80k before expenses (which can be another £30-£40k) is going to be for increasing the tax they pay?
Don’t vote it just encourages them!
Unfortunately I do agree that if you want a better calibre of politician or public service worker in general then you must have wages that can compete with the private sector to lure in the best talent.
Currently politics attracts D-F grade graduates, they are not the best among us and the best among us command big money out in the wild.
and they should then be banned from ALL other outside “work” and be forced to be dedicated to represent the people who voted them in full time.
Agree, maybe that’ll motivate them to fix the 100k tax trap mess
Sajid David should tickle my balls, says CrumbOfLove
Hold your nerve everyone!
Not MPs, you get 100% pay increase.
Everyone else hold your nerve!
Honestly fine with this, just limit their alternate revenue streams/second jobs.
Tone deaf.
I can just about defend the 86k
I dont love it, but if we dont give them a salary like this we will only get candidates who don’t need a salary and thats much worse.
But this is taking the mick, even worse given the financial situation in this country.
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It’s not a good salary, they do it because they earn big money after retiring from
Government, cushy board positions at the company’s they have looked after. Maybe if they earned more it would discourage that sort of corruption.
And yet an inflation pay rise for teachers, NHS staff, civilian workers etc is out of the question!
Before anyone snaps at the bait – remember Javid was earning £3 million at Deutsche Bank and took a 98% pay cut to become an MP. I think there were easier ways for him to line his pockets.
He’s not wrong. £86K isn’t sufficient to attract high-caliber, experienced, competent, professionals, hence the dross which currently enters national politics and occupies the HoC. For many of that lot, £86K is twice as much as they could expect to make outside of politics, so limited are their talents.
£160K’ish is justifiable if you want to upgrade the quality of MP and when you consider, the nature of the job, hours, being in the public eye, etc.
If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys. The HoC is a perfect example.
He’s all that’s wrong with the Tory government. What an utter cunt.
Of course this little toad face would say that. Do an honest days work you arse piece, and then we can look at your salary
To be fair to him his arguement has merits and other real world careers also reflect this sentiment.
The legal profession struggles to get enough high level experienced barristers to apply to become high court judges because yes the salary is very high, but it’s a huge paycut from being a top earning QC.
You do need to pay top dollar to attract decent talent, he’s right you either get rich people who dont care or people who are just searching for something better than national average salary.
But he’s a Tory so what the fuck does he know most people will cry out.. despite them knowing fuck all about working with top talented professionals and existing in a career where you have to pay the big bucks to have the best people.
Most Tories are not doing the job for the actually salary, they’re doing it to enhance their wealth and power, which being a corrupt politician will allow one to do.
What he is saying seems fair enough, if indeed it is true that certain talented people won’t go into politics because they could get better honest pay elsewhere.
But it depends of course on what he’s saying being the actual facts.
Yes there are many in government that are indeed ‘hopeless’, but the even bigger problems is the one’s in government that are NOT hopeless. The one’s that are actually cleverly making life worse for the majority and better for the minority rich (including themselves.)
I agree. But then they should have NO other jobs or sources of income, and should be jailed for any serious breach of trust.
The only way something like this is palatable is if they weren’t allowed to receive donations.
Before the economy went to shit (again) I suggested 1 million a year per MP plus expenses was not a horrible price to pay if they’re not allowed gifts and lobbying etc.
A billion a year for a bullet proof democracy and MPs that can’t skip work/votes.
That was before though.
So a 100% pay rise. That’s interesting considering how little he values nurses, doctors, train drivers and almost everyone else who are being greedy for wanting pay rises at all!
What a clown.
Even if you actually hold this belief, you should know it’s incredibly unpopular, and making it public is awful optics.
It’s like when Truss/Kwarteng decided to lift the cap on banker bonuses. I can imagine plenty of Tory MPs agree with that but when the economy is struggling and there’s a cost of living crisis that’s an absurdly stupid thing to announce.
They should also all have mandatory psychological evaluations to weed out the sociopaths. What’s the bet 90% of them wouldn’t pass even the lowest standard of acceptance.
Fair play to them. Not even trying to hide their contempt for us and they’ll still get votes
I don’t think anyone read the article where he said “cut the number of MPs in half and then double the salary”
I actually agree but they also should have additional rules in place such as no 2nd consultancy jobs, more strict governance when it comes to bribes, donor money etc. Expenses monitored.
I agree.
IF they’re barred from accepting any other source of private income for the duration of their term. No contributions, no second jobs, no renting out homes, no consultancy fees. Keep it simple.
How else is he going to live rich with his friends! We should approve of this! Forget about doubling it, Why don’t we triple the pay! /s
MPs should be paid minimum wage + necessary work expenses only that are scrutinised by those picky twats at HMRC.
Play by the same rules as everybody else and do the job because they genuinely want to serve.
Isn’t he from the same party who is telling all public sector workers (of which he one himself) not to ask for a pay rise? But then asks for a pay rise? One rule for them (MPs) and another rule for us? Or put it another way, do as we day not as we do!
Isn’t he a colleague of Lee Anderson who claims that £30k pa salary is plenty to live of in central London (including taking 2 holidays a year)?
I’d be fine with a pay rise for MP’s provided we ban them from having other jobs. No more tv shows, no more regular articles in their favourite propaganda outlet, no more “advisory” roles for companies. If you become an MP you have one job, represent your constituency in parliament.
Bumping their pay up to £150k or even £200k wouldn’t really cost that much and might change the caliber of politician we attract
But what about inflation? You’ll be bedding in inflation if you take a pay rise. We’ve all got to tighten our belts and accept the difficult decisions that have to be made, Javid.
We’ve got to hold our nerve…of which you seem to have a great deal.
Maybe he should read the fucking room before speaking
Give them the U.K. median salary and no second jobs or perks such as F.A. Final tickets.
I’m with the vast majority of the public who have lost all interest in politics and politicians. Too many M.P.’s are grifters. Look at their qualifications and where they received their education. Far, far too many of them with nothing more than PPE degrees = politics, philosophy and economics and fuck all else that is useful to society. I’d like to see more ‘trades people’ in Parliament such as: plumbers, engineers, architects, gardeners, disability advocates etc al,. People who reflect the views of the general populace not a load of fucking boring wind bags whose sole purpose is to line their own pockets.
I’ll not be voting until such time as we have P.R. I am sick to death of ping-pong party politics.
Is it Tory policy to just say the quiet part out loud now?
I would agree given the extreme pressures of their jobs
…. Given that they take said jobs seriously enough for it to be their only focus (which does not appear to be the case for many as things stand)
I’d literally rather we have a system of substitute/deputy MPs for each constituency over doubling their pay for nothing.
I kinda agree with the headline, but not the figures behind it or the detail.
I think double the pay, but make it so MPs are not allowed financial interests in anything. Don’t own any shares, dont own companies, no second jobs. No paying for second homes on expenses – instead, well-appointed apartments are made available close to the houses of parliament for them to base themselves from.
The aim is to remove as much opportunity for corruption as possible.
Friends of mine were earing £160,000 a year as lawyers, 3 years out of university. Now as 30+ year olds those same people are on £300,000+. Plus bonuses.
If you want to attract the best talent, you need to be prepared to pay for it. I’m not suggesting MPs be paid a fortune, but £86,000 doesn’t get you far in London these days.
No.
MPs should paid the country’s average wage. If it’s good enough for us …
No matter what, I just can’t stop seeing how much extra space his face isn’t occupying.
Agree with this, provided they get rid of all the extra sources of income MPs have. Oh its legal because they write the rules, but somehow my MP earning £1000 for a 45 minute survey by a big bank is OK? Snd that’s after tax. And he does it multiple times a week, while also having a portfolio of investment stocks and properties. How the fuck is this not just legal bribery?
He truly has one of the most pressing issues in the country on his mind. He’s probably right, but to bring this up right now is tone deaf to the extreme.
Does he think that about of the rest of the public sector who he’s refusing to give payrises to?
Sort out everyone else then we can come back to MP salary.
haha mother…. ban tax heavens and with fair tax in budget you may get some
The man’s a fucking millionaire the potato looking c***
This assumes a few things:
1) People who are paid more are typically more qualified to be MPs
2) the reason people who’re *incredibly* high paid avoid becoming MPs is due to needing to take a pay cut
With regards to (1), I think the opposite is true. We should have MPs that represent the populus. Therefore, you probably want your MP to have a life like the average person, so that they’re kept in touch with how life actually is. With regards to (2):
[https://ifs.org.uk/tools_and_resources/where_do_you_fit_in?income=86584&form%5Bperiod%5D=yearly#tool-results-section](https://ifs.org.uk/tools_and_resources/where_do_you_fit_in?income=86584&form%5Bperiod%5D=yearly#tool-results-section)
https://www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk/salary.php
Putting the current salary of £86,584 for you, and if you have a partner making the median for a full time worker (30k), you have a total post-income tax household income of £83690. With 2 kids and 2 adults, and paying 2 grand in council tax per year, that puts you above 91% of UK households. Of that 9%, how many are going to want to have the main breadwinner become an MP anyways? Of that 9%, how many would win? I don’t think we need our politicians *more* out of touch so that a couple of the top percent don’t feel discouraged from becoming an MP.
Like I always say they should actually get a pay decrease to about £40k so they will actually look at taxes properly. Why does anyone think someone earning over 80k before expenses (which can be another £30-£40k) is going to be for increasing the tax they pay?
Don’t vote it just encourages them!
Unfortunately I do agree that if you want a better calibre of politician or public service worker in general then you must have wages that can compete with the private sector to lure in the best talent.
Currently politics attracts D-F grade graduates, they are not the best among us and the best among us command big money out in the wild.
and they should then be banned from ALL other outside “work” and be forced to be dedicated to represent the people who voted them in full time.
Agree, maybe that’ll motivate them to fix the 100k tax trap mess
Sajid David should tickle my balls, says CrumbOfLove
Hold your nerve everyone!
Not MPs, you get 100% pay increase.
Everyone else hold your nerve!
Honestly fine with this, just limit their alternate revenue streams/second jobs.
Tone deaf.
I can just about defend the 86k
I dont love it, but if we dont give them a salary like this we will only get candidates who don’t need a salary and thats much worse.
But this is taking the mick, even worse given the financial situation in this country.