They should do, who else will they vote for? It’s the voters that could vote Tory that they need to care about.
It seems their strategy is to court right wing voters, while assuming that left wing voters will go along with it because ‘tories bad’. That kinda seems the definition of taking a group of voters for granted.
Unfortunately it’s a good strategy. A lot of people who don’t feel they have an alternative, will talk about how terrible Labour is and still vote Labour. At this point the alternative is just becoming disenfranchised with politics and not engaging at all. Which also works for this version of Labour and the political elite in general.
People really need to snap out of the “red tories” delusion. It’s such transparent tory astroturfing to suppress the vote against them.
Are Labour radical Marxists about to cancel the existence of money and bring in true communism? Of course not. Surely you don’t actually expect this in 2023?
Equally however they’re pretty blood clearly solidly left of centre. All the “just more tories” moans are focussed on them not staying their support for people’s favoured left wing causes, ignoring the many core left wing views they actually do hold.
They’re not even speaking to left wing voters are they? They’re more interested in stealing right wing and floating voters from what i can see
Margaret Thatcher’s two greatest achievements were innovating gender neutral bathrooms in graveyards and Tony Blair.
We may have to hold our nose and vote Labour in the next election but the key is to remember that political involvement doesn’t end after the election. If you can give your time to a different party between elections, do. Stay involved in a protest movement, find out who your local MP is and be a pain in the arse with letters at the very least.
Between elections we can try to elevate the public awareness for other parties and try to bully Labour from the left.
There’s no way to square the circle of not upsetting foreign capital and actually doing things to improve society.
Then went on to say how they were taking them for granted.
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“we want to protect all the rights the tories have taken away from you, but we won’t rescind those horrible draconian laws they’ve brought in”
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mmhhmmm
No, they’re just abandoning them instead trying to curry favour with right wing voters.
Labour, the party that’s main strategy is to just not be the Tori’s.
I’m not voting for either … Green are getting my vote
If you want everything to stay the same vote Labour or if you want things to get even worse vote Tory.
I am generally willing to accept that they of course will take left-wing voters for granted in order to get into power.
If they are flirting with more centrist and even right leaning ground to scoop up undecided voters and disenfranchised Tories, with the plan to implement a more left wing agenda in office I will be perfectly happy, and it may even be the most intelligent way to get the population on board with a more left wing style of government. Get into office, do left wing stuff, make people’s lives better and then you have a stronger position to push for more in the future.
If however they get into power and are just a watered down centrist party, then I will be voting Greens until the day Labour prove in office they are an actual leftwing party. This is the tightrope they will walk.
Fingers are crossed that they are just trying to play the “don’t do anything crazy or radical” card until they are in office, hence the reluctance to criticise Brexit, change to PR, or commit to sweeping nationalisation. They don’t want to give the right wing press any ammunition that could see the Tories pull back any lost ground.
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They should do, who else will they vote for? It’s the voters that could vote Tory that they need to care about.
It seems their strategy is to court right wing voters, while assuming that left wing voters will go along with it because ‘tories bad’. That kinda seems the definition of taking a group of voters for granted.
Unfortunately it’s a good strategy. A lot of people who don’t feel they have an alternative, will talk about how terrible Labour is and still vote Labour. At this point the alternative is just becoming disenfranchised with politics and not engaging at all. Which also works for this version of Labour and the political elite in general.
People really need to snap out of the “red tories” delusion. It’s such transparent tory astroturfing to suppress the vote against them.
Are Labour radical Marxists about to cancel the existence of money and bring in true communism? Of course not. Surely you don’t actually expect this in 2023?
Equally however they’re pretty blood clearly solidly left of centre. All the “just more tories” moans are focussed on them not staying their support for people’s favoured left wing causes, ignoring the many core left wing views they actually do hold.
They’re not even speaking to left wing voters are they? They’re more interested in stealing right wing and floating voters from what i can see
Margaret Thatcher’s two greatest achievements were innovating gender neutral bathrooms in graveyards and Tony Blair.
We may have to hold our nose and vote Labour in the next election but the key is to remember that political involvement doesn’t end after the election. If you can give your time to a different party between elections, do. Stay involved in a protest movement, find out who your local MP is and be a pain in the arse with letters at the very least.
Between elections we can try to elevate the public awareness for other parties and try to bully Labour from the left.
There’s no way to square the circle of not upsetting foreign capital and actually doing things to improve society.
Then went on to say how they were taking them for granted.
​
“we want to protect all the rights the tories have taken away from you, but we won’t rescind those horrible draconian laws they’ve brought in”
​
mmhhmmm
No, they’re just abandoning them instead trying to curry favour with right wing voters.
Labour, the party that’s main strategy is to just not be the Tori’s.
I’m not voting for either … Green are getting my vote
If you want everything to stay the same vote Labour or if you want things to get even worse vote Tory.
I am generally willing to accept that they of course will take left-wing voters for granted in order to get into power.
If they are flirting with more centrist and even right leaning ground to scoop up undecided voters and disenfranchised Tories, with the plan to implement a more left wing agenda in office I will be perfectly happy, and it may even be the most intelligent way to get the population on board with a more left wing style of government. Get into office, do left wing stuff, make people’s lives better and then you have a stronger position to push for more in the future.
If however they get into power and are just a watered down centrist party, then I will be voting Greens until the day Labour prove in office they are an actual leftwing party. This is the tightrope they will walk.
Fingers are crossed that they are just trying to play the “don’t do anything crazy or radical” card until they are in office, hence the reluctance to criticise Brexit, change to PR, or commit to sweeping nationalisation. They don’t want to give the right wing press any ammunition that could see the Tories pull back any lost ground.