Unfortunately the German economy got more centralised now, afaik getting rid of Berlin would now resort to a net reduction of GDP.
Berlin has a high number of people receiving benefits.
> Where are all the Berliners at?
/r/berlin
If I remember correctly that has changed a bit since this statistic was published and now Berlin is a positive influence on the country’s GDP.
Berlin is the administrative and political capital of Germany, but it’s not anywhere near the country’s financial, trade or industrial centres.
Also, you need to understand the concept of “equalization payments”. The city of Berlin is a state in its own right, one of a total of 16. Equalization payments basically redistribute wealth, using the wealth generated by the wealthier states to support the poorer states. States like Bavaria, Hesse and Baden-Württemberg are net givers into the system: Berlin is the biggest net receiver, because it is pretty much broke.
This means that although the concept of “negative GDP” is a complete nonsense, if you were to remove Berlin you would remove the biggest drain on German financial resources.
I find that really an odd association between capital city and GDP. Why would you assume the city would be part of the complex of production systems that form GDP metrics?
Yes they make laws, but that is not a function of the location. This graph is based on location.
Best fuckin chart if seen in a long time! Made me laugh bad!!! Btw from Germany..
Imagine you are one of the most modern and affluent cities in the world and then suddenly some people from Bavaria decide that it‘s really cool to support the political career of a failed Austrian artist, hoping to irk those liberal (to them anyway) Prussians along the way. Anyhow, said city gets bombed to oblivion, then divided into two parts and all those big financial and industrial companies decide to move elsewhere because they are afraid of the Russians. Also, hippies are now paid to settle in one half of the city. The other half is ruled by communists who wear a lot of grey. Eventually the city gets reunited, but none of the companies return, also the local government is corrupt and or incompetent. More hippies come from all over Europe and settle there because the city is now known for its relatively cheap cost of living (relatively, I said relatively) and its free wheeling drug fueled techno scene. Everybody is happy and on drugs, but not that productive. People from Bavaria, like proper catholics, openly shit on this city but get shit on behind closed curtains in a random Schöneberg sex dungeon while here. And that‘s mostly it.
Compared to the other countries in this chart, Germany is very decentralized.
I suspect that Washington DC would also fare “poorly” by this metric (compared to NYC, LA, etc)
Ottawa, capital of Canada, is much smaller than Toronto; that doesn’t define its success as a capital city imho
Weil wir cool sind
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Because Berlin is run by commies and is full of hippy hispster douchbags and wannabe techbros. Berlin is very different to the rest of Germany.
Not true anymore since 2019. The reason is after WW2 the majority of the economy of Berlin was relocated to the West and stayed there. Also a lot of decentralization.
I think this is a good thing.
It’s because Berlin is a shit city all around
If you can read german go to Spiegel.de and search for Sascha Lobo, he just wrote something about it.
Früher dachte ich dass das normal ist das eine Hauptstadt mehr Kosten verursacht. Viel Prestige für den internationalen Besuch und die Industrie ist ja eher im ländlichen Bereich.
Aber jetzt die anderen Länder so im Vergleich zu sehen schockiert mich doch etwas.
To be fair, Berlin is the best thing to exist in eastern Germany. Without it it would be bonkers.
Stop posting outdated reposted shit. It isn’t factual anymore and happened because we were building an airport.
2015
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also, always nice to see the current Berlin hating circlejerk in full swing
It’s happening because Berlin is an absolute shithole.
That was 2015. Things have changed in the meantime. But it was mainly a result of Germany being split into two parts. Many larger companies, for example, have their headquarters in other German cities.
Oh, Berlin. What is Berlin? Berlin, as a city, brings nothing but shame to Germany on the international stage. When comparing Berlin with other European capitals such as London, Paris, Madrid and Amsterdam, any decent human’s face must blush in humiliation. Even small countries like Austria, Belgium or Switzerland have Vienna, Brussels and Zurich: presentable cities, complete with high standards of living. Germany gets punished with Berlin, capital of losers. In all the republic, Berlin is home to the largest number of arseholes by far. Deutsche Bahn, Bundestag, Air Berlin and Axel Springer are but a few examples of all the incompetent scum being kept here. Glorious times have long since passed, the city is face down in the dirt. Berliners are lazy sods to their very core. Traits that would, in any civilised culture, pass for nothing but laziness, rudeness, incompetence, dissocial personality disorder or idiocy, are taken by the Berliner and declared a way of life. That is why the Berliner harbours intense feelings of hatred for anyone who’s better than him in any way. Especially the all-around superior Southern Germany are a thorn in his side. He envies their success, and Munich makes the top on his list of hatred. That city is – and has! – everything that Berlin wants to be and have. Berliners take no interest in the fact that it is Munich that finances their dissolute lifestyle, in fact, they secretly believe that they have earned it. So instead of freeing themselves from their envious and resentful lethargy, instead of rolling up their sleeves and improve their city, they revel in their antisocial freeloading and praise their so-called global city. Culturally, Berliners are set up rather weakly, great works lie far back in history. Moreover, mispronouncing “g” as “j” is considered a great cultural feat. Advanced students have mastered ending each and every sentence with a “wa?”. The city’s culinary performance is second-rate. Here, a sausage made from glued-together, meaty odds and ends adorned with ketchup and curry powder is sold as a culinary masterpiece. Hardly any reasonable person would consider a bratwurst with ketchup a recipe, let alone the holy grail of culinary arts. Yet, in their magnanimity, the rest of the republic lets the Berliner keep his delusion, not wanting to amplify his inferiority complex. Economically, Berlin is an utter disaster, even the late GDR stood on more solid ground. The local economy is based around alternative blogs, something-something-media and, if universities are to be believed, gender studies. Disregarding his own bankruptcy, the Berliner treats himself to prestigious projects like the city palace and the airport – which, considering its inoperative nature, is likely an art installation. Moreover, the city houses all popular parties’ headquarters, who refrain from using “traitors” in their official names (Probably for marketing reasons). For the longest time, this “town’s” “mayor”, the jolly Wowibear, butchered anything he found left in a presentable state. Long story short: Berlin is Germany’s tiled coffee table. It is to Germany what Greece is to the European Union, and if it had open sewerage, it would be Germanys Romania. Berlin is a blemish, the abscess on the arse of the nation. Berlin is the uninvited party guest, who didn’t even bring any booze and wouldn’t even understand he’s not welcome if he had is teeth beaten out and got thrown down the stairs. Berlin is the Detroit of Germany and should be sold to Poland for 200 Złoty.
Berlin being split in half, one half walled-in, both heavily subsidised, void of all giant corporations (tax payers & employer) who had once been founded here… Siemens, Bosch, for example.
Anyway, the ‘real’ capital of Italy is Milan.
Rome can be the capital of central-south Italy if they like.
Taking Milan away from Italy would be a greater loss then a mere 1.6%
Berlin ist Full of communists and “artists” of all sorts. Many students and few Industrie
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Unfortunately the German economy got more centralised now, afaik getting rid of Berlin would now resort to a net reduction of GDP.
Berlin has a high number of people receiving benefits.
> Where are all the Berliners at?
/r/berlin
If I remember correctly that has changed a bit since this statistic was published and now Berlin is a positive influence on the country’s GDP.
Berlin is the administrative and political capital of Germany, but it’s not anywhere near the country’s financial, trade or industrial centres.
Also, you need to understand the concept of “equalization payments”. The city of Berlin is a state in its own right, one of a total of 16. Equalization payments basically redistribute wealth, using the wealth generated by the wealthier states to support the poorer states. States like Bavaria, Hesse and Baden-Württemberg are net givers into the system: Berlin is the biggest net receiver, because it is pretty much broke.
This means that although the concept of “negative GDP” is a complete nonsense, if you were to remove Berlin you would remove the biggest drain on German financial resources.
I find that really an odd association between capital city and GDP. Why would you assume the city would be part of the complex of production systems that form GDP metrics?
Yes they make laws, but that is not a function of the location. This graph is based on location.
Best fuckin chart if seen in a long time! Made me laugh bad!!! Btw from Germany..
Imagine you are one of the most modern and affluent cities in the world and then suddenly some people from Bavaria decide that it‘s really cool to support the political career of a failed Austrian artist, hoping to irk those liberal (to them anyway) Prussians along the way. Anyhow, said city gets bombed to oblivion, then divided into two parts and all those big financial and industrial companies decide to move elsewhere because they are afraid of the Russians. Also, hippies are now paid to settle in one half of the city. The other half is ruled by communists who wear a lot of grey. Eventually the city gets reunited, but none of the companies return, also the local government is corrupt and or incompetent. More hippies come from all over Europe and settle there because the city is now known for its relatively cheap cost of living (relatively, I said relatively) and its free wheeling drug fueled techno scene. Everybody is happy and on drugs, but not that productive. People from Bavaria, like proper catholics, openly shit on this city but get shit on behind closed curtains in a random Schöneberg sex dungeon while here. And that‘s mostly it.
Compared to the other countries in this chart, Germany is very decentralized.
I suspect that Washington DC would also fare “poorly” by this metric (compared to NYC, LA, etc)
Ottawa, capital of Canada, is much smaller than Toronto; that doesn’t define its success as a capital city imho
Weil wir cool sind
[deleted]
Because Berlin is run by commies and is full of hippy hispster douchbags and wannabe techbros. Berlin is very different to the rest of Germany.
Not true anymore since 2019. The reason is after WW2 the majority of the economy of Berlin was relocated to the West and stayed there. Also a lot of decentralization.
I think this is a good thing.
It’s because Berlin is a shit city all around
If you can read german go to Spiegel.de and search for Sascha Lobo, he just wrote something about it.
Früher dachte ich dass das normal ist das eine Hauptstadt mehr Kosten verursacht. Viel Prestige für den internationalen Besuch und die Industrie ist ja eher im ländlichen Bereich.
Aber jetzt die anderen Länder so im Vergleich zu sehen schockiert mich doch etwas.
To be fair, Berlin is the best thing to exist in eastern Germany. Without it it would be bonkers.
Stop posting outdated reposted shit. It isn’t factual anymore and happened because we were building an airport.
2015
​
also, always nice to see the current Berlin hating circlejerk in full swing
It’s happening because Berlin is an absolute shithole.
That was 2015. Things have changed in the meantime. But it was mainly a result of Germany being split into two parts. Many larger companies, for example, have their headquarters in other German cities.
Oh, Berlin. What is Berlin? Berlin, as a city, brings nothing but shame to Germany on the international stage. When comparing Berlin with other European capitals such as London, Paris, Madrid and Amsterdam, any decent human’s face must blush in humiliation. Even small countries like Austria, Belgium or Switzerland have Vienna, Brussels and Zurich: presentable cities, complete with high standards of living. Germany gets punished with Berlin, capital of losers. In all the republic, Berlin is home to the largest number of arseholes by far. Deutsche Bahn, Bundestag, Air Berlin and Axel Springer are but a few examples of all the incompetent scum being kept here. Glorious times have long since passed, the city is face down in the dirt. Berliners are lazy sods to their very core. Traits that would, in any civilised culture, pass for nothing but laziness, rudeness, incompetence, dissocial personality disorder or idiocy, are taken by the Berliner and declared a way of life. That is why the Berliner harbours intense feelings of hatred for anyone who’s better than him in any way. Especially the all-around superior Southern Germany are a thorn in his side. He envies their success, and Munich makes the top on his list of hatred. That city is – and has! – everything that Berlin wants to be and have. Berliners take no interest in the fact that it is Munich that finances their dissolute lifestyle, in fact, they secretly believe that they have earned it. So instead of freeing themselves from their envious and resentful lethargy, instead of rolling up their sleeves and improve their city, they revel in their antisocial freeloading and praise their so-called global city. Culturally, Berliners are set up rather weakly, great works lie far back in history. Moreover, mispronouncing “g” as “j” is considered a great cultural feat. Advanced students have mastered ending each and every sentence with a “wa?”. The city’s culinary performance is second-rate. Here, a sausage made from glued-together, meaty odds and ends adorned with ketchup and curry powder is sold as a culinary masterpiece. Hardly any reasonable person would consider a bratwurst with ketchup a recipe, let alone the holy grail of culinary arts. Yet, in their magnanimity, the rest of the republic lets the Berliner keep his delusion, not wanting to amplify his inferiority complex. Economically, Berlin is an utter disaster, even the late GDR stood on more solid ground. The local economy is based around alternative blogs, something-something-media and, if universities are to be believed, gender studies. Disregarding his own bankruptcy, the Berliner treats himself to prestigious projects like the city palace and the airport – which, considering its inoperative nature, is likely an art installation. Moreover, the city houses all popular parties’ headquarters, who refrain from using “traitors” in their official names (Probably for marketing reasons). For the longest time, this “town’s” “mayor”, the jolly Wowibear, butchered anything he found left in a presentable state. Long story short: Berlin is Germany’s tiled coffee table. It is to Germany what Greece is to the European Union, and if it had open sewerage, it would be Germanys Romania. Berlin is a blemish, the abscess on the arse of the nation. Berlin is the uninvited party guest, who didn’t even bring any booze and wouldn’t even understand he’s not welcome if he had is teeth beaten out and got thrown down the stairs. Berlin is the Detroit of Germany and should be sold to Poland for 200 Złoty.
Berlin being split in half, one half walled-in, both heavily subsidised, void of all giant corporations (tax payers & employer) who had once been founded here… Siemens, Bosch, for example.
Anyway, the ‘real’ capital of Italy is Milan.
Rome can be the capital of central-south Italy if they like.
Taking Milan away from Italy would be a greater loss then a mere 1.6%
Berlin ist Full of communists and “artists” of all sorts. Many students and few Industrie
In Berlin leben nur kommunisten und Hippies
now remove munich.