He has a point in a way, yes more Garda will solve the problem but if the people who get arrested only end up going back to what is essentially a ghetto the problem will just stay there and eventually get worse. And gentrification will only move the problem elsewhere as well.
More Garda with more tazers and batons to maintain law and order. Their presence alone would help reduce crime. Guessing this person is worried about the poor wee angles?
No one is calling for that.
We’re just calling for the Gards to actually do their jobs. Yes that means the difficult ones too. Not just the easy ones e.g. busting a small group of students for smoking a joint minding their own business whilst simultaneously ignoring a call about a gang of scrotes attacking people because “sure there’s nothing we can do”.
If it’s so stupid, why did you take a screenshot and share it then?
Social media has weaponised stupid people.
I personally think we should just build a ring around Dublin 1 and call it district 9.
I bet the gobshites who see violent scrotes as victims live very protected lives and never actually are exposed to them.
Giving more power and resources to the guards is objectively what needs to happen in order to get some control and peace on the streets. Equally does this person realise it’s possible to support more power given to the guards whilst also thinking that there needs to be more community investment/safety nets to help prevent young lads from falling into these groups with patterns of anti social behaviour but Dublin needs better policing and that requires they be given more power and resources such as better pay, better equipment such as tazers or even pistols, a new prison should also probably be built if there’s actually going to be actual punishment dished out also.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
The guy is a fucking crackpot, but I’m probably going to come across as one now in saying that I don’t think the Gardai’s light touch policing model is suitable for a city like Dublin anymore. The city is too big, too diverse, and has too many social problems.
We need a whole root and branch reform of both our justice system (courts, prisons, decriminalisation… the whole lot) and the policing system. Right now one is letting the other down, the other is poorly resourced and organised, and as a result society is suffering.
Calls a Garda a cop what do you expect from people who just consume, consume and consume American political talking points.
For some of the lads on the far left, any call for increased policing or harsher prison sentencing (which in Ireland is to say, actual prison sentencing) is an immediate jump to American style over policing and for-profit incarceration, as though there’s not a functional medium between what happens across the Atlantic and our own failing system.
Huh, I thought I was pretty left wing (not gonna say far left, since I don’t like extremes, but definitely a lot to the left). And yet this makes no sense to me at all.
Or actually, when he talks about “a cop’s boot or bullets” when most Gardai aren’t actually armed, it kinda shows that he really has no clue what he’s talking of. Which I guess explains it.
American culture has poisoned the anglosphere I swear to God. College was the worst with the amount of these idiots you have to put up with. People walking around Galway putting stickers on lamposts saying how they would punch any fascist they came across as if there was rallies every evening down at sparch.
People on both extremes are absolute morons
The irony of the OP is that it’s accusing others of living in bubbles and being detached from reality while simultaneously feeding in to the simplistic meme that has dominated this particular echo chamber for the last couple of weeks according to which these problems can be solved with harsher sentences and tougher policing.
It doesn’t work. It hasn’t worked anywhere else and it won’t work here. It treats the symptom of the problem and not the cause. But that’s not the sort of thing that people like to hear because who has time for complex and nuanced discussion when there’s upvotes to be had and outrage to be vented?
You know what’s detached from reality? Thinking you can police your way out of crimes that stem from socioeconomic issues. An increasingly armed police force hasn’t done much for us, has it?
The internet creates echo chambers that become defined by shibboleths. A major cri de coeur of the American left is that the police are emblematic of socio-economic race-based exclusion – which has some roots in the truth – and so on the American left, the police are the enemy.
The American left dominates (Anglophone) social-media simply by reason of weight of numbers, and so, Irish lefties are exposed to American social issues, not their own.
Gardaí are not driving around in police cruisers planting crack on black teenagers, but for some terminally online loser who lives in Dundrum or Drumcondra, or wherever, that’s not really relevant to them.
Conversely, on the right, the idea that helping victims of socio-economic exclusion might reduce crime is equally painful. The idea that success or failure is not entirely inherent to the person flies in the face of their moral worldview.
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He has a point in a way, yes more Garda will solve the problem but if the people who get arrested only end up going back to what is essentially a ghetto the problem will just stay there and eventually get worse. And gentrification will only move the problem elsewhere as well.
More Garda with more tazers and batons to maintain law and order. Their presence alone would help reduce crime. Guessing this person is worried about the poor wee angles?
No one is calling for that.
We’re just calling for the Gards to actually do their jobs. Yes that means the difficult ones too. Not just the easy ones e.g. busting a small group of students for smoking a joint minding their own business whilst simultaneously ignoring a call about a gang of scrotes attacking people because “sure there’s nothing we can do”.
If it’s so stupid, why did you take a screenshot and share it then?
Social media has weaponised stupid people.
I personally think we should just build a ring around Dublin 1 and call it district 9.
I bet the gobshites who see violent scrotes as victims live very protected lives and never actually are exposed to them.
Giving more power and resources to the guards is objectively what needs to happen in order to get some control and peace on the streets. Equally does this person realise it’s possible to support more power given to the guards whilst also thinking that there needs to be more community investment/safety nets to help prevent young lads from falling into these groups with patterns of anti social behaviour but Dublin needs better policing and that requires they be given more power and resources such as better pay, better equipment such as tazers or even pistols, a new prison should also probably be built if there’s actually going to be actual punishment dished out also.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
The guy is a fucking crackpot, but I’m probably going to come across as one now in saying that I don’t think the Gardai’s light touch policing model is suitable for a city like Dublin anymore. The city is too big, too diverse, and has too many social problems.
We need a whole root and branch reform of both our justice system (courts, prisons, decriminalisation… the whole lot) and the policing system. Right now one is letting the other down, the other is poorly resourced and organised, and as a result society is suffering.
Calls a Garda a cop what do you expect from people who just consume, consume and consume American political talking points.
For some of the lads on the far left, any call for increased policing or harsher prison sentencing (which in Ireland is to say, actual prison sentencing) is an immediate jump to American style over policing and for-profit incarceration, as though there’s not a functional medium between what happens across the Atlantic and our own failing system.
Huh, I thought I was pretty left wing (not gonna say far left, since I don’t like extremes, but definitely a lot to the left). And yet this makes no sense to me at all.
Or actually, when he talks about “a cop’s boot or bullets” when most Gardai aren’t actually armed, it kinda shows that he really has no clue what he’s talking of. Which I guess explains it.
American culture has poisoned the anglosphere I swear to God. College was the worst with the amount of these idiots you have to put up with. People walking around Galway putting stickers on lamposts saying how they would punch any fascist they came across as if there was rallies every evening down at sparch.
People on both extremes are absolute morons
The irony of the OP is that it’s accusing others of living in bubbles and being detached from reality while simultaneously feeding in to the simplistic meme that has dominated this particular echo chamber for the last couple of weeks according to which these problems can be solved with harsher sentences and tougher policing.
It doesn’t work. It hasn’t worked anywhere else and it won’t work here. It treats the symptom of the problem and not the cause. But that’s not the sort of thing that people like to hear because who has time for complex and nuanced discussion when there’s upvotes to be had and outrage to be vented?
You know what’s detached from reality? Thinking you can police your way out of crimes that stem from socioeconomic issues. An increasingly armed police force hasn’t done much for us, has it?
The internet creates echo chambers that become defined by shibboleths. A major cri de coeur of the American left is that the police are emblematic of socio-economic race-based exclusion – which has some roots in the truth – and so on the American left, the police are the enemy.
The American left dominates (Anglophone) social-media simply by reason of weight of numbers, and so, Irish lefties are exposed to American social issues, not their own.
Gardaí are not driving around in police cruisers planting crack on black teenagers, but for some terminally online loser who lives in Dundrum or Drumcondra, or wherever, that’s not really relevant to them.
Conversely, on the right, the idea that helping victims of socio-economic exclusion might reduce crime is equally painful. The idea that success or failure is not entirely inherent to the person flies in the face of their moral worldview.