I mean the whole thing is pissing in the wind really. Legalize it all and take things out of the hands of criminal organisations.
You could take down the biggest drug gang in Ireland and their competitors would be filling the void very soon. Make safer drugs legal and put more resources into treating addiction to more harmful drugs. It’s by no means easy, but the key is tackling addiction, not cowboy shit like taking down the bad guys.
I know a lot of people love the idea of decriminalisation or legalisation but that’s literally never worked anywhere. The US still has massive problems with organised crime despite over half the country having legal access to weed. Parts of Portugal still de facto have massive problems with criminal gangs despite drugs being completely decriminalised.
Have a debate over legalising weed or decriminalising heroin for moral reasons or harm reduction sure, but don’t pretend if you do so the Hutchs and Kinahans of the world are going shrug their shoulders and pack it in because there’s a dispensary at the East Wall. Don’t expect our government to properly fund the addiction services either after decriminalisation.
The west is reluctant to accept the only part of the world that has ever successfully dealt with illegal drugs is Asia.
Look at Singapore, which is a similar size to Ireland. If you have more than 2g of of heroin you’re assumed a dealer and put to death. More than 2g of cocaine you’re assumed a dealer and put to death. If you have the keys to a property containing drugs, you’re assumed a dealer and put to death. You can’t plead ignorance if you’re found to have drugs unknowingly. They have a 95% conviction rate if you’re arrested.
The result is drug cartels and gangs are non-existent. The risk simply isn’t big enough to justify the potential profits.
Ireland has 10 times as many drug abusers as Singapore despite roughly similar populations. The Irish drug trade is worth €650m while the Singaporean one is worth €16m.
Imagine the other month Monk was facing a 95% chance of being put to death by the state. If he was convicted problem solved, if he put free he’d probably never step foot in Ireland again. I’m not saying we have to be as strict as Singapore but criminals follow the path of least resistance, we just have to marginally more risky than UK or the continent
You think the gangs who run cocaine in Ireland are more powerful than the State? Are you high right now?
All of your points are irrelevant because it’s already widely used currently & you get all the negatives of gangs and clogging up the courts.
It will be decriminalised at some stage.
1. Goes for Tobacco, and I’ve even heard avocados.
2. Also goes for Tobacco, alcohol, Big Macs
3. There are legitimate supplies of cocaine that could be reinforced.
4. Agree. They’re still there though. We have ways of dealing with antisocial behaviour. People vape indoors but we generally don’t tolerate that. If we’re not relying on legality we can develop our social countermeasures much as we have for drunks
5. Make it illegal to snort and drive. Oh wait we’ve already done that.
6. I would like to see better regulation of gambling
7. It is legal and regulated for medical use in many jurisdictions.
8. Because of US influence. War on drugs.
9. Regulate supply. We did for potín for years
10. Due to stigma of illegality
Thanks. Dropping the mic now bye.
Sure it might as well be legal with what the courts dole out as punishment
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I mean the whole thing is pissing in the wind really. Legalize it all and take things out of the hands of criminal organisations.
You could take down the biggest drug gang in Ireland and their competitors would be filling the void very soon. Make safer drugs legal and put more resources into treating addiction to more harmful drugs. It’s by no means easy, but the key is tackling addiction, not cowboy shit like taking down the bad guys.
I know a lot of people love the idea of decriminalisation or legalisation but that’s literally never worked anywhere. The US still has massive problems with organised crime despite over half the country having legal access to weed. Parts of Portugal still de facto have massive problems with criminal gangs despite drugs being completely decriminalised.
Have a debate over legalising weed or decriminalising heroin for moral reasons or harm reduction sure, but don’t pretend if you do so the Hutchs and Kinahans of the world are going shrug their shoulders and pack it in because there’s a dispensary at the East Wall. Don’t expect our government to properly fund the addiction services either after decriminalisation.
The west is reluctant to accept the only part of the world that has ever successfully dealt with illegal drugs is Asia.
Look at Singapore, which is a similar size to Ireland. If you have more than 2g of of heroin you’re assumed a dealer and put to death. More than 2g of cocaine you’re assumed a dealer and put to death. If you have the keys to a property containing drugs, you’re assumed a dealer and put to death. You can’t plead ignorance if you’re found to have drugs unknowingly. They have a 95% conviction rate if you’re arrested.
The result is drug cartels and gangs are non-existent. The risk simply isn’t big enough to justify the potential profits.
Ireland has 10 times as many drug abusers as Singapore despite roughly similar populations. The Irish drug trade is worth €650m while the Singaporean one is worth €16m.
Imagine the other month Monk was facing a 95% chance of being put to death by the state. If he was convicted problem solved, if he put free he’d probably never step foot in Ireland again. I’m not saying we have to be as strict as Singapore but criminals follow the path of least resistance, we just have to marginally more risky than UK or the continent
You think the gangs who run cocaine in Ireland are more powerful than the State? Are you high right now?
All of your points are irrelevant because it’s already widely used currently & you get all the negatives of gangs and clogging up the courts.
It will be decriminalised at some stage.
1. Goes for Tobacco, and I’ve even heard avocados.
2. Also goes for Tobacco, alcohol, Big Macs
3. There are legitimate supplies of cocaine that could be reinforced.
4. Agree. They’re still there though. We have ways of dealing with antisocial behaviour. People vape indoors but we generally don’t tolerate that. If we’re not relying on legality we can develop our social countermeasures much as we have for drunks
5. Make it illegal to snort and drive. Oh wait we’ve already done that.
6. I would like to see better regulation of gambling
7. It is legal and regulated for medical use in many jurisdictions.
8. Because of US influence. War on drugs.
9. Regulate supply. We did for potín for years
10. Due to stigma of illegality
Thanks. Dropping the mic now bye.
Sure it might as well be legal with what the courts dole out as punishment