So ‘not thick’ as he ‘has a science degree’ and ‘can read around a subject’ and ‘work it out for myself’ but thinks us coming out of the EU helped us develop the Covid vaccine despite us still being inside the EU when we developed the Vaccine, production of the vaccine taking place inside the EU, and when we did finally leave the EU the company responsible for the Vaccine moved funding from the UK to the EU.
> Would voters change their minds?
I’m guessing not, as most have adopted their position as part of their identity.
To even consider changing your mind is to invalidate your very being.
It’s a strange thing with opinions and time, isn’t it? Have we always made a decision and then refused to budge from it regardless of what is going on around us? I don’t feel like we used to be so adverse to intellectual evolution. I remember thinking Tony Blair was literally THE answer during the run up to and following THAT election – I’m sure it took less than 7 years to realise/learn how contemptable and odious he was/is.
Seeing the reality of red tape, of immigration, of how we are performing compared to Europe, etc – even if ideologically one thought it was the right choice at the time, how does one today look at it and suggest it was the right course of action?
Head down, double down, head down, double down.
So last week all the polls said we had changed our minds. Now they ask “would we change our minds”. It’s hilarious. Personally I would vote the same way if we had a re-run of the vote.
As another user aptly said, the Brexit question has deliberately been posited as a part of your identity and personality rather than a political position you may change your mind on.
This, coupled with the conspiracy of silence from almost all politicians and the media, means that we as a country simply aren’t honest with ourselves about what Brexit means and what it’s doing to/for us.
Until the taboo is lifted and we’re allowed to actually have an informed conversation about it, nothing will change. Regardless of your current position on Brexit, this is a terrible thing.
At the time I felt Brexit was my choice for the reason that I was opposed to being forced into an ever closer union with the rest of the EU. I don’t think large transnational governments work effectively, or allow for agile or responsive governance. I dislike the methodology the EU chooses to use, of tying economic interests with their political advancement and requiring people who wish to trade openly to join their political project to unify. In my opinion those two things are separate and one does not naturally follow the other. Frankly, the 2016 referendum was the only chance any of us would ever get to opt out of that continuing process, and had we voted remain nobody would ever allow a second referendum in my lifetime.
However, I was not interested in the kind of absolute garbage that the vote leave campaign was peddling. They played on naked racism and fanciful “economics” to claim everything would be better when it was clear from the start that leaving the political union meant leaving the economic union and this would be costly. This was obvious from the start. This was then compounded by the fact we had absolutely abysmal leadership during the exit process that did everything to appear out of touch, inflexible, and possessed of the kind of self confidence only idiocy can imbue. I believe that if we had been run by competent politicians (somewhat of an oxymoron, but still) then the necessary drawbacks of Brexit might have been lessened, but not ever removed.
In theory, a confident and skilled enough government might have been able to negotiate with the EU for terms which, while not similar to full membership, might have been approaching the situation Norway or Switzerland have. We should have actually wholeheartedly thrown ourselves into engagement with the EU on every level as a valued and respected partner, even while we removed ourselves from their political union project. However, this didn’t happen, and the drawbacks have been severe.
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So ‘not thick’ as he ‘has a science degree’ and ‘can read around a subject’ and ‘work it out for myself’ but thinks us coming out of the EU helped us develop the Covid vaccine despite us still being inside the EU when we developed the Vaccine, production of the vaccine taking place inside the EU, and when we did finally leave the EU the company responsible for the Vaccine moved funding from the UK to the EU.
> Would voters change their minds?
I’m guessing not, as most have adopted their position as part of their identity.
To even consider changing your mind is to invalidate your very being.
It’s a strange thing with opinions and time, isn’t it? Have we always made a decision and then refused to budge from it regardless of what is going on around us? I don’t feel like we used to be so adverse to intellectual evolution. I remember thinking Tony Blair was literally THE answer during the run up to and following THAT election – I’m sure it took less than 7 years to realise/learn how contemptable and odious he was/is.
Seeing the reality of red tape, of immigration, of how we are performing compared to Europe, etc – even if ideologically one thought it was the right choice at the time, how does one today look at it and suggest it was the right course of action?
Head down, double down, head down, double down.
So last week all the polls said we had changed our minds. Now they ask “would we change our minds”. It’s hilarious. Personally I would vote the same way if we had a re-run of the vote.
As another user aptly said, the Brexit question has deliberately been posited as a part of your identity and personality rather than a political position you may change your mind on.
This, coupled with the conspiracy of silence from almost all politicians and the media, means that we as a country simply aren’t honest with ourselves about what Brexit means and what it’s doing to/for us.
Until the taboo is lifted and we’re allowed to actually have an informed conversation about it, nothing will change. Regardless of your current position on Brexit, this is a terrible thing.
At the time I felt Brexit was my choice for the reason that I was opposed to being forced into an ever closer union with the rest of the EU. I don’t think large transnational governments work effectively, or allow for agile or responsive governance. I dislike the methodology the EU chooses to use, of tying economic interests with their political advancement and requiring people who wish to trade openly to join their political project to unify. In my opinion those two things are separate and one does not naturally follow the other. Frankly, the 2016 referendum was the only chance any of us would ever get to opt out of that continuing process, and had we voted remain nobody would ever allow a second referendum in my lifetime.
However, I was not interested in the kind of absolute garbage that the vote leave campaign was peddling. They played on naked racism and fanciful “economics” to claim everything would be better when it was clear from the start that leaving the political union meant leaving the economic union and this would be costly. This was obvious from the start. This was then compounded by the fact we had absolutely abysmal leadership during the exit process that did everything to appear out of touch, inflexible, and possessed of the kind of self confidence only idiocy can imbue. I believe that if we had been run by competent politicians (somewhat of an oxymoron, but still) then the necessary drawbacks of Brexit might have been lessened, but not ever removed.
In theory, a confident and skilled enough government might have been able to negotiate with the EU for terms which, while not similar to full membership, might have been approaching the situation Norway or Switzerland have. We should have actually wholeheartedly thrown ourselves into engagement with the EU on every level as a valued and respected partner, even while we removed ourselves from their political union project. However, this didn’t happen, and the drawbacks have been severe.