I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – Singapore takes a *real* zero-tolerance approach and they have one of the lowest crime rates (and lowest recidivism rates!) in the world. If a law shouldn’t be enforced it shouldn’t be a law in the first place.
Thought that was Jimmy Kimmel for a sec
Dublin City centre ain’t downtown LA. It’s a small part of the city manageable with a sensible approach to enforcement, good planning and adequate funding/resources. Save the “zero tolerance” guff for the Newstalk commentators trying to provoke listeners.
Vigilante gangs patrolling their own neighbourhoods is the way forward. Probably not great for tourism with strangers getting beaten to death, but in time it will yield results.
Is it really north Dublin that has the issue or is it Dublin City center
It would without doubt, but you and I both know that these tugs know we don’t have the Gardai to do the job so Ireland is fast becoming a lawless state.
We’re getting zero tolerance…. to mean tweets
For any of this to work, you would need a significantly larger Gardai presence throughout.
One to a level I don’t think they’re capable of.
Have you ever been to New York? There is a police car on just about every single street corner. Especially in downtown area. They are absolutely everywhere. You can’t walk two blocks without seeing either a police car or some officers partoling.
Everyone is talking about Dublin, but there are small towns all across the country who have seen their crime rates (and in particular violent assaults) skyrocket in the past 18 months or so for “some reason”. But you won’t dare have anyone attempt to address the issue.
No it wouldn’t work. It’s Dublin City.
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Looking at how it works in America, and knowing Ireland, we’d end up with an over-criminalisation of minor offenses which would probably disproportionately impact minority groups too. What’s the end game, do we end up with mass arrests? If so, do we have the infrastructure to support this? Our courts are backlogged and prisons are full. The relationship between the Gardaí and public is always fractured, any remaining trust between the law and communities would probably be fractured further if things go south fast. ‘Zero-tolerance’ policing can be quite risky.
Things like community policing (like Ireland once had long ago) to build up trust in the communities again, and more so problem-oriented policing, (which I know is more of an idealistic approach that no Irish party would probably put into practice) in which you aim to address the underlying causes of crime rather than simply enforcing the law immediately, as well as harm reduction measures to tackling minor drug-related crimes, and all this in tandem with some sort of trauma-informed care would be better in the long-run. Gardaí should ideally be allowed reallocate their efforts into cutting off source suppliers of crime first and work from the top-down.
If there is tolerance to such gangs, government is just encouraging vigilante groups to take upon themselves to maintain peace. Tbh, I would think any vigilante group would do a much better job than what gaurds are doing.
They’re dead right. I think there needs to be more done to help people with addiction (and poverty but Ireland does this fairly well compared to other countries) which would help crime rates in the long term. And more garda presence would definitely help Dublin in the short term.
Every assault is horrible and should be minimised, but they’re not new. Lots of people are jumping to locking everyone up and throwing away the key, which has been shown not to work.
Humans are way too fast to jump on moral panics. Whether it’s crime or immigration.
Edit: posted by mistake before finishing the last sentence.
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Birching.
Nice article. To be fair people who listen to Newstalk are knuckle draggers who have a limited range of attention and reactions available.
Looks like it’s time again for [the map of every country in the world according to Irish media](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Ireland_USA_Locator.svg/1280px-Ireland_USA_Locator.svg.png)
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – Singapore takes a *real* zero-tolerance approach and they have one of the lowest crime rates (and lowest recidivism rates!) in the world. If a law shouldn’t be enforced it shouldn’t be a law in the first place.
Thought that was Jimmy Kimmel for a sec
Dublin City centre ain’t downtown LA. It’s a small part of the city manageable with a sensible approach to enforcement, good planning and adequate funding/resources. Save the “zero tolerance” guff for the Newstalk commentators trying to provoke listeners.
Vigilante gangs patrolling their own neighbourhoods is the way forward. Probably not great for tourism with strangers getting beaten to death, but in time it will yield results.
Is it really north Dublin that has the issue or is it Dublin City center
It would without doubt, but you and I both know that these tugs know we don’t have the Gardai to do the job so Ireland is fast becoming a lawless state.
We’re getting zero tolerance…. to mean tweets
For any of this to work, you would need a significantly larger Gardai presence throughout.
One to a level I don’t think they’re capable of.
Have you ever been to New York? There is a police car on just about every single street corner. Especially in downtown area. They are absolutely everywhere. You can’t walk two blocks without seeing either a police car or some officers partoling.
Everyone is talking about Dublin, but there are small towns all across the country who have seen their crime rates (and in particular violent assaults) skyrocket in the past 18 months or so for “some reason”. But you won’t dare have anyone attempt to address the issue.
No it wouldn’t work. It’s Dublin City.
​
Looking at how it works in America, and knowing Ireland, we’d end up with an over-criminalisation of minor offenses which would probably disproportionately impact minority groups too. What’s the end game, do we end up with mass arrests? If so, do we have the infrastructure to support this? Our courts are backlogged and prisons are full. The relationship between the Gardaí and public is always fractured, any remaining trust between the law and communities would probably be fractured further if things go south fast. ‘Zero-tolerance’ policing can be quite risky.
Things like community policing (like Ireland once had long ago) to build up trust in the communities again, and more so problem-oriented policing, (which I know is more of an idealistic approach that no Irish party would probably put into practice) in which you aim to address the underlying causes of crime rather than simply enforcing the law immediately, as well as harm reduction measures to tackling minor drug-related crimes, and all this in tandem with some sort of trauma-informed care would be better in the long-run. Gardaí should ideally be allowed reallocate their efforts into cutting off source suppliers of crime first and work from the top-down.
If there is tolerance to such gangs, government is just encouraging vigilante groups to take upon themselves to maintain peace. Tbh, I would think any vigilante group would do a much better job than what gaurds are doing.
They’re dead right. I think there needs to be more done to help people with addiction (and poverty but Ireland does this fairly well compared to other countries) which would help crime rates in the long term. And more garda presence would definitely help Dublin in the short term.
Every assault is horrible and should be minimised, but they’re not new. Lots of people are jumping to locking everyone up and throwing away the key, which has been shown not to work.
Humans are way too fast to jump on moral panics. Whether it’s crime or immigration.
Edit: posted by mistake before finishing the last sentence.