Germans make NS2 works and then talk how you care about EU…
French person here. I am not totally comfortable with the constant attacks the Germans get for their current energy policies, when it comes to both nuclear and gas.
As one female French expert recently said on TV here “they may look bad right now, but at least they have a plan, and 20 years from now, when they are all green and perfectly clean, we will be the fools stuck with nuclear reactors and half baked renewable infrastructure”.
In the case of gas, people from Eastern Europe like to depict Germany as a traitor due to the new pipeline. But maybe it’s because Russia was busy promoting that very pipeline that Ukraine is not already fully invaded! We should never underestimate the power of money at peacekeeping. Without being naive or apologetic, we must consider that somewhere somehow NS2 may help keep Putin quieter.
Cool, EU sponsors Putin, and relies its energy/infrastructure on him. What can go wrong?
But these are not military spending. It’s security spending, including internal security like police, FSB, drugs control, customs and etc.
I was actually wondering how Russia was able to afford all the R&D they were doing with the budget they have.
they depend on O&G export as the EU depends on energy import.
Russia is great but Russians are small
So, just an FIY.
Russian **Federation** has more than one budget, so you might want to look up not the “Federal”, but a “Consolidated” budget. The reports are available here: https://minfin.gov.ru/ru/statistics/conbud/
Its total revenue in 2020 was 38205 bln. rubles of which 5235 bln. were from oil and gas (including domestic consumprion, since the tax is on the wellhead) that is 13.7%. Last year we have spent 3170 bln. rubles on national defence, which is 8.2% of the aforementioned budget revenues (or 7.4% of total expenditure, since we were running a deficit in 2020 due to COVID).
Oh and by the way the consolidated budget does not include specific welfare budgets, which were additional 13247 bln. rubles in total.
One question I have, is internal security services (national guard, police forces and such used for maintaining order) counted as part of the military spending or other spending. In China more money is spent on the internal security than the military
Russia making all the same mistakes as the soviet union, except they’re even weaker than before. You love to see it.
If you spend so much % of your money for army you need war to make it work.
They also have a balanced budget and low debt. How outdated of them
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Russia is a banana republic, but with gas and oil.
This is why gas isn’t as much a point of leverage as some seem to think. If we stop buying their gas they’re stuck only sending it to Asia and there they have more options generally. Could be as much 1/6 of their entire economy gone
A very big share of ”others” in spendings. What counts as ”others”?
Duped again typical /Europe.
This wouldn’t have happened if Russia decided to shut down all of it’s nuclear plants! Now they are dependent on german money.
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Germans make NS2 works and then talk how you care about EU…
French person here. I am not totally comfortable with the constant attacks the Germans get for their current energy policies, when it comes to both nuclear and gas.
As one female French expert recently said on TV here “they may look bad right now, but at least they have a plan, and 20 years from now, when they are all green and perfectly clean, we will be the fools stuck with nuclear reactors and half baked renewable infrastructure”.
In the case of gas, people from Eastern Europe like to depict Germany as a traitor due to the new pipeline. But maybe it’s because Russia was busy promoting that very pipeline that Ukraine is not already fully invaded! We should never underestimate the power of money at peacekeeping. Without being naive or apologetic, we must consider that somewhere somehow NS2 may help keep Putin quieter.
Cool, EU sponsors Putin, and relies its energy/infrastructure on him. What can go wrong?
But these are not military spending. It’s security spending, including internal security like police, FSB, drugs control, customs and etc.
I was actually wondering how Russia was able to afford all the R&D they were doing with the budget they have.
they depend on O&G export as the EU depends on energy import.
Russia is great but Russians are small
So, just an FIY.
Russian **Federation** has more than one budget, so you might want to look up not the “Federal”, but a “Consolidated” budget. The reports are available here: https://minfin.gov.ru/ru/statistics/conbud/
Its total revenue in 2020 was 38205 bln. rubles of which 5235 bln. were from oil and gas (including domestic consumprion, since the tax is on the wellhead) that is 13.7%. Last year we have spent 3170 bln. rubles on national defence, which is 8.2% of the aforementioned budget revenues (or 7.4% of total expenditure, since we were running a deficit in 2020 due to COVID).
Oh and by the way the consolidated budget does not include specific welfare budgets, which were additional 13247 bln. rubles in total.
One question I have, is internal security services (national guard, police forces and such used for maintaining order) counted as part of the military spending or other spending. In China more money is spent on the internal security than the military
Russia making all the same mistakes as the soviet union, except they’re even weaker than before. You love to see it.
If you spend so much % of your money for army you need war to make it work.
They also have a balanced budget and low debt. How outdated of them
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Russia is a banana republic, but with gas and oil.
This is why gas isn’t as much a point of leverage as some seem to think. If we stop buying their gas they’re stuck only sending it to Asia and there they have more options generally. Could be as much 1/6 of their entire economy gone
A very big share of ”others” in spendings. What counts as ”others”?
Duped again typical /Europe.
This wouldn’t have happened if Russia decided to shut down all of it’s nuclear plants! Now they are dependent on german money.