Fantastic news. I believe this also includes Italy and Sweden too.
Really good news. I wonder if after this both parties go their separate ways, or produce a single engine for their respective 6th gen planes.
I know the Japanese have some very advanced metallurgy for engines, and obviously the UK has RR as a tier 1 engine maker.
I wonder if the cooler from REL, with its sabre engine pre-cooler, will be used to increase performance.
>64% upvoted
Why is this so controversial?
This is a quiet post? Wonder why
It would not be the first collaboration between Rolls Royce and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries: both companies used to be a part of IAE joint venture that produced V2500 engine for Airbus A320 and McDonnel-Douglas MD90
Not going to lie, I’m going to compare it with the Franco-German project once we have enough information on both.
One step closer to Gundams…
The tempest is amazing . Drone fighter
Great news. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and we can start thinking about a merger, or at least cooperation, with the Franco-German FCAS
We could for that cost have paid 1000 years worth of nurses at roughly £30,000/year for the planning costs alone, and given aging populations in both countries; methinks this is a bad use of spending even without ethical concerns about developing new fighter jets (that £2 billion would be useful if spent on the NHS or fighting climate change instead of lining the pockets of arms dealers). That the deal will generate large numbers of jobs is a bad argument- [we would actually generate substantially more by fighting climate change](https://caat.org.uk/publications/arms-to-renewables/) instead of wasting money on forever war.
Financial considerations aside (they aren’t in my view the most important thing, but more to illustrate the issues with the Tory military propganda), [every listed Team Tempest industry partner is complicit in helping the Saudis bomb Yemen](https://caat.org.uk/homepage/stop-arming-saudi-arabia/companies-supplying-the-war-in-yemen/). But hey, anything to keep oil flowing, and we’ll overlook the public executions, chopping off of hands and the like as long as we can keep turning more places into deserts. Further issues include the [Saudi air force bombing hospitals](https://www.msf.org/yemen-hospital-bombing-investigation-findings-too-little-too-late) (a war crime and obviously no defense of actions from the other side of the conflict either, [see this source for more precise details](https://www.ecchr.eu/en/case/made-in-europe-bombed-in-yemen/)), and there’s an awful lot of corruption around arms sales to Saudi Arabia just in general: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Yamamah_arms_deal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Yamamah_arms_deal). I’m miles away from objecting to paying my taxes, but I’d kind of like it if they could be spent on useful things, not lining the pockets of arms traders.
I’m aware this deal is granted, with Japan and not the house of Saudism, but this is to make a broader point that funding military industrial complex results in enabling human rights abuses in e.g Yemen, since money is fungible and it’s naive to think this sort of technology doesn’t have duel uses in fueling a humanitarian crisis (there will inevitably be more in the future that British foreign policy is complicit in, and it’s a bit rich to complain about the European refugee crisis when it’s foreign policy like this causing them).
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Fantastic news. I believe this also includes Italy and Sweden too.
Really good news. I wonder if after this both parties go their separate ways, or produce a single engine for their respective 6th gen planes.
I know the Japanese have some very advanced metallurgy for engines, and obviously the UK has RR as a tier 1 engine maker.
I wonder if the cooler from REL, with its sabre engine pre-cooler, will be used to increase performance.
>64% upvoted
Why is this so controversial?
This is a quiet post? Wonder why
It would not be the first collaboration between Rolls Royce and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries: both companies used to be a part of IAE joint venture that produced V2500 engine for Airbus A320 and McDonnel-Douglas MD90
Not going to lie, I’m going to compare it with the Franco-German project once we have enough information on both.
One step closer to Gundams…
The tempest is amazing . Drone fighter
Great news. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and we can start thinking about a merger, or at least cooperation, with the Franco-German FCAS
We could for that cost have paid 1000 years worth of nurses at roughly £30,000/year for the planning costs alone, and given aging populations in both countries; methinks this is a bad use of spending even without ethical concerns about developing new fighter jets (that £2 billion would be useful if spent on the NHS or fighting climate change instead of lining the pockets of arms dealers). That the deal will generate large numbers of jobs is a bad argument- [we would actually generate substantially more by fighting climate change](https://caat.org.uk/publications/arms-to-renewables/) instead of wasting money on forever war.
Financial considerations aside (they aren’t in my view the most important thing, but more to illustrate the issues with the Tory military propganda), [every listed Team Tempest industry partner is complicit in helping the Saudis bomb Yemen](https://caat.org.uk/homepage/stop-arming-saudi-arabia/companies-supplying-the-war-in-yemen/). But hey, anything to keep oil flowing, and we’ll overlook the public executions, chopping off of hands and the like as long as we can keep turning more places into deserts. Further issues include the [Saudi air force bombing hospitals](https://www.msf.org/yemen-hospital-bombing-investigation-findings-too-little-too-late) (a war crime and obviously no defense of actions from the other side of the conflict either, [see this source for more precise details](https://www.ecchr.eu/en/case/made-in-europe-bombed-in-yemen/)), and there’s an awful lot of corruption around arms sales to Saudi Arabia just in general: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Yamamah_arms_deal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Yamamah_arms_deal). I’m miles away from objecting to paying my taxes, but I’d kind of like it if they could be spent on useful things, not lining the pockets of arms traders.
I’m aware this deal is granted, with Japan and not the house of Saudism, but this is to make a broader point that funding military industrial complex results in enabling human rights abuses in e.g Yemen, since money is fungible and it’s naive to think this sort of technology doesn’t have duel uses in fueling a humanitarian crisis (there will inevitably be more in the future that British foreign policy is complicit in, and it’s a bit rich to complain about the European refugee crisis when it’s foreign policy like this causing them).
I’ll leave on the point that the partner MBDA conglomerate (owned jointly by BAE systems, Leonardo and others) is a [nuclear missile manufacturer](https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/12/france-successfully-test-fires-updated-asmpa-nuclear-missile/), which is a cruel irony given that Japan is the only country to have been bombed with nukes during peacetime, and a distinctly daft forgetting of their history (not least when [nuclear weapons manufacture is illegal under international law](https://www.sgr.org.uk/resources/nuclear-weapons-are-now-illegal). I can’t let the Japanese government off the hook here either…