People with different background also meet there. This can actually help people.
>while German and British politicians have suggested reviving compulsory military service.
Can’t speak for Germany but this would just be performative from a type of British politician and in no way a serious proposition currently as far as a serious military option.
Laws about compulsory military service are usually made by people not liable to compulsory military service. That’s all one needs to know about it.
No. It’s all but saying out loud that a big fucking war is all but inevitable. But it’s not. I get countries don’t want to be caught with their pants down, but I’m also certain that most people don’t want to die trying to kill people who probably feel the same. Call me naive, but our leaders can and should do better than this.
If your country has a modernized military service that actually cares for the well being of the soldiers, yes. If you’re just gonna leave training with additional trauma, then no.
Of course not, but if there’s a big fascist imperialistic state appearing at your doorstep, you gotta give up some comfort to oppose it
>**Does conscription mean sending poorly trained, disgruntled young people into battle, or can it encourage civic duty and help defend Europe?**
I think it depends a lot on the army culture. The pre-NATO Romanian army had a very toxic soviet inspired culture so all the conscripts really got while doing their military stage was physical and emotional abuse and almost no actual martial skill or civic anything.
No, it sucks, but when threatened by an imperialist revanchist power with a nostalgia for its previous lost imperial glory, you don’t want to get caught with your pants down.
I would have hated to be forced to do military service, but it beats living under the heel of Moscow.
Did they really write an article about delusional right politicians using the conscription argument?
No.
How is it a good thing to force people into an army?
What happened to this so called “European” army?
Strong armies all across – peaceful times.
Many weak armies surrounding several strong armies – war.
Conscription gang, what’s up?
With gender equality right? Its 2023 sexisim shouldnt be tolerated anymore.
in serbia they only mention it just before elections in order to appease the old farts who base their identity on serving in the old yugoslav army. probably won’t happen any time soon since there’s no way the state can finance it
Slavery is never a good thing.
Good luck with that.
depends really.
answer to the question: no
I like our system here in Norway. There is conscription, but not for everyone, just a part of the population each year (about 15% I think). That way you get a lot of people with a little bit of military training, and while it’s formally obligatory in practise it’s voluntary for 99% of those who get conscripted. It’s also gender neutral.
From what I recall, conscription in Germany is not abolished per se, it’s just “permanently suspended”.
People I know who completed a short, compulsory civil service generally benefited from it. I actually think some form of compulsory service (probably with plenty of exceptions) would be great for young people assuming it’s fairly short.
The things people seem to learn are: some new skills, a bit of confidence, maybe some travel experience, making friends outside of their normal in-group. All of these are great!
Also, unfortunately, learning how to fire and clean a gun doesn’t seem like a useless skill these days.
Depends on how it is done. My father spent 2 years being yelled at and doing usless stuff. If this is the way, then no.
If conscription can be short and packed with learning stuff like driving, weapons system, first aid, basic survival in wild, then yes.
But it really has to be done as “doing courses”, with goal to teach people and not like powertrip for few people.
Fuck no
I just don’t see the point.
NATO can comfortably deal with any country. If a country with nuclear weapons attack us, then it’s game over for us all.
If this ever happens it will be most likely something like a 2 weeks course for general population where they explain very basics of organisation in case of emergency.
Running the conscription is a very expensive thing.
Disgusting and useless. When there are such democracy problems conscription should never be allowed
Conscription would be alot more fun if you were allowed to yell back at the staff.
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People with different background also meet there. This can actually help people.
>while German and British politicians have suggested reviving compulsory military service.
Can’t speak for Germany but this would just be performative from a type of British politician and in no way a serious proposition currently as far as a serious military option.
Laws about compulsory military service are usually made by people not liable to compulsory military service. That’s all one needs to know about it.
No. It’s all but saying out loud that a big fucking war is all but inevitable. But it’s not. I get countries don’t want to be caught with their pants down, but I’m also certain that most people don’t want to die trying to kill people who probably feel the same. Call me naive, but our leaders can and should do better than this.
If your country has a modernized military service that actually cares for the well being of the soldiers, yes. If you’re just gonna leave training with additional trauma, then no.
Of course not, but if there’s a big fascist imperialistic state appearing at your doorstep, you gotta give up some comfort to oppose it
>**Does conscription mean sending poorly trained, disgruntled young people into battle, or can it encourage civic duty and help defend Europe?**
I think it depends a lot on the army culture. The pre-NATO Romanian army had a very toxic soviet inspired culture so all the conscripts really got while doing their military stage was physical and emotional abuse and almost no actual martial skill or civic anything.
No, it sucks, but when threatened by an imperialist revanchist power with a nostalgia for its previous lost imperial glory, you don’t want to get caught with your pants down.
I would have hated to be forced to do military service, but it beats living under the heel of Moscow.
Did they really write an article about delusional right politicians using the conscription argument?
No.
How is it a good thing to force people into an army?
What happened to this so called “European” army?
Strong armies all across – peaceful times.
Many weak armies surrounding several strong armies – war.
Conscription gang, what’s up?
With gender equality right? Its 2023 sexisim shouldnt be tolerated anymore.
in serbia they only mention it just before elections in order to appease the old farts who base their identity on serving in the old yugoslav army. probably won’t happen any time soon since there’s no way the state can finance it
Slavery is never a good thing.
Good luck with that.
depends really.
answer to the question: no
I like our system here in Norway. There is conscription, but not for everyone, just a part of the population each year (about 15% I think). That way you get a lot of people with a little bit of military training, and while it’s formally obligatory in practise it’s voluntary for 99% of those who get conscripted. It’s also gender neutral.
From what I recall, conscription in Germany is not abolished per se, it’s just “permanently suspended”.
People I know who completed a short, compulsory civil service generally benefited from it. I actually think some form of compulsory service (probably with plenty of exceptions) would be great for young people assuming it’s fairly short.
The things people seem to learn are: some new skills, a bit of confidence, maybe some travel experience, making friends outside of their normal in-group. All of these are great!
Also, unfortunately, learning how to fire and clean a gun doesn’t seem like a useless skill these days.
Depends on how it is done. My father spent 2 years being yelled at and doing usless stuff. If this is the way, then no.
If conscription can be short and packed with learning stuff like driving, weapons system, first aid, basic survival in wild, then yes.
But it really has to be done as “doing courses”, with goal to teach people and not like powertrip for few people.
Fuck no
I just don’t see the point.
NATO can comfortably deal with any country. If a country with nuclear weapons attack us, then it’s game over for us all.
If this ever happens it will be most likely something like a 2 weeks course for general population where they explain very basics of organisation in case of emergency.
Running the conscription is a very expensive thing.
Disgusting and useless. When there are such democracy problems conscription should never be allowed
Conscription would be alot more fun if you were allowed to yell back at the staff.