It’s always been tedious hearing Germans preach about how they’re the only country to “confront their past”
Nationalism cloaked in a performative guilt.
I think this is not what the scandal signals.
Many perceive this thing as a campaign against a politician who was uncomfortable for the establishment and then just a few weeks before the important bavarian state election a 35 years old scandal from when he was a 17 years old pupil was dug out. I think most Germans agree that the content of the leaflet is despicable but many don’t approve of the way this is discussed in the media now.
Being honest, what does a 20-30-40 year old german that wasn’t even alive during that time has to be sorry about?
He wasn’t part of it, did not do it, wasn’t even alive for it.
Trying to make people feel guilty for stuff they did not do is never going to work, it just makes them resentful.
I don’t agree. In my opinion, it’s a sign that Germans are frustrated by politics in general, and by Bavarian politics in particular.
What is it with Germans and fascism? Why do they all just mindlessly continue to flock to this ideology anytime people criticize them or times get tough?
This is mainly about the role and power of germanies established left-wing media. The last decades, some newspapers had quite the influence on politics by threatening the kind of stories that happened here. Now, for the first time since kinda ever, it backfired spectacularly. Nobody really knows what consequences this will have, but it may lead to more rightwing governments in the future.
No prizes for guessing that this one’s party is in bed with Manfred Weber’s CSU, the EU’s EPP-oriented party which is a hot house for traditionalist fever-dreams. The current leadership of the EC is stuffed with EPP who are the sort of Christians who think Latin mass was cooler than Miles Davis’ Kind of Blue.
We feel sorry for letting it happen that fucking Nazis are again in politics. You can’t be proud of a country where 50% still follow AFD propaganda and rhethorics similar to 1938. The lack of self reflecrion made this possible.
I always hate it when people say that all Germans are sorry and have an inept guilt for the crime of the Nazis.
I think the feeling you would have could be described as “cautious patriotism” or feeling of dread when thinking of the past, which is especially bad when you know that almost no one got actually punished (only a few party leaders and generals).
Of course it is wrong to feel guilty for crimes that you have not committed but something that can’t be ignored is that these crimes have been done in the name of your country and your family members have been most likely involved in this.
It is for ever stuck with the name Germany and to try to sweep it under the rug would be disrespectful to the victims something you would only do to feel better about your “pride”.
No it signals that there still are plenty of nazis in the german population.
People in power “joking” about sending their political enemies to Auschwitz without any repercussions is possible in Germany again. Some celebrate this as a win for free speech.
Yeah and as a fellow German, I think they should all leave the country and apply for Austrian citizenship. These people don’t understand German multiculturalism and want to take our country from us.
No, this isn’t a joke. Over half the country doesn’t want these people here. We don’t need their misguided anti-German xenophobia in a country that’s been multicultural for the entire HRE period. That’s our history and they can just leave if they don’t like it. Austria-Hungary is waiting.
Don’t fall for this rubbish article. Germans are just frustrated with the special status the CSU has since you can only elect the party in Bavaria but are in a Union with the CDU which means the CSU can influence federal politics whenever the CDU is in power.
It’s the lack of ability to punish this trash party in federal elections that frustrates Germans.
The only party trying to make people feel guilty for something they didn’t do is the party that wants to destroy the western society. This article title is forced narrative creation.
Making people feel guilty over something they didn’t do is indeed a distressing feeling and a part of the current massive manipulation campaign against the west.
That there isn’t a functional pushback in the media to deal with the extent and the sophistication of the propaganda most likely means that a solution by force has already been decided upon.
Because this has always been a great headline for the world….
Just ban fucking politico from reddit allready. It’s at best rubbish and generally just propaganda with the sole purpose to divide.
Everywhere you see people are trying to rile others by outrageous views and a multitude is happy to justify or excuse.
Every action in the World is brushed off with conspiracis. Nothing is black and white.
Trump is running close in US with all his bagage and views. And he is helping in gentrifying all the crazies elsewhere.
Russia invasion of Ukraine for me seems very clear as to what/who is wrong snd what others should do for World stabilty. But a huge chunk of people seem not to be not concerned
Coups are popping up everywhere esp in Africa. Some people are happy to replace France/US forces with Wagner.
The World seems to be staggering on to a period of huge instability and there will be no unity or agreement or what is wrong
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It’s always been tedious hearing Germans preach about how they’re the only country to “confront their past”
Nationalism cloaked in a performative guilt.
I think this is not what the scandal signals.
Many perceive this thing as a campaign against a politician who was uncomfortable for the establishment and then just a few weeks before the important bavarian state election a 35 years old scandal from when he was a 17 years old pupil was dug out. I think most Germans agree that the content of the leaflet is despicable but many don’t approve of the way this is discussed in the media now.
Being honest, what does a 20-30-40 year old german that wasn’t even alive during that time has to be sorry about?
He wasn’t part of it, did not do it, wasn’t even alive for it.
Trying to make people feel guilty for stuff they did not do is never going to work, it just makes them resentful.
I don’t agree. In my opinion, it’s a sign that Germans are frustrated by politics in general, and by Bavarian politics in particular.
What is it with Germans and fascism? Why do they all just mindlessly continue to flock to this ideology anytime people criticize them or times get tough?
This is mainly about the role and power of germanies established left-wing media. The last decades, some newspapers had quite the influence on politics by threatening the kind of stories that happened here. Now, for the first time since kinda ever, it backfired spectacularly. Nobody really knows what consequences this will have, but it may lead to more rightwing governments in the future.
No prizes for guessing that this one’s party is in bed with Manfred Weber’s CSU, the EU’s EPP-oriented party which is a hot house for traditionalist fever-dreams. The current leadership of the EC is stuffed with EPP who are the sort of Christians who think Latin mass was cooler than Miles Davis’ Kind of Blue.
We feel sorry for letting it happen that fucking Nazis are again in politics. You can’t be proud of a country where 50% still follow AFD propaganda and rhethorics similar to 1938. The lack of self reflecrion made this possible.
I always hate it when people say that all Germans are sorry and have an inept guilt for the crime of the Nazis.
I think the feeling you would have could be described as “cautious patriotism” or feeling of dread when thinking of the past, which is especially bad when you know that almost no one got actually punished (only a few party leaders and generals).
Of course it is wrong to feel guilty for crimes that you have not committed but something that can’t be ignored is that these crimes have been done in the name of your country and your family members have been most likely involved in this.
It is for ever stuck with the name Germany and to try to sweep it under the rug would be disrespectful to the victims something you would only do to feel better about your “pride”.
No it signals that there still are plenty of nazis in the german population.
People in power “joking” about sending their political enemies to Auschwitz without any repercussions is possible in Germany again. Some celebrate this as a win for free speech.
Yeah and as a fellow German, I think they should all leave the country and apply for Austrian citizenship. These people don’t understand German multiculturalism and want to take our country from us.
No, this isn’t a joke. Over half the country doesn’t want these people here. We don’t need their misguided anti-German xenophobia in a country that’s been multicultural for the entire HRE period. That’s our history and they can just leave if they don’t like it. Austria-Hungary is waiting.
Don’t fall for this rubbish article. Germans are just frustrated with the special status the CSU has since you can only elect the party in Bavaria but are in a Union with the CDU which means the CSU can influence federal politics whenever the CDU is in power.
It’s the lack of ability to punish this trash party in federal elections that frustrates Germans.
The only party trying to make people feel guilty for something they didn’t do is the party that wants to destroy the western society. This article title is forced narrative creation.
Making people feel guilty over something they didn’t do is indeed a distressing feeling and a part of the current massive manipulation campaign against the west.
That there isn’t a functional pushback in the media to deal with the extent and the sophistication of the propaganda most likely means that a solution by force has already been decided upon.
Because this has always been a great headline for the world….
Just ban fucking politico from reddit allready. It’s at best rubbish and generally just propaganda with the sole purpose to divide.
Everywhere you see people are trying to rile others by outrageous views and a multitude is happy to justify or excuse.
Every action in the World is brushed off with conspiracis. Nothing is black and white.
Trump is running close in US with all his bagage and views. And he is helping in gentrifying all the crazies elsewhere.
Russia invasion of Ukraine for me seems very clear as to what/who is wrong snd what others should do for World stabilty. But a huge chunk of people seem not to be not concerned
Coups are popping up everywhere esp in Africa. Some people are happy to replace France/US forces with Wagner.
The World seems to be staggering on to a period of huge instability and there will be no unity or agreement or what is wrong