“As part of the sanctions against Russia, the European Commission has **banned Russians from entering EU countries in Russia-registered cars, and from importing personal belongings** such as smartphones, jewelry and laptops”.
“The Russian media emphasizes that in the summer, cars of Russians trying to get to Germany were arrested at customs. In early June, German customs confirmed that Article 3i of Regulation 833/2014 defines an embargo on Russia, **prohibiting any movement of goods, even for personal, non-commercial purposes**”
Could it instead allow them to enter by a car and with valuables, then 10 minutes later deport them back without the car or valuables?
Once again i want to thank the EU, for making it as hard for qualified Russians to flee to the EU as hard as possible. Instead they come to my country and double the annual GDP growth, making it double digited))
Very funny.
Because all the “pro-Western”, “liberal-leaning” Russians have fled to the West, some with their cars and of course valueables, and now the West bashes them, what an irony.
Good. Should have blocked their entry totally, but this is a good second option.
Good to see. We don’t want any fake referendums in europe. No body have to get „liberated“ by putler the small.
i am not sure how this could help with anything. what‘s the idea behind this measure, what is it supposed to achieve? i understand that this is probably just an implication from the sanction law, but still…
The Russian government and Putin are the problem, not the civilians, why make their lives harder than it already is.
So:
– Russian oligarchs/politicians/their children with dual Finnish/Estonian/German/etc. citizenship or Golden Passports continue to fly on private jets from Cyprus, which was conveniently registered to offshore companies
– It has become even more difficult for Russian emigrants/dodge-drafters/political refugees to get a humanitarian visa: no way to arrive by personal transportation and forcing you to take state-controlled travel routes, no way to carry evidence of persecution on a personal gadget.
10/10
I can’t wait to see how in six months the author of this initiative turns out to have business with Russia. Or will leave for a warm seat at the Tony Blair institute, having previously earned nice political points on populism.
As happens in such cases suspiciously often.
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Shame, Shame, Shame.
And we already know that Finland and others won’t implement it anyway. Nobody implements this regulation, except for Germany. Thankfully, EU is not a state. Fuck EU.
I’m as much in favour for inflicting as much pain on russia as anyone. I also don’t believe the “it’s just putin, russian people =/= russian government” narrative. But can someone please help me understand wtf this measure is supposed to accomplish? One of the commenters cited the Commission FAQ:
> significantly weaken Russia’s economic base, depriving it of critical markets for its products and to significantly curtail its ability to wage war
HOW? how does a russian crossing a border in his Lada / VW / BMW / whatever with his phone, laptop and jewellery strengthen russia’s economic base? How does it contribute to its ability to wage war??
If anything, we should be increasing the brain drain FROM russia. We should be stealing all their qualified engineers and luring resources OUT OF russia (incl. devices with chips that can be repurposed, automobiles that can be sent to the front, and valuables that can be exchanged for hard currency).
This measure in fact seems counter-productive to the goals stated in the FAQ.
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“As part of the sanctions against Russia, the European Commission has **banned Russians from entering EU countries in Russia-registered cars, and from importing personal belongings** such as smartphones, jewelry and laptops”.
“The Russian media emphasizes that in the summer, cars of Russians trying to get to Germany were arrested at customs. In early June, German customs confirmed that Article 3i of Regulation 833/2014 defines an embargo on Russia, **prohibiting any movement of goods, even for personal, non-commercial purposes**”
Edit. [This seems to be the relevant EU doc.](https://finance.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2023-09/faqs-sanctions-russia-listed-goods_en.pdf)
Could it instead allow them to enter by a car and with valuables, then 10 minutes later deport them back without the car or valuables?
Once again i want to thank the EU, for making it as hard for qualified Russians to flee to the EU as hard as possible. Instead they come to my country and double the annual GDP growth, making it double digited))
Very funny.
Because all the “pro-Western”, “liberal-leaning” Russians have fled to the West, some with their cars and of course valueables, and now the West bashes them, what an irony.
Good. Should have blocked their entry totally, but this is a good second option.
Good to see. We don’t want any fake referendums in europe. No body have to get „liberated“ by putler the small.
i am not sure how this could help with anything. what‘s the idea behind this measure, what is it supposed to achieve? i understand that this is probably just an implication from the sanction law, but still…
The Russian government and Putin are the problem, not the civilians, why make their lives harder than it already is.
So:
– Russian oligarchs/politicians/their children with dual Finnish/Estonian/German/etc. citizenship or Golden Passports continue to fly on private jets from Cyprus, which was conveniently registered to offshore companies
– It has become even more difficult for Russian emigrants/dodge-drafters/political refugees to get a humanitarian visa: no way to arrive by personal transportation and forcing you to take state-controlled travel routes, no way to carry evidence of persecution on a personal gadget.
10/10
I can’t wait to see how in six months the author of this initiative turns out to have business with Russia. Or will leave for a warm seat at the Tony Blair institute, having previously earned nice political points on populism.
As happens in such cases suspiciously often.
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Shame, Shame, Shame.
And we already know that Finland and others won’t implement it anyway. Nobody implements this regulation, except for Germany. Thankfully, EU is not a state. Fuck EU.
I’m as much in favour for inflicting as much pain on russia as anyone. I also don’t believe the “it’s just putin, russian people =/= russian government” narrative. But can someone please help me understand wtf this measure is supposed to accomplish? One of the commenters cited the Commission FAQ:
> significantly weaken Russia’s economic base, depriving it of critical markets for its products and to significantly curtail its ability to wage war
HOW? how does a russian crossing a border in his Lada / VW / BMW / whatever with his phone, laptop and jewellery strengthen russia’s economic base? How does it contribute to its ability to wage war??
If anything, we should be increasing the brain drain FROM russia. We should be stealing all their qualified engineers and luring resources OUT OF russia (incl. devices with chips that can be repurposed, automobiles that can be sent to the front, and valuables that can be exchanged for hard currency).
This measure in fact seems counter-productive to the goals stated in the FAQ.
Suddenly the EU can stop people from coming in.