Modern society needs to come to terms with the fact that infinite growth is unsustainable.
We need to create a system that works even with fewer people.
It would even be good at preventing wars. Fewer people means that each one of them is more valuable, meaning that world leaders are less likely to want to waste their lives on a struggle.
Maybe its time to accept that people have fewer children and stop being so obsessed with women birthing future wage slaves. The article mentions that Spanish women in the 70s had on average 3 children, now they have 1. Well many Spanish women in the 70s were probably stay at home moms and now they are not. You dont get to raise taxes, make byuing a house near impossible all trough the developed world, pretty much force both men and women to work to afford life and then expect people to have time to raise children. Who can raise a family on a 40k-50k salary? You underpay people, make the working class finance crazy expensive social welfare systems, raise prices on pretty much everything, ignore climate change and let mega corporations fuck up the environment unchecked which will soon cause a CRAZY environmental refugee crisis in Europe (that will make the current refugee crisis look like childs play) and then you think people will give birth to 6 children in the year 2023 when they have contraception? Yes even in the Nordic Countries all these things are taking place. Life will never be like the 1950s anymore, politicians who do nothing to help their local population should stop that wishful thinking that when they dont fix shit suddenly everything will fix itself.
It was lower in the early 1980’s in Denmark (economic crisis), than it is now. I would say the rates are pretty much constant in the past 30 years. Constantly below the 2.something, but still pretty much constant.
So when was it highest in those 30 years? Right before the economic crisis in 2008. So conclusion must be that uncertainty and lack of hope is a bad influence on fertility rates.
ppl want to experience life and children are burden.
Affordable house would be nice..
Sweden does pretty good relatively I think. Around 1.90 fertility rate and immigration has ensured that this generation won’t see a collapse into its current system. Unemployment and integration should be its focus from my point of view.
It would be nice to start a family if I could own a house for myself with my partner. But I cannot have a child while either living with my parents or sharing an apartment.
If Western civilization falls then the world will be overrun by religious extremists and is back to dark ages.
No problem. Immigrant babies would be enough.
Erdogan can send them couple of millions refugees if they ask nicely.
There is an inverse correlation between birth rates and standard of living.
Why shouldn’t they be falling in the Nordic countries though? What kind of argument is that even, it makes perfect sense that they are falling there if you understood anything about why birthrates are generally falling in most places.
Well surprise surprise.
We wanted women in the workforce, than we made sure women HAD to work fulltime, cause a dual income is needed to sustain a family. Than we continue a traditional role pattern leaving the woman with 80% of household and child rearing on top of a full time job.
The previous generation still has their mothers at home, who could look after the grandchildren. This generation has to pay for daycare. Housing has become so expensive that younger people still live with their parents well into adulthood and those who move out sit in tiny rental apartments. No room for children. No money for children. No time for children.
And now we are surprised that women chose not to have children and call them selfish. Thanks a lot society, damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
A living wage and affordable housing would be a great starter.
Yeah I’m very much looking forward to life with my parents my wife and kids in the same flat. While being in the highest Tax bracket
How can you expect people to have more than one child with the current state of affairs
People can’t have a decent house or living conditions to be able to create a family. The billionaire corporations prefer to harvest all the money and let population and society collapse
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Modern society needs to come to terms with the fact that infinite growth is unsustainable.
We need to create a system that works even with fewer people.
It would even be good at preventing wars. Fewer people means that each one of them is more valuable, meaning that world leaders are less likely to want to waste their lives on a struggle.
Maybe its time to accept that people have fewer children and stop being so obsessed with women birthing future wage slaves. The article mentions that Spanish women in the 70s had on average 3 children, now they have 1. Well many Spanish women in the 70s were probably stay at home moms and now they are not. You dont get to raise taxes, make byuing a house near impossible all trough the developed world, pretty much force both men and women to work to afford life and then expect people to have time to raise children. Who can raise a family on a 40k-50k salary? You underpay people, make the working class finance crazy expensive social welfare systems, raise prices on pretty much everything, ignore climate change and let mega corporations fuck up the environment unchecked which will soon cause a CRAZY environmental refugee crisis in Europe (that will make the current refugee crisis look like childs play) and then you think people will give birth to 6 children in the year 2023 when they have contraception? Yes even in the Nordic Countries all these things are taking place. Life will never be like the 1950s anymore, politicians who do nothing to help their local population should stop that wishful thinking that when they dont fix shit suddenly everything will fix itself.
It was lower in the early 1980’s in Denmark (economic crisis), than it is now. I would say the rates are pretty much constant in the past 30 years. Constantly below the 2.something, but still pretty much constant.
So when was it highest in those 30 years? Right before the economic crisis in 2008. So conclusion must be that uncertainty and lack of hope is a bad influence on fertility rates.
https://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/emner/borgere/befolkning/fertilitet
ppl want to experience life and children are burden.
Affordable house would be nice..
Sweden does pretty good relatively I think. Around 1.90 fertility rate and immigration has ensured that this generation won’t see a collapse into its current system. Unemployment and integration should be its focus from my point of view.
It would be nice to start a family if I could own a house for myself with my partner. But I cannot have a child while either living with my parents or sharing an apartment.
If Western civilization falls then the world will be overrun by religious extremists and is back to dark ages.
No problem. Immigrant babies would be enough.
Erdogan can send them couple of millions refugees if they ask nicely.
There is an inverse correlation between birth rates and standard of living.
Why shouldn’t they be falling in the Nordic countries though? What kind of argument is that even, it makes perfect sense that they are falling there if you understood anything about why birthrates are generally falling in most places.
Well surprise surprise.
We wanted women in the workforce, than we made sure women HAD to work fulltime, cause a dual income is needed to sustain a family. Than we continue a traditional role pattern leaving the woman with 80% of household and child rearing on top of a full time job.
The previous generation still has their mothers at home, who could look after the grandchildren. This generation has to pay for daycare. Housing has become so expensive that younger people still live with their parents well into adulthood and those who move out sit in tiny rental apartments. No room for children. No money for children. No time for children.
And now we are surprised that women chose not to have children and call them selfish. Thanks a lot society, damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
A living wage and affordable housing would be a great starter.
Yeah I’m very much looking forward to life with my parents my wife and kids in the same flat. While being in the highest Tax bracket
How can you expect people to have more than one child with the current state of affairs
People can’t have a decent house or living conditions to be able to create a family. The billionaire corporations prefer to harvest all the money and let population and society collapse