> According to the Ptoukha Institute for Demography and Social Studies of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, Ukraine had a population of 28-34 million (within the country, as of January 1, 2022).
Last I checked, Ukraine had well over 40m inhabitants before the war and is estimated to have 36m now.
I’ve heard that they are down 6 million ish. But they will only keep losing people if the war goes on. This is precisely Russias goal.
The ultimate objective of poopin.
While it is possible they will hit 24 million, Ukraine, Russia and several other Eastern European countries are in population decline. Why? They haven’t had enough children to replace their parents since the 1980s. Two things drove this. Economic downturns like in the 1990s and the never ending migration to the cities. (A third is the brain drain to countries with a higher standard of living.)
On a farm, children are free labor. In cities, children are an additional drain on finances. My wife’s grandmother grew up during the Holodomor. She wound up having eight children, and one or two was expected to die along the way. My mother-in-law had 3 during the 1970s and 1980s. My wife had one. Can you tell when the family started living in the city? Of course, this war is wiping out the young men of both Ukraine and Russia.
It is a disaster for both countries over a war that Putin thought would be quick, and he won’t end because he knows he will be thrown out of power if he does. His biggest fear is ending like Moammar Qadhafi.
At some point European countries will discuss sending people. Always was the goal.
When I was a kid, a popular TV channel (1+1) had a slogan – “You’re not alone, there are 52 million of us”. I still think of Ukraine having 52 million people living here even though it hasn’t been the case for years. I can’t believe that now it’s just half of that and I’m not even 30 yet…
If I were allowed to work my job remotely I’d like to move to Ukraine
I know now is not the time to talk about this, but in the future when Ukraine joins the EU will they be open to accepting refugees like how Germany did? Could help bring its population and economy back up.
Uh yes, the birth rate is down by quite a bit, plus many people have left the country until the war is over.
May as well write an article titled, “Things In Ukraine Not Entirely Normal These Days.”
Sell it to The Onion.
Between this and the looming end of American assistance, this is why we may have to compromise, and soon.
It’s time to start rebuilding the country, what’s left of it.
I don’t want a 5-year war of attrition only for the Russians to take Odessa, Kharkiv, and Dnipro in the end when the world leaves us out to dry. And us ending up with a rump state of 10 million people with no access to the sea.
As a contrarian view, you can ask if shrinking population is all bad. Ukraine’s GDP will be expanding at the same time, and the two trends mean increasing GDP per capita. With the influx of reconstruction capital, a burgeoning arms industry, and natural gas wealth, Ukraine may well find itself on a trajectory similar to Norway.
Since the war started, new babies in Ukraine has plummeted too.
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> According to the Ptoukha Institute for Demography and Social Studies of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, Ukraine had a population of 28-34 million (within the country, as of January 1, 2022).
Last I checked, Ukraine had well over 40m inhabitants before the war and is estimated to have 36m now.
I’ve heard that they are down 6 million ish. But they will only keep losing people if the war goes on. This is precisely Russias goal.
The ultimate objective of poopin.
While it is possible they will hit 24 million, Ukraine, Russia and several other Eastern European countries are in population decline. Why? They haven’t had enough children to replace their parents since the 1980s. Two things drove this. Economic downturns like in the 1990s and the never ending migration to the cities. (A third is the brain drain to countries with a higher standard of living.)
On a farm, children are free labor. In cities, children are an additional drain on finances. My wife’s grandmother grew up during the Holodomor. She wound up having eight children, and one or two was expected to die along the way. My mother-in-law had 3 during the 1970s and 1980s. My wife had one. Can you tell when the family started living in the city? Of course, this war is wiping out the young men of both Ukraine and Russia.
It is a disaster for both countries over a war that Putin thought would be quick, and he won’t end because he knows he will be thrown out of power if he does. His biggest fear is ending like Moammar Qadhafi.
At some point European countries will discuss sending people. Always was the goal.
When I was a kid, a popular TV channel (1+1) had a slogan – “You’re not alone, there are 52 million of us”. I still think of Ukraine having 52 million people living here even though it hasn’t been the case for years. I can’t believe that now it’s just half of that and I’m not even 30 yet…
If I were allowed to work my job remotely I’d like to move to Ukraine
I know now is not the time to talk about this, but in the future when Ukraine joins the EU will they be open to accepting refugees like how Germany did? Could help bring its population and economy back up.
Uh yes, the birth rate is down by quite a bit, plus many people have left the country until the war is over.
May as well write an article titled, “Things In Ukraine Not Entirely Normal These Days.”
Sell it to The Onion.
Between this and the looming end of American assistance, this is why we may have to compromise, and soon.
It’s time to start rebuilding the country, what’s left of it.
I don’t want a 5-year war of attrition only for the Russians to take Odessa, Kharkiv, and Dnipro in the end when the world leaves us out to dry. And us ending up with a rump state of 10 million people with no access to the sea.
As a contrarian view, you can ask if shrinking population is all bad. Ukraine’s GDP will be expanding at the same time, and the two trends mean increasing GDP per capita. With the influx of reconstruction capital, a burgeoning arms industry, and natural gas wealth, Ukraine may well find itself on a trajectory similar to Norway.
Since the war started, new babies in Ukraine has plummeted too.