You’re gonna make lots of Sweden haters angry with this one
Get ready for far-right radical downvotes cause it does not fit their narrative. They will show you the assault rate but never gonna show you for example homicide rate(Real deal)which is almost double in Poland and Hungary or Romania almost triple of Sweden. They are also completely aware how Sweden recording every single small incident, while other three is ignoring and not recording unless there is something very serious.
Good to show some data to go with the recent surge in discussion. I’m asking this out of good faith and I hate having to mention that, however: does similar data exist for explosive attacks?
Edit: is there data going past 2020 as well?
Your argument being: “but it’s not any worse than decades ago!!”
(meanwhile, homicides, especially gun killings have significantly diminished all over EU)
“if you’re scared at weekly bombings and shootings you’re a racist” is an interesting argument, surely one that will do well in elections.
Now add handgrenades, IEDs and other explosives.
1. Being almost the the same level as in 90’s is high.
2. You are aware that there is a visible rise from 2013-23
3. This data would make more sense if compared to other European countries so we can see the general trend
4. Thanks for sharing
Sweden is doing just fine. I’m an Italian living in Sweden and it’s better than Italy has ever been since I was born. People like to exaggerate, especially when it comes to Scandinavian countries, I’m not sure why, maybe it’s a way to promote unnecessary fear against immigrants/Muslim like other European countries, but Nordic people are different 😉
A sign of a progressive country and society is homicide and violence trending downwards (towards zero crime). This is shown in the chart from.the 1980s all the way to early 2010s. After that it reversed the trend and started going UP. I wonder what changed in the 2010s?
Ok so the entire Swedish criminal underworld just had a vacation in 2012 and other than that the trend have been quite flat since 1995.
It’s always good to see some data go against the narrative of “it used to be much safer!” Obviously we should still try it it best to in fact make it much safer.
Per article: “None of the other countries included in the study have experienced comparable increases.” The report said a decline in other forms of deadly violence, including knife crime, had masked the rise in fatal shootings
“Over the past decades, the number of reported crimes in Sweden generally increased, which can be explained by several factors: a significant increase in the Swedish population, which naturally results in more crime and convicted criminals, as well as a new culture of reporting crimes to the authorities. Considering the last 10 years, the total number of reported crimes increased slightly from 2015 to 2020, but the number of crimes per 100,000 inhabitant remained relatively stable. Despite this, Sweden has received increased international attention due to increasing gang violence in its biggest cities Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö. A quick look at the number of shootings over the past six years shows that the number of fatalities in shootings reached a new record in 2022. Moreover, a report published by the Swedish national council for crime prevention in 2021 found that Sweden was the only European country in which the number of fatal shootings per 100,000 inhabitant increased since 2000. ” https://www.statista.com/topics/7088/crime-in-sweden/#topicOverview
You litterally cherrypicked the only stat that confirmed your biases, and you conveniently cut it off before it showed the sharp increase
Hi u/paskal007r, I commend you for showing the actual data but I do have to say you’re wasting your energies. I also did try, multiple times, to denounce the shocking blatant racism going on this sub and posting actual data showing that there is no “crime crisis” in Sweden AND the usual arguments that people use in response to this are also wrong (e.g. rates in Denmark are similar AND similarly flat).
But to no avail. People don’t care and mods either don’t care as well or can’t do anything because being “not racist but” and misinformed is not against the sub’s rules. You either end up downvoted to hell, ignored, or banned.
So what will happen is anyone who wants to have an informed discussion will move away elsewhere and this sub will turn into /pol/ lite. Slowly but surely. And then one day hopefully it’ll be quarantined but I don’t count on it. I suggest you to leave as well for your own mental sanity.
Looks like 2012 was an outlier. It happens.
Its about the surge of the violence getting worse. More kids are dying now and more explosives are being used. They found 3 teen boys in the woods. Like thats unheard of man.
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“För antalet detonationer särredovisas förberedelser, försök och genomförda sprängningar i polisens statistik. Den sammanlagda totalen av dessa brottstyper uppgår till och med första halvan av september 2023 till 253 stycken. Det kan jämföras med totalt 154 år 2018; 242 år 2019; 209 år 2020; 158 år 2021 samt 191 stycken år 2022.”
253 detonations 2023 (year is not over)
209 in 2020.
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We are “just” 10 million people. One more explosion is a lot and swedes are non violent and non confrontational.
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It’s not a far right conspiracy. They obviously will ride they wave to gain but does not make it untrue that swedens criminals violence gotten worse.
So what happened in 2008 and 2013? Nice downward trend starting 2008 followed by a substantial rise starting in 2013.
”In the early 2000s, Sweden’s overall level (of fatal firearm violence) was well below the European average, but is slightly higher at the end of the period – corresponding to
11 deaths per million inhabitants (compared to just under 8 deaths per million
million inhabitants in Europe on average). Similar but more significant
differences between the first and second part of the period are also
observed for fatal firearm violence. At the beginning of the period
an average of 3 people per million population were shot dead in Europe; in Sweden it was 2 people. This number has doubled over the years studied in Sweden, while in Europe it has dropped to around 1.6 deaths per million inhabitants. The fact that there has been a reduction and equalization in the levels of lethal violence in Europe has been identified previously (see e.g. Aebi and Linde 2014). The analysis here shows that the same is also true for lethal firearm violence.”
So at the start of the period Swedish gun deaths where below the European average and now we are above. Judging by recent developments I doubt we’ve reversed that trend since 2017, if anything we are even further from the rest of Europe.
So are you saying all of Swedish media and government is spreading misinformation about the situation?
Crime and Society is complicated. It’s weird to me how scared people are, compared to the actual danger. Homicide rates, where much higher in the middle of the 20th century. Yet people tell me all the time how unsafe today is compared to their youth. Your actual chance of becoming a victim of a major crime and your feeling of safety are not the same thing. Nobody was scared shitless in 1990 in Sweden, so it does not make sense to completely lose our heads now.
Does that mean we can’t further reduce crime and talk about gang related shootings and explosions? No of course not, but let’s not get carried away.
what happened in the late 00s to 2020-2011 that things were looking well?
Ok so this is the graph you represented showing MURDER rates in Sweden.
Now if we take one of your most favourable comparisons beeing 2013 with a medium overall homicide rate and a lower gun death rate and 2020 with a high homicide rate and a constant gun death rate and adjust the numbers per populace we get:
acording to the other graphs the number of gun deaths is 2013 is 26
that leaves us with 26 / 86 homicides beeing gun related meaning aprox 30%
2020:
10350000 / 100000 * 1.2 = 124 homicides rounded down
and the number of gun deaths beeing 47
that leaves us with 47 / 124 homicides beeing gun related meaning aprox 38%
that is an increase in the rate of gun death in relation to total homicides of 8%, that is taking one of the baset cases possible for your point. so if you want to say that an almost 10% increase in gun deaths in your best case scenario is just business as usual, then sure things are absolutely peachy.
And just to be sure that i am gonna get called a nazi and a fascist, if you look at the exact graph you showed us you’ll see direct corelation, not causality mind you, between the narative of the “Nazis” and the actual numbers, because i would be incredibly interested if anyone can explain to me the constant drop in homicide rates from 2009 to 2012 to historic levels and then the increase from 2012 to 2015 and then it remaining above the baseline.
The problem is that this is all fun and games doing math showing graphs calling people racists while those little numbers and procentages show literal people dying. you can juggle the numbers to show whatever narative you want tbh but those 40+ people getting killed anually in Sweden sure as hell don’t give a shit about your numbers, neither do their friends and families, or the hundreds of people that got shot.
But hey if the price of not beeing called a racist bigot is just a few people gunned down in the street, maybe it’s worth the cost, what do you think ?
I also don’t care so much this is just how i see things, i’m from Romania we have enough shit happening here without having immigrants or gun violence so i should not be one to talk, but i for sure looked at western europe and the nordic countries with hope that someday maybe this will get better, but now it seems that everything sucks everywhere and people are getting complaces with it, so it is what it is i guess.
Why does it always go UP and then DOWN like a bounce ball?
They also have problems with explosives that gangs use. Not only firearms
These people will literally do anything just to support immigration
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sauce here
[https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SWE/sweden/murder-homicide-rate](https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SWE/sweden/murder-homicide-rate)
so if you saw this other post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/16ytapk/swedens_deadly_gun_violence/](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/16ytapk/swedens_deadly_gun_violence/)
well, it’s kinda like this [https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-G4RPQn6hDPk/UMaK8wdNAXI/AAAAAAAAPIU/0JevjOh_cq8/s640/Mainstream+media.png](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-G4RPQn6hDPk/UMaK8wdNAXI/AAAAAAAAPIU/0JevjOh_cq8/s640/Mainstream+media.png)
The picture changes A LOT if you just zoom out.
Fucking racists.
You’re gonna make lots of Sweden haters angry with this one
Get ready for far-right radical downvotes cause it does not fit their narrative. They will show you the assault rate but never gonna show you for example homicide rate(Real deal)which is almost double in Poland and Hungary or Romania almost triple of Sweden. They are also completely aware how Sweden recording every single small incident, while other three is ignoring and not recording unless there is something very serious.
Good to show some data to go with the recent surge in discussion. I’m asking this out of good faith and I hate having to mention that, however: does similar data exist for explosive attacks?
Edit: is there data going past 2020 as well?
Your argument being: “but it’s not any worse than decades ago!!”
(meanwhile, homicides, especially gun killings have significantly diminished all over EU)
“if you’re scared at weekly bombings and shootings you’re a racist” is an interesting argument, surely one that will do well in elections.
Now add handgrenades, IEDs and other explosives.
1. Being almost the the same level as in 90’s is high.
2. You are aware that there is a visible rise from 2013-23
3. This data would make more sense if compared to other European countries so we can see the general trend
4. Thanks for sharing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden#/media/File:Sweden-crime-1976-2016-robbery-sex-murder.svg
Sweden is doing just fine. I’m an Italian living in Sweden and it’s better than Italy has ever been since I was born. People like to exaggerate, especially when it comes to Scandinavian countries, I’m not sure why, maybe it’s a way to promote unnecessary fear against immigrants/Muslim like other European countries, but Nordic people are different 😉
A sign of a progressive country and society is homicide and violence trending downwards (towards zero crime). This is shown in the chart from.the 1980s all the way to early 2010s. After that it reversed the trend and started going UP. I wonder what changed in the 2010s?
Ok so the entire Swedish criminal underworld just had a vacation in 2012 and other than that the trend have been quite flat since 1995.
It’s always good to see some data go against the narrative of “it used to be much safer!” Obviously we should still try it it best to in fact make it much safer.
Bruh, even The Guardian is reporting it
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/26/fatal-shootings-have-risen-in-sweden-despite-fall-across-europe-report-finds
Per article: “None of the other countries included in the study have experienced comparable increases.” The report said a decline in other forms of deadly violence, including knife crime, had masked the rise in fatal shootings
“Over the past decades, the number of reported crimes in Sweden generally increased, which can be explained by several factors: a significant increase in the Swedish population, which naturally results in more crime and convicted criminals, as well as a new culture of reporting crimes to the authorities. Considering the last 10 years, the total number of reported crimes increased slightly from 2015 to 2020, but the number of crimes per 100,000 inhabitant remained relatively stable. Despite this, Sweden has received increased international attention due to increasing gang violence in its biggest cities Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö. A quick look at the number of shootings over the past six years shows that the number of fatalities in shootings reached a new record in 2022. Moreover, a report published by the Swedish national council for crime prevention in 2021 found that Sweden was the only European country in which the number of fatal shootings per 100,000 inhabitant increased since 2000. ”
https://www.statista.com/topics/7088/crime-in-sweden/#topicOverview
You litterally cherrypicked the only stat that confirmed your biases, and you conveniently cut it off before it showed the sharp increase
Hi u/paskal007r, I commend you for showing the actual data but I do have to say you’re wasting your energies. I also did try, multiple times, to denounce the shocking blatant racism going on this sub and posting actual data showing that there is no “crime crisis” in Sweden AND the usual arguments that people use in response to this are also wrong (e.g. rates in Denmark are similar AND similarly flat).
But to no avail. People don’t care and mods either don’t care as well or can’t do anything because being “not racist but” and misinformed is not against the sub’s rules. You either end up downvoted to hell, ignored, or banned.
So what will happen is anyone who wants to have an informed discussion will move away elsewhere and this sub will turn into /pol/ lite. Slowly but surely. And then one day hopefully it’ll be quarantined but I don’t count on it. I suggest you to leave as well for your own mental sanity.
Looks like 2012 was an outlier. It happens.
Its about the surge of the violence getting worse. More kids are dying now and more explosives are being used. They found 3 teen boys in the woods. Like thats unheard of man.
​
“För antalet detonationer särredovisas förberedelser, försök och genomförda sprängningar i polisens statistik. Den sammanlagda totalen av dessa brottstyper uppgår till och med första halvan av september 2023 till 253 stycken. Det kan jämföras med totalt 154 år 2018; 242 år 2019; 209 år 2020; 158 år 2021 samt 191 stycken år 2022.”
253 detonations 2023 (year is not over)
209 in 2020.
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We are “just” 10 million people. One more explosion is a lot and swedes are non violent and non confrontational.
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It’s not a far right conspiracy. They obviously will ride they wave to gain but does not make it untrue that swedens criminals violence gotten worse.
So what happened in 2008 and 2013? Nice downward trend starting 2008 followed by a substantial rise starting in 2013.
Check page 39 in the pdf you keep posting [https://bra.se/download/18.1f8c9903175f8b2aa70c9a1/1629181100220/2021_8_Dodligt_skjutvapenvald_i_Sverige_och_andra_europeiska_lander.pdf](https://bra.se/download/18.1f8c9903175f8b2aa70c9a1/1629181100220/2021_8_Dodligt_skjutvapenvald_i_Sverige_och_andra_europeiska_lander.pdf) for a chart that compares the gun violence in Europe and Sweden between 2000-2017. I’ll translate from the document so that people can understand:
”In the early 2000s, Sweden’s overall level (of fatal firearm violence) was well below the European average, but is slightly higher at the end of the period – corresponding to
11 deaths per million inhabitants (compared to just under 8 deaths per million
million inhabitants in Europe on average). Similar but more significant
differences between the first and second part of the period are also
observed for fatal firearm violence. At the beginning of the period
an average of 3 people per million population were shot dead in Europe; in Sweden it was 2 people. This number has doubled over the years studied in Sweden, while in Europe it has dropped to around 1.6 deaths per million inhabitants. The fact that there has been a reduction and equalization in the levels of lethal violence in Europe has been identified previously (see e.g. Aebi and Linde 2014). The analysis here shows that the same is also true for lethal firearm violence.”
So at the start of the period Swedish gun deaths where below the European average and now we are above. Judging by recent developments I doubt we’ve reversed that trend since 2017, if anything we are even further from the rest of Europe.
Do bombings next!
Now do granades.
The Swedish [homicide rate is double as high as the German one](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/homicide-rate-who-mortality-database?tab=chart&country=DEU~SWE). Wtf?
So are you saying all of Swedish media and government is spreading misinformation about the situation?
Crime and Society is complicated. It’s weird to me how scared people are, compared to the actual danger. Homicide rates, where much higher in the middle of the 20th century. Yet people tell me all the time how unsafe today is compared to their youth. Your actual chance of becoming a victim of a major crime and your feeling of safety are not the same thing. Nobody was scared shitless in 1990 in Sweden, so it does not make sense to completely lose our heads now.
Does that mean we can’t further reduce crime and talk about gang related shootings and explosions? No of course not, but let’s not get carried away.
what happened in the late 00s to 2020-2011 that things were looking well?
Ok so this is the graph you represented showing MURDER rates in Sweden.
[https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SWE/sweden/murder-homicide-rate](https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SWE/sweden/murder-homicide-rate)
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but here are these 2 graphs showing the numbers of actual gun deaths in Sweden from 2011 to 2017 and 2017 to 2022
[https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Comparison-of-firearm-related-homicide-between-Sweden-Norway-Finland-and-Denmark-A_fig5_331869471](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Comparison-of-firearm-related-homicide-between-Sweden-Norway-Finland-and-Denmark-A_fig5_331869471)
[https://www.statista.com/statistics/1178223/number-of-shootings-in-sweden/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1178223/number-of-shootings-in-sweden/)
Now if we take one of your most favourable comparisons beeing 2013 with a medium overall homicide rate and a lower gun death rate and 2020 with a high homicide rate and a constant gun death rate and adjust the numbers per populace we get:
2012:
9.600.000 / 100.000 * 0.9 = 86 homicides rounded down.
acording to the other graphs the number of gun deaths is 2013 is 26
that leaves us with 26 / 86 homicides beeing gun related meaning aprox 30%
2020:
10350000 / 100000 * 1.2 = 124 homicides rounded down
and the number of gun deaths beeing 47
that leaves us with 47 / 124 homicides beeing gun related meaning aprox 38%
that is an increase in the rate of gun death in relation to total homicides of 8%, that is taking one of the baset cases possible for your point. so if you want to say that an almost 10% increase in gun deaths in your best case scenario is just business as usual, then sure things are absolutely peachy.
And just to be sure that i am gonna get called a nazi and a fascist, if you look at the exact graph you showed us you’ll see direct corelation, not causality mind you, between the narative of the “Nazis” and the actual numbers, because i would be incredibly interested if anyone can explain to me the constant drop in homicide rates from 2009 to 2012 to historic levels and then the increase from 2012 to 2015 and then it remaining above the baseline.
The problem is that this is all fun and games doing math showing graphs calling people racists while those little numbers and procentages show literal people dying. you can juggle the numbers to show whatever narative you want tbh but those 40+ people getting killed anually in Sweden sure as hell don’t give a shit about your numbers, neither do their friends and families, or the hundreds of people that got shot.
But hey if the price of not beeing called a racist bigot is just a few people gunned down in the street, maybe it’s worth the cost, what do you think ?
I also don’t care so much this is just how i see things, i’m from Romania we have enough shit happening here without having immigrants or gun violence so i should not be one to talk, but i for sure looked at western europe and the nordic countries with hope that someday maybe this will get better, but now it seems that everything sucks everywhere and people are getting complaces with it, so it is what it is i guess.
Why does it always go UP and then DOWN like a bounce ball?
They also have problems with explosives that gangs use. Not only firearms
These people will literally do anything just to support immigration