>According to the Baku authorities, an anti-Azerbaijani atmosphere would have been created in the five-party format proposed
Yeah, that’s what I thought. It is mainly because of France.
Basically Azerbaijan says: “If Armenia is bringing their big bro (i.e. France), we also want to bring our big bro (i.e. Turkey)”
But organizers didn’t want to invite Turkey, so Azerbaijan also decided not to participate.
Which obviously means that the guy who was “only caring about his territorial integrity” just doesn’t want to sign a peace agreement and define the borders firmly.
Let’s try guessing why???
In my opinion Armenia needs to repair and improve relations with Turks, countries ( TR, AZ, AM ) can open their border gates mutually for trade, tourism, education, especially for peace.
Russia, USA, EU don’t want stability for the Caucasus, they are only interested in the power war between them.
Armenian or Turkish citizens have equal rights as much as western nations.
We see Armenian culture as richness in Turkey ( foods, churcs, art etc. ) like other cultures in Turkey coming from Ottoman.
Please check this titles ;
Asimilasyon ve Göç: Bulgaristan Türkleri’nin Öyküsü – Günün Haberleri (cnnturk.com) 350.000 Turks came from Bulgaria in 1989.
Türkiye-Yunanistan nüfus mübadelesi – Vikipedi (wikipedia.org) 1.200.000 Greeks and 500.000 Turks changed their countries in 1923.
Kıbrıs Harekâtı – Vikipedi (wikipedia.org) Cyprus War 800 Turks and 4000 Greeks dead in 1974.
Greeks, Bulgarians, Georgians or Turks don’t forget history but working together, they get rich together not only about money, about culture and future.
This is basic example for Turkis citizens,
Türk vatandaşları tatil için hangi ülkelere gidiyor? – 29.03.2019, Sputnk Türkiye
Which countries Turks visit as a tourist ; 1.Bulgaria 2.Greece 3.Georgia
He knows EU needs his gas. Sorry Armenians. To rely on EU and West for security was a mistake, as was pissing off Russia and Iran.
Why is the EU getting involved? Also, not even attempting to be neutral is a stupid move. Giving France prominence when they are an Armenian ally and not balancing that with Turkey is sheer stupidity. Completely needless own goal. Honestly, the EU should stay out of things if it can’t be neutral.
Context is Azerbaijan had agreed to EU mediation since a few years ago, these talks have been ongoing for a while now.
Now Azerbaijan rejected this highly anticipated EU-mediated peace talks which was about agreeing to mutual recognition of territorial integrity and delimitation of borders with Armenia.
Turkey and Azerbaijan favour the Russia-Iran-Turkey “mediated” platform otherwise called the 3+3, which involves Russia, Turkey and Iran literally ganging up against Georgia and Armenia.
Georgia and Armenia both reject that “platform”. Both value sovereignty and democracy.
Armenia obviously favours the US and EU mediation and sees both Turkey and Russia as endangering its sovereignty.
This agreement would’ve been almost the closing of this conflict, and yet Azerbaijan once again, as history shows, has torpedoed it.
For those who still don’t have things clear: Turkey and Russia have always been rivals but they also always have had mutual interests, in this case the mutual interests involves keeping the west outside of the South Caucasus. Next time you read around here how Armenia is a Russian ally and Turkey is a western ally, keep this in mind.
Turkey and Russia are using Azerbaijan to force Armenia to cede sovereignty of its southern region for a corridor which will be controlled by Russia.
This is Azerbaijan’s masks off moment for the whole EU to witness, of what the reality of this conflict has been about (Hint: it was never about Karabakh nor the Goebbeled-to-death “territorial integrity” of Azerbaijan). And Turkey’s antagonism against EU and western interests is already well known.
The Turkish mask is dropping. They tried so hard to play innocent, seems like the propaganda and the caviar policy is going to waste. Hope Azeri people will have bread on their table and no Russian flags on their flagpoles 🙃
Are these guys stupid enough to propose such talks but refusing invitation of Turkey to talks to balance pro-armenia vibe in talks? Such clowns lol.
This is the beginning of the end for the dictator.
Moustache=no Beard=maybe
France was going to try and lecture Azerbaijan, meanwhile they are still in africa looting that place dry to this day, no one wants to listen to France giving moral lectures 🤣
trick won’t work against mustachioed bros
What’s the point, the conflict is over now. There’s not much left to discuss
Erdogan said he was “too busy” to visit Granada, and then this news comes out.
All the mentally challenged cretins spewing bullshit and calling France pro-Armenian, Armenia’s ally, Armenia’s big brother etc: weren’t you the ones until yesterday saying that role belonged to Russia? Weren’t you the ones spamming this sub saying that the EU shouldn’t get involved because Armenia is Russia’s ally? What happened? Is France now their ally? Is the EU? Would that make Azerbaijan a true Russian ally like THEY F***ING ARE as of 2022? When the two dictators made their alliance official just two days before the INVASION OF UKRAINE? Get your story straight. Armenia is ready to sign a document and recognise its borders with Azerbaijan, something they do since 1991 Almaty agreement. Why the hell is the Caspian dictator against it? Why doesn’t he recognise Armenia’s territorial integrity?
Just give Armenians a couple of Nukes and that’s it. Let see if the turkoids will have the guts to genocide them again.
Karabakh is the territory of azerbaijan and all countries recognise this. what azerbaijan wants to do on its territory is nobody’s business, including armenia. azerbaijan has already regained its territory and it is almost impossible to lose it now. in my opinion, armenia has no other way but to recognise the territorial integrity of azerbaijan.
is it really eu’s problem?
Of course they rejected it, they don’t want peace.
I think Europe and the West are fucked up on solving issues. They didn’t solve anything in the last 30 years in the Caucasus. I am personally pro-West but hypocrisies on this topic for both sides have been shit. 3 peacekeeping rulers in the last 30 years been France(pro-Armenia), US(balanced but still Armenian lobby power pushed them), and Russia(problem creator and Armenian ally on legal terms). I would prefer something like Vietnam-Japan-Korea for peacekeeping. They don’t depend on anything, not Christians or Muslims. This is a reality now. Now Azebaijan have balanced politics and it solves many things. Because no one did anything for 1 million Azeri refugees. Now no one cares!
Talk about what? They won.
There is no “situation” anymore. After 35 years the “situation” has been resolved.
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>According to the Baku authorities, an anti-Azerbaijani atmosphere would have been created in the five-party format proposed
Yeah, that’s what I thought. It is mainly because of France.
Basically Azerbaijan says: “If Armenia is bringing their big bro (i.e. France), we also want to bring our big bro (i.e. Turkey)”
But organizers didn’t want to invite Turkey, so Azerbaijan also decided not to participate.
Which obviously means that the guy who was “only caring about his territorial integrity” just doesn’t want to sign a peace agreement and define the borders firmly.
Let’s try guessing why???
In my opinion Armenia needs to repair and improve relations with Turks, countries ( TR, AZ, AM ) can open their border gates mutually for trade, tourism, education, especially for peace.
Russia, USA, EU don’t want stability for the Caucasus, they are only interested in the power war between them.
Armenian or Turkish citizens have equal rights as much as western nations.
We see Armenian culture as richness in Turkey ( foods, churcs, art etc. ) like other cultures in Turkey coming from Ottoman.
Please check this titles ;
Asimilasyon ve Göç: Bulgaristan Türkleri’nin Öyküsü – Günün Haberleri (cnnturk.com) 350.000 Turks came from Bulgaria in 1989.
Türkiye-Yunanistan nüfus mübadelesi – Vikipedi (wikipedia.org) 1.200.000 Greeks and 500.000 Turks changed their countries in 1923.
Kıbrıs Harekâtı – Vikipedi (wikipedia.org) Cyprus War 800 Turks and 4000 Greeks dead in 1974.
Greeks, Bulgarians, Georgians or Turks don’t forget history but working together, they get rich together not only about money, about culture and future.
This is basic example for Turkis citizens,
Türk vatandaşları tatil için hangi ülkelere gidiyor? – 29.03.2019, Sputnk Türkiye
Which countries Turks visit as a tourist ; 1.Bulgaria 2.Greece 3.Georgia
He knows EU needs his gas. Sorry Armenians. To rely on EU and West for security was a mistake, as was pissing off Russia and Iran.
Why is the EU getting involved? Also, not even attempting to be neutral is a stupid move. Giving France prominence when they are an Armenian ally and not balancing that with Turkey is sheer stupidity. Completely needless own goal. Honestly, the EU should stay out of things if it can’t be neutral.
Context is Azerbaijan had agreed to EU mediation since a few years ago, these talks have been ongoing for a while now.
Now Azerbaijan rejected this highly anticipated EU-mediated peace talks which was about agreeing to mutual recognition of territorial integrity and delimitation of borders with Armenia.
Turkey and Azerbaijan favour the Russia-Iran-Turkey “mediated” platform otherwise called the 3+3, which involves Russia, Turkey and Iran literally ganging up against Georgia and Armenia.
Georgia and Armenia both reject that “platform”. Both value sovereignty and democracy.
Armenia obviously favours the US and EU mediation and sees both Turkey and Russia as endangering its sovereignty.
This agreement would’ve been almost the closing of this conflict, and yet Azerbaijan once again, as history shows, has torpedoed it.
For those who still don’t have things clear: Turkey and Russia have always been rivals but they also always have had mutual interests, in this case the mutual interests involves keeping the west outside of the South Caucasus. Next time you read around here how Armenia is a Russian ally and Turkey is a western ally, keep this in mind.
Turkey and Russia are using Azerbaijan to force Armenia to cede sovereignty of its southern region for a corridor which will be controlled by Russia.
This is Azerbaijan’s masks off moment for the whole EU to witness, of what the reality of this conflict has been about (Hint: it was never about Karabakh nor the Goebbeled-to-death “territorial integrity” of Azerbaijan). And Turkey’s antagonism against EU and western interests is already well known.
The Turkish mask is dropping. They tried so hard to play innocent, seems like the propaganda and the caviar policy is going to waste. Hope Azeri people will have bread on their table and no Russian flags on their flagpoles 🙃
Are these guys stupid enough to propose such talks but refusing invitation of Turkey to talks to balance pro-armenia vibe in talks? Such clowns lol.
This is the beginning of the end for the dictator.
Moustache=no Beard=maybe
France was going to try and lecture Azerbaijan, meanwhile they are still in africa looting that place dry to this day, no one wants to listen to France giving moral lectures 🤣
trick won’t work against mustachioed bros
What’s the point, the conflict is over now. There’s not much left to discuss
Erdogan said he was “too busy” to visit Granada, and then this news comes out.
All the mentally challenged cretins spewing bullshit and calling France pro-Armenian, Armenia’s ally, Armenia’s big brother etc: weren’t you the ones until yesterday saying that role belonged to Russia? Weren’t you the ones spamming this sub saying that the EU shouldn’t get involved because Armenia is Russia’s ally? What happened? Is France now their ally? Is the EU? Would that make Azerbaijan a true Russian ally like THEY F***ING ARE as of 2022? When the two dictators made their alliance official just two days before the INVASION OF UKRAINE? Get your story straight. Armenia is ready to sign a document and recognise its borders with Azerbaijan, something they do since 1991 Almaty agreement. Why the hell is the Caspian dictator against it? Why doesn’t he recognise Armenia’s territorial integrity?
Just give Armenians a couple of Nukes and that’s it. Let see if the turkoids will have the guts to genocide them again.
Karabakh is the territory of azerbaijan and all countries recognise this. what azerbaijan wants to do on its territory is nobody’s business, including armenia. azerbaijan has already regained its territory and it is almost impossible to lose it now. in my opinion, armenia has no other way but to recognise the territorial integrity of azerbaijan.
is it really eu’s problem?
Of course they rejected it, they don’t want peace.
I think Europe and the West are fucked up on solving issues. They didn’t solve anything in the last 30 years in the Caucasus. I am personally pro-West but hypocrisies on this topic for both sides have been shit. 3 peacekeeping rulers in the last 30 years been France(pro-Armenia), US(balanced but still Armenian lobby power pushed them), and Russia(problem creator and Armenian ally on legal terms). I would prefer something like Vietnam-Japan-Korea for peacekeeping. They don’t depend on anything, not Christians or Muslims. This is a reality now. Now Azebaijan have balanced politics and it solves many things. Because no one did anything for 1 million Azeri refugees. Now no one cares!
Talk about what? They won.
There is no “situation” anymore. After 35 years the “situation” has been resolved.