I was just thinking “So what my food, energy and rent have all gone up and nothing seems to be being done to sort it. What I really care about is stopping 14 year olds from legally buying cigarettes when they they get to 78. So what if smoking rates are dropping already.”
In California, the state just taxed the hell out of cigarettes and then made it illegal to smoke almost everywhere. We have one of the lowest rates of smoking in the US.
This is over stepping the mark, I see the argument but where do we draw the line. I am a non smoker but if an adult chooses to smoke who is the government to tell them that they aren’t allowed.
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I hate smoking and even I’m against this.
It’s pure authoritarianism wrapped up in “we are doing the right thing” (something autocrats do a lot).
If a mentally sound adult wants to do something mildly unhealthy that only harms themselves while fully aware of it’s consequences, it’s heavily taxes in such a way that it pays for any potential medical treatment then there’s no real reason to ban it.
This is nanny state logic and you could apply the same logic to pretty much anything to a point where you’d have silly rules.
Most things we do, especially the enjoyable ones come with some health risk, especially if done enough & we should all be adult enough to decide these for ourselves.
We should all be concerned at a government that thinks it’s appropriate to even discuss exerting this level of control over its citizens.
Well, smoking is supposed to be the biggest cause of premature death these days, so I suppose making it illegal will cut the numbers a bit, but it seems over the top to me. And when exactly did banning something, or making it illegal ever stop it?
A imagine being the year before you are legal and forever never being able to smoke.
And also imagine having to show ID at 95 for a pack of ciggies
The externalities of smoking are more than covered by the taxes on their sale. Why do we need to bother with a ban.
I wonder if this will apply to tobacco products other than rolling tobacco and cigarettes.
Pipe tobacco, snuff and cigars seem to get away with the old packaging laws.
> Legislation passed by parliament on Tuesday means that anyone born after 2008 will never be able to buy cigarettes or tobacco products.
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> It will mean the number of people able to buy tobacco will shrink each year. By 2050, for example, 40-year-olds will be too young to buy cigarettes.
It’s also in line with the direction the EU is going.
> The EU’s goal to have a ‘Tobacco-free Generation’ by 2040 is set in Europe’s Beating Cancer Plan. Tobacco is known as “the single largest avoidable health risk in the EU”, with 27% of all cancers attributed to its use.
Wait a minute, they talked about this after New Zealand brought this in and they couldn’t even work it out, now it’s Sunaks idea wtf
The world is going to shit. There are no jobs, a shit economy, rampant corruption in politics and the world is slowly burning.
Smoke’em if you’ve got’em, I say.
Remember when New Zealand did it, everyone was full of praise?
This is actually a decent policy, but you can see someone going for an outright ban 30 years from now when there’s not enough smokers left to oppose it.
Won’t impact me because I’m not a smoker and I’ll be dead in 30 years anyway, but if you’ve smoked all your life as the last orbited year then someone decides to ban it, life might be hard.
I’m a non-smoker but I personally think you should just tax them to the extent that they cost the tax payer through health care etc (although that can be difficult to quantify because the average smoker lives fewer years on the pension), as morally and practically speaking just outright banning drugs is problematic
I smoke and this is great. Humans, the only animals to continually commit suicide in so many ways….
I think this is pretty fair. Either this, or any smokers who get smoking-related illnesses be given a bill from the NHS instead of the tax-payer paying for it.
But kids don’t smoke cigarettes, they all vape like chimneys, at least that’s what my teenage children tell me.
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So how does banning a generation from buying a product that they have no interest in help? Unless . . . does Sunak have a stake in a tobacco brand and what we have is a cunning reverse psychology marketing technique to make cigarettes more exclusive and appealing to kids. That devious bastard, trying to get my kids hooked on cigarettes, with his fancy marketing techniques.
Great idea, now we just need to ban alcohol, fast food and enforce daily exercise
The only policy I agree with from Rishi today. What a nob.
Indeed sunaks a cunt but this is actually half decent.
Why not do the same with the voting age? Then we’ll have a ‘Tory-free’ generation.
That’s great phase out smoking, increase the tax for smokers tenfold meanwhile offer free Cocaine to addicts..
Should we also raise the sugar tax each year to create a fatty free generation lol?
Well this is stupid. Do we want tobacco to go onto the black market because this is how tobacco goes onto the black market.
I have no issue with banning the sale of tobacco. If you want to smoke grow it your self. I don’t see why tobacco companies should profit from your addiction.
I think smoking is a disgusting habit but this is ridiculous. Ultimately it’s for people to make their own choice and if they can’t get cigarettes from a shop lots of people will just get them from a drug dealer like with cannabis. Any kind of ban will just make smoking cool again.
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I was just thinking “So what my food, energy and rent have all gone up and nothing seems to be being done to sort it. What I really care about is stopping 14 year olds from legally buying cigarettes when they they get to 78. So what if smoking rates are dropping already.”
In California, the state just taxed the hell out of cigarettes and then made it illegal to smoke almost everywhere. We have one of the lowest rates of smoking in the US.
This is over stepping the mark, I see the argument but where do we draw the line. I am a non smoker but if an adult chooses to smoke who is the government to tell them that they aren’t allowed.
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I hate smoking and even I’m against this.
It’s pure authoritarianism wrapped up in “we are doing the right thing” (something autocrats do a lot).
If a mentally sound adult wants to do something mildly unhealthy that only harms themselves while fully aware of it’s consequences, it’s heavily taxes in such a way that it pays for any potential medical treatment then there’s no real reason to ban it.
This is nanny state logic and you could apply the same logic to pretty much anything to a point where you’d have silly rules.
Most things we do, especially the enjoyable ones come with some health risk, especially if done enough & we should all be adult enough to decide these for ourselves.
We should all be concerned at a government that thinks it’s appropriate to even discuss exerting this level of control over its citizens.
Well, smoking is supposed to be the biggest cause of premature death these days, so I suppose making it illegal will cut the numbers a bit, but it seems over the top to me. And when exactly did banning something, or making it illegal ever stop it?
A imagine being the year before you are legal and forever never being able to smoke.
And also imagine having to show ID at 95 for a pack of ciggies
The externalities of smoking are more than covered by the taxes on their sale. Why do we need to bother with a ban.
I wonder if this will apply to tobacco products other than rolling tobacco and cigarettes.
Pipe tobacco, snuff and cigars seem to get away with the old packaging laws.
This is similar to a law introduced in New Zealand a couple of years ago.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-63954862
> Legislation passed by parliament on Tuesday means that anyone born after 2008 will never be able to buy cigarettes or tobacco products.
>
> It will mean the number of people able to buy tobacco will shrink each year. By 2050, for example, 40-year-olds will be too young to buy cigarettes.
It’s also in line with the direction the EU is going.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/health-consumers/news/eu-wants-tobacco-free-generation-as-smoking-numbers-rise-worldwide/
> The EU’s goal to have a ‘Tobacco-free Generation’ by 2040 is set in Europe’s Beating Cancer Plan. Tobacco is known as “the single largest avoidable health risk in the EU”, with 27% of all cancers attributed to its use.
Wait a minute, they talked about this after New Zealand brought this in and they couldn’t even work it out, now it’s Sunaks idea wtf
The world is going to shit. There are no jobs, a shit economy, rampant corruption in politics and the world is slowly burning.
Smoke’em if you’ve got’em, I say.
Remember when New Zealand did it, everyone was full of praise?
This is actually a decent policy, but you can see someone going for an outright ban 30 years from now when there’s not enough smokers left to oppose it.
Won’t impact me because I’m not a smoker and I’ll be dead in 30 years anyway, but if you’ve smoked all your life as the last orbited year then someone decides to ban it, life might be hard.
I’m a non-smoker but I personally think you should just tax them to the extent that they cost the tax payer through health care etc (although that can be difficult to quantify because the average smoker lives fewer years on the pension), as morally and practically speaking just outright banning drugs is problematic
I smoke and this is great. Humans, the only animals to continually commit suicide in so many ways….
I think this is pretty fair. Either this, or any smokers who get smoking-related illnesses be given a bill from the NHS instead of the tax-payer paying for it.
But kids don’t smoke cigarettes, they all vape like chimneys, at least that’s what my teenage children tell me.
​
So how does banning a generation from buying a product that they have no interest in help? Unless . . . does Sunak have a stake in a tobacco brand and what we have is a cunning reverse psychology marketing technique to make cigarettes more exclusive and appealing to kids. That devious bastard, trying to get my kids hooked on cigarettes, with his fancy marketing techniques.
Great idea, now we just need to ban alcohol, fast food and enforce daily exercise
The only policy I agree with from Rishi today. What a nob.
Indeed sunaks a cunt but this is actually half decent.
Why not do the same with the voting age? Then we’ll have a ‘Tory-free’ generation.
That’s great phase out smoking, increase the tax for smokers tenfold meanwhile offer free Cocaine to addicts..
Should we also raise the sugar tax each year to create a fatty free generation lol?
Well this is stupid. Do we want tobacco to go onto the black market because this is how tobacco goes onto the black market.
I have no issue with banning the sale of tobacco. If you want to smoke grow it your self. I don’t see why tobacco companies should profit from your addiction.
I think smoking is a disgusting habit but this is ridiculous. Ultimately it’s for people to make their own choice and if they can’t get cigarettes from a shop lots of people will just get them from a drug dealer like with cannabis. Any kind of ban will just make smoking cool again.