> During his talk with Mr. Pratt, Mr. Trump revealed at least two pieces of critical information about the U.S. submarines’ tactical capacities, according to the people familiar with the matter. Those included how many nuclear warheads the vessels carried and how close they could get to their Russian counterparts without being detected.
Why the **fuck** would Trump feel the need to tell a cardboard box magnate any details about our nuclear capabilities? Is he really that desperate to “show off”?
It was just pillow talk, come on.
lmao he’s done for. more and more will come out since he just froze his business and guys are realizing that and coming out ahead to get immunity
The slow trickle of revelations, his naked contempt for rightfully disloyal military leadership, an insatiable appetite for validation, and simple mathematical probability makes it patently obvious the deranged buffoon did well fucking worse than this.
I look forward to his eventual departure, as it were.
Who then spread the information to dozens of people. Can you imagine the conservative outrage of Obama or Biden did this? Literally no bottom for these dirt bags.
Shortly after he left office, former President Donald J. Trump shared apparently classified information about American nuclear submarines with an Australian businessman during an evening of conversation at Mar-a-Lago, his private club and residence in Florida, according to two people familiar with the matter.
The businessman, Anthony Pratt, a billionaire member of Mar-a-Lago who runs one of the world’s largest cardboard companies, went on to share the sensitive details about the submarines with several others, the people said, potentially endangering the U.S. nuclear fleet.
Federal prosecutors working for the special counsel, Jack Smith, learned about Mr. Trump’s disclosures of the secrets to Mr. Pratt, which were first revealed by ABC News, and interviewed him as part of their investigation into the former president’s handling of classified documents, the people said.
According to another person familiar with the matter, Mr. Pratt is now among more than 80 people whom prosecutors have identified as possible witnesses who could testify against Mr. Trump at the classified documents trial, which is scheduled to start in May in Federal District Court in Fort Pierce, Fla.
Mr. Pratt’s name does not appear in the indictment accusing Mr. Trump of illegally holding on to nearly three dozen classified documents after he left office and then conspiring with two of his aides at Mar-a-Lago to obstruct the government’s attempts to get them back.
But the account that Mr. Trump discussed some of the country’s most sensitive nuclear secrets with him in a cavalier fashion could help prosecutors establish that the former president had a long habit of handling classified information in a reckless manner.
And the existence of the testimony about the conversation underscores how much additional information the special prosecutor’s office may have amassed out of the public’s view.
During his talk with Mr. Pratt, Mr. Trump revealed at least two pieces of critical information about the U.S. submarines’ tactical capacities, according to the people familiar with the matter. Those included how many nuclear warheads the vessels carried and how close they could get to their Russian counterparts without being detected.
It does not appear that Mr. Trump showed Mr. Pratt any of the classified documents that he had been keeping at Mar-a-Lago. In August last year, the F.B.I. carried out a court-approved search warrant at the property and hauled away more than 100 documents containing national security secrets, including some that bore the country’s most sensitive classification markings.
Mr. Trump had earlier returned hundreds of other documents he had taken with him from the White House, some in response to a subpoena.
A spokesman for Mr. Trump did not immediately respond to a request for comment. A spokesman for Mr. Smith declined to comment. Representatives for Mr. Pratt did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Even though Mr. Pratt has been interviewed by prosecutors, the people familiar with the matter said, it remained unclear whether Mr. Trump was merely blustering or exaggerating in his conversation with him.
Joe Hockey, a former Australian ambassador to United States, sought to play down Mr. Trump’s disclosures to Mr. Pratt in a phone interview on Thursday.
“If that’s all that was discussed, we already know all that,” Mr. Hockey said. “We have had Australians serving with Americans on U.S. submarines for years, and we share the same technology and the same weapons as the U.S. Navy.”
Mr. Trump’s interactions with Mr. Pratt appear to fit a pattern of collapsing the presidency and its secrets into his private interests.Credit…Doug Mills/The New York Times
Still, it is not the first time Mr. Trump has been known to share classified information verbally. During an Oval Office meeting in 2017 shortly after he fired the F.B.I. director James B. Comey, Mr. Trump revealed sensitive classified intelligence to two Russian officials, according to people briefed on the matter.
Well into his presidency, he also posted on X, formerly known as Twitter, a classified photo of an Iranian launch site.
The indictment in the documents case also accused Mr. Trump of showing a classified battle plan to attack Iran to a group of visitors to his club in Bedminster, N.J. Prosecutors claim that a recording of the meeting with the visitors depicts Mr. Trump as describing the document he brandished as “secret.”
Mr. Trump has not had access to more updated U.S. intelligence since leaving the presidency; President Biden cut off the briefings that former presidents traditionally get when Mr. Trump left office in the wake of Mr. Trump’s efforts to overturn the election and the attack on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob on Jan. 6, 2021.
“I just think that there is no need for him to have the intelligence briefings,” Mr. Biden said at the time.
“What value is giving him an intelligence briefing?” he said. “What impact does he have at all, other than the fact he might slip and say something?”
Mr. Trump’s interactions with Mr. Pratt appear to fit a pattern of collapsing the presidency and its secrets into his private interests.
Mr. Pratt cultivated a relationship with Mr. Trump once he became president. He joined Mar-a-Lago in 2017, then was invited to a state dinner and had Mr. Trump join him at one of his company’s plants in Ohio.
This is surely the last straw.
How can it not be?
It’s not about politics. He’s not safe as leader.
I think the US is just bleeding him (and his children) financially dry before throwing him in jail. Seems fitting.
There is no way, no conceivable way, that he just blabbed to some Austrialian businessman who didn’t even give a shit.
He sold us out. 100 percent. Russia, Saudi Arabia, probably fucking North Korea as well. The United States of America is wide open to its enemies right now.
Joe Hockey former Australian government treasurer. Fucking scumbag.
I’ll just put it this way….a young sailor went to jail just for having photos on his phone of the submarine he worked on….
So trump should get the same treatment… In my humble opinion
The Australian ambassador tries to pretend that it’s perfectly normal for cardboard makers to know U.S. warhead capacities on nuclear subs. Seemingly nobody can admit there’s a problem here.
Of this is true he’s a fucking traitor. I’m so sick of this mother fucker.
I seem to remember some conspiracy theory that the CIA killed Marilyn Monroe because JFK’s pillow talk was to blab all kinds of secrets. If TFG has a hamberder heart-attack it is going to fuel all kinds of crazy actions.
Also how is he not in custody right now?
can we have a single day that doesn’t make every scandal from 2015 onward look like the tan suit scandal?
Of course he did
I mean, come the fuck on people. How god damn pig headed do republicans have to be at this point? THE MAN GAVE AWAY NUCLEAR SECRECTS TO BIG DICK A RICH NOBODY. He’s spent the last four days like Capone screaming on the court house steps. He’s everything you accuse your political enemies of being, and more. I am non religious, yet I could have a multi detailed, long and droll argument that he is in fact the anti christ. Can’t you just admit any single sand grain of fault and admit this man is just wrong. Wrong in every measurable way. Give me a fucking break already, this is embarrassing. How far do you want this to go, we are at the “jokes that can’t be real” being real, nukes for ego levels of insanity.
This thing Trump should not be walking or talking free among us.
I was a Submariner and missile tech on a Trident Sub years ago. I could still to prison if I talked about the same details of those missiles today. Fuck him he’s a traitor and should be locked up for espionage.
Doesn’t that make him a traitor? Just imagine for one minute that Joe Biden did this.
“Loose lips sink ships”
… and yet minor as compared to sharing the details of a joint CIA/Israeli operation against Iran to Russian leadership in the oval office 🤨
I’m old enough to remember the days where something like this would be an automatic disqualification to even seek public office again.
This is what happens when you have a dangerous idiot occupying the White House. Never let a dangerous idiot occupy the White House again. Don’t vote for people like that. Any functioning adult will do.
Seems somewhat treasony? We’re probably a little past the “life in prison” point.
“I mean, first come, first serve”
Why is he not locked up??
But her emails!
anyone else would have been locked up long ago.
Of course he did
The CIA is now very interested in Pratt I’m sure
Anybody else who did this would be in prison. People who did this *are* in prison.
Pratt is not a good fella. Just so you know from an Aussie.
Jesus H Christ. This is absolutely horrifying.
If this is the kind of stuff he casually shares with foreign nationals… imagine what he’d be willing to share with people he’s trying to impress and/or do business with. Like the Saudis. Or Putin.
None of this matters anymore. The lines are drawn in this country and he needs to be put in jail
We will likely never know the extend of the damage this piece of shit has done to the country for years, if ever.
He has no integrity, honor, or sense of duty. I have no doubt he shared top secret info just to impress a bunch of people he desperately seeks the approval of.
He was working on a deal to get cheap cardboard boxes to store all his documents in. Quid Pro Quo Mr Pratt?
So he was paying attention at some of those intelligence briefings after all. Probably remembered these figures because they had to make pretty charts to keep him awake.
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> During his talk with Mr. Pratt, Mr. Trump revealed at least two pieces of critical information about the U.S. submarines’ tactical capacities, according to the people familiar with the matter. Those included how many nuclear warheads the vessels carried and how close they could get to their Russian counterparts without being detected.
Why the **fuck** would Trump feel the need to tell a cardboard box magnate any details about our nuclear capabilities? Is he really that desperate to “show off”?
It was just pillow talk, come on.
lmao he’s done for. more and more will come out since he just froze his business and guys are realizing that and coming out ahead to get immunity
The slow trickle of revelations, his naked contempt for rightfully disloyal military leadership, an insatiable appetite for validation, and simple mathematical probability makes it patently obvious the deranged buffoon did well fucking worse than this.
I look forward to his eventual departure, as it were.
Who then spread the information to dozens of people. Can you imagine the conservative outrage of Obama or Biden did this? Literally no bottom for these dirt bags.
Shortly after he left office, former President Donald J. Trump shared apparently classified information about American nuclear submarines with an Australian businessman during an evening of conversation at Mar-a-Lago, his private club and residence in Florida, according to two people familiar with the matter.
The businessman, Anthony Pratt, a billionaire member of Mar-a-Lago who runs one of the world’s largest cardboard companies, went on to share the sensitive details about the submarines with several others, the people said, potentially endangering the U.S. nuclear fleet.
Federal prosecutors working for the special counsel, Jack Smith, learned about Mr. Trump’s disclosures of the secrets to Mr. Pratt, which were first revealed by ABC News, and interviewed him as part of their investigation into the former president’s handling of classified documents, the people said.
According to another person familiar with the matter, Mr. Pratt is now among more than 80 people whom prosecutors have identified as possible witnesses who could testify against Mr. Trump at the classified documents trial, which is scheduled to start in May in Federal District Court in Fort Pierce, Fla.
Mr. Pratt’s name does not appear in the indictment accusing Mr. Trump of illegally holding on to nearly three dozen classified documents after he left office and then conspiring with two of his aides at Mar-a-Lago to obstruct the government’s attempts to get them back.
But the account that Mr. Trump discussed some of the country’s most sensitive nuclear secrets with him in a cavalier fashion could help prosecutors establish that the former president had a long habit of handling classified information in a reckless manner.
And the existence of the testimony about the conversation underscores how much additional information the special prosecutor’s office may have amassed out of the public’s view.
During his talk with Mr. Pratt, Mr. Trump revealed at least two pieces of critical information about the U.S. submarines’ tactical capacities, according to the people familiar with the matter. Those included how many nuclear warheads the vessels carried and how close they could get to their Russian counterparts without being detected.
It does not appear that Mr. Trump showed Mr. Pratt any of the classified documents that he had been keeping at Mar-a-Lago. In August last year, the F.B.I. carried out a court-approved search warrant at the property and hauled away more than 100 documents containing national security secrets, including some that bore the country’s most sensitive classification markings.
Mr. Trump had earlier returned hundreds of other documents he had taken with him from the White House, some in response to a subpoena.
A spokesman for Mr. Trump did not immediately respond to a request for comment. A spokesman for Mr. Smith declined to comment. Representatives for Mr. Pratt did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Even though Mr. Pratt has been interviewed by prosecutors, the people familiar with the matter said, it remained unclear whether Mr. Trump was merely blustering or exaggerating in his conversation with him.
Joe Hockey, a former Australian ambassador to United States, sought to play down Mr. Trump’s disclosures to Mr. Pratt in a phone interview on Thursday.
“If that’s all that was discussed, we already know all that,” Mr. Hockey said. “We have had Australians serving with Americans on U.S. submarines for years, and we share the same technology and the same weapons as the U.S. Navy.”
Mr. Trump’s interactions with Mr. Pratt appear to fit a pattern of collapsing the presidency and its secrets into his private interests.Credit…Doug Mills/The New York Times
Still, it is not the first time Mr. Trump has been known to share classified information verbally. During an Oval Office meeting in 2017 shortly after he fired the F.B.I. director James B. Comey, Mr. Trump revealed sensitive classified intelligence to two Russian officials, according to people briefed on the matter.
Well into his presidency, he also posted on X, formerly known as Twitter, a classified photo of an Iranian launch site.
The indictment in the documents case also accused Mr. Trump of showing a classified battle plan to attack Iran to a group of visitors to his club in Bedminster, N.J. Prosecutors claim that a recording of the meeting with the visitors depicts Mr. Trump as describing the document he brandished as “secret.”
Mr. Trump has not had access to more updated U.S. intelligence since leaving the presidency; President Biden cut off the briefings that former presidents traditionally get when Mr. Trump left office in the wake of Mr. Trump’s efforts to overturn the election and the attack on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob on Jan. 6, 2021.
“I just think that there is no need for him to have the intelligence briefings,” Mr. Biden said at the time.
“What value is giving him an intelligence briefing?” he said. “What impact does he have at all, other than the fact he might slip and say something?”
Mr. Trump’s interactions with Mr. Pratt appear to fit a pattern of collapsing the presidency and its secrets into his private interests.
Mr. Pratt cultivated a relationship with Mr. Trump once he became president. He joined Mar-a-Lago in 2017, then was invited to a state dinner and had Mr. Trump join him at one of his company’s plants in Ohio.
This is surely the last straw.
How can it not be?
It’s not about politics. He’s not safe as leader.
I think the US is just bleeding him (and his children) financially dry before throwing him in jail. Seems fitting.
There is no way, no conceivable way, that he just blabbed to some Austrialian businessman who didn’t even give a shit.
He sold us out. 100 percent. Russia, Saudi Arabia, probably fucking North Korea as well. The United States of America is wide open to its enemies right now.
Joe Hockey former Australian government treasurer. Fucking scumbag.
I’ll just put it this way….a young sailor went to jail just for having photos on his phone of the submarine he worked on….
So trump should get the same treatment… In my humble opinion
The Australian ambassador tries to pretend that it’s perfectly normal for cardboard makers to know U.S. warhead capacities on nuclear subs. Seemingly nobody can admit there’s a problem here.
Of this is true he’s a fucking traitor. I’m so sick of this mother fucker.
I seem to remember some conspiracy theory that the CIA killed Marilyn Monroe because JFK’s pillow talk was to blab all kinds of secrets. If TFG has a hamberder heart-attack it is going to fuel all kinds of crazy actions.
Also how is he not in custody right now?
can we have a single day that doesn’t make every scandal from 2015 onward look like the tan suit scandal?
Of course he did
I mean, come the fuck on people. How god damn pig headed do republicans have to be at this point? THE MAN GAVE AWAY NUCLEAR SECRECTS TO BIG DICK A RICH NOBODY. He’s spent the last four days like Capone screaming on the court house steps. He’s everything you accuse your political enemies of being, and more. I am non religious, yet I could have a multi detailed, long and droll argument that he is in fact the anti christ. Can’t you just admit any single sand grain of fault and admit this man is just wrong. Wrong in every measurable way. Give me a fucking break already, this is embarrassing. How far do you want this to go, we are at the “jokes that can’t be real” being real, nukes for ego levels of insanity.
This thing Trump should not be walking or talking free among us.
I was a Submariner and missile tech on a Trident Sub years ago. I could still to prison if I talked about the same details of those missiles today. Fuck him he’s a traitor and should be locked up for espionage.
Doesn’t that make him a traitor? Just imagine for one minute that Joe Biden did this.
“Loose lips sink ships”
… and yet minor as compared to sharing the details of a joint CIA/Israeli operation against Iran to Russian leadership in the oval office 🤨
I’m old enough to remember the days where something like this would be an automatic disqualification to even seek public office again.
This is what happens when you have a dangerous idiot occupying the White House. Never let a dangerous idiot occupy the White House again. Don’t vote for people like that. Any functioning adult will do.
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Seems somewhat treasony? We’re probably a little past the “life in prison” point.
“I mean, first come, first serve”
Why is he not locked up??
But her emails!
anyone else would have been locked up long ago.
Of course he did
The CIA is now very interested in Pratt I’m sure
Anybody else who did this would be in prison. People who did this *are* in prison.
Pratt is not a good fella. Just so you know from an Aussie.
Jesus H Christ. This is absolutely horrifying.
If this is the kind of stuff he casually shares with foreign nationals… imagine what he’d be willing to share with people he’s trying to impress and/or do business with. Like the Saudis. Or Putin.
None of this matters anymore. The lines are drawn in this country and he needs to be put in jail
We will likely never know the extend of the damage this piece of shit has done to the country for years, if ever.
He has no integrity, honor, or sense of duty. I have no doubt he shared top secret info just to impress a bunch of people he desperately seeks the approval of.
He was working on a deal to get cheap cardboard boxes to store all his documents in. Quid Pro Quo Mr Pratt?
So he was paying attention at some of those intelligence briefings after all. Probably remembered these figures because they had to make pretty charts to keep him awake.