A failure or intentional? Israel may want to take out targets in Gaza and this provides the perfect cover.
When the dust settles, there’s going to be a lot firings in the intelligence services.
It’s possible that this might have been intentionally ignored, as this allows Israel to accomplish lots of it’s political objectives in a quicker succession.
There’s just no way that the Israeli or especially the United States intelligence didn’t see this coming days ahead of time at a bare minimum. The troop movements alone wouldve taken several days at least, and definitely would’ve mostly been out in the open.
If the United States and Israel’s intelligence system are actually that incompetent to unironically miss this….then that’s kind of scary
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I don’t support war, but I can completely empathize with Israel if they obliterate Hamas now. Attacking the enemy is one thing, civilian brutality including women and children though, that’s just asking for it. I fully expect Israel to go all out on a scale we have not seen them use before.
My only fear is that with the Ukraine conflict in North and now this, if something happens in Syria or Turkey connecting the conflicts, things could escalate badly for humanity.
Prevent an attack, say they tried to organize it. No one will care. Let it slip, it will go viral and you get support.
Israel made this same mistake during the Yom Kippur war. Israeli intelligence failed to see war coming in 1973 because it was wedded to a concept (kontzeptziya in Hebrew) that the Arabs would not go to war because they would lose, therefore the danger of war was minimal.
Yes, its a huge failure of intelligence considering it was also the 50 year anniversary of the famous Yom Kippur/Ramadan War of 1973.
As formidable as Mossad may be , the scale and intensity of this particular offensive has all the hallmarks of external assistance , hell, not only material , cash or intelligence, maybe even boots on the ground.
I’d be very nervous if I was a military officer in Tehran , Damascus or Doha right now
How will the Netanyahu government save face? Attack Iran’s nuclear program?
It wasn’t failure, they let it happen so Netanyahu can stay in power. It was a small sacrifice of israeli lives for them and hell, they never cared for the lives in the Gaza strip anyway.
Clearly Israel dropped the ball here, but no one else – as far as we know – knew this was going down either. Many countries have to be questioning how they missed this.
That’s what I was thinking. I can’t believe they were able to keep this under wraps with how generally sophisticated the Israeli security state is.
Not wanting to start any conspiracy theories, but I highly doubt they got zero intelligence regarding this attack. Convenient that Benny now has the go ahead to wipe out Gaza, a long term goal of his.
Imma put my tin foil hat on, i think they let it happen so they can justify an all out war w/ out repercussions.
Or they knew it was going to happen and let it. Or they orchestrated it themselves. We only hear what the state approved media tells us after all.
Oh they knew what was coming… sometimes it’s better to let things happen to rally the people behind a cause.
I don’t believe they didn’t know.
Not for a second. I believe they let it happen for political expedience.
With the scale of the operation, there was no way Mossad and CIA never seen this coming. And why did the response from Netanyahu so slow when there are IDF troops placed around Gaza border all year round?
But all comments that mentioned that had been downvoted to oblivion here. So be it.
Wonder if someone sold classified documents about Israeli military secrets to Hamas 🤔
Historic mistake by Hamas…
Seriously, how do you miss that? Literally thousands of rockets and preparations for war
This is what I’m trying to figure out.
Mossad is known for being like a better CIA with religious fanaticism to boot.
How could they not know about this? Unless they did, and knew it would give them the general intl blessing to wipe them out.
That seems likely actually.
Hamas doesn’t come out of this looking good either.
Maybe they are just better at surveilling citizens and selling Pegasus systems, safety just isn’t their thing, not much practice
100+ years of Palestinian suppression… who knew there would be continuing violence
Ok, I’m not a Mideast political expert. So just talking out my ass here. But, My thought was that maybe they didn’t fail. This attack gave Netanyahu Carte Blanche to completely demolish hamas without international interference. As painful as it might be, the repercussions against the Palestinians are gonna be way worse. And the Israelis don’t look like occupiers to the rest of the world.
Hopefully the liberal part of the country will realize this is a result of the current government policies and start the push back in the right direction.. rallying behind the current government will only reinforce the colonial policies it espouses and Israel proper will never have a sense of safety.
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A failure or intentional? Israel may want to take out targets in Gaza and this provides the perfect cover.
When the dust settles, there’s going to be a lot firings in the intelligence services.
It’s possible that this might have been intentionally ignored, as this allows Israel to accomplish lots of it’s political objectives in a quicker succession.
There’s just no way that the Israeli or especially the United States intelligence didn’t see this coming days ahead of time at a bare minimum. The troop movements alone wouldve taken several days at least, and definitely would’ve mostly been out in the open.
If the United States and Israel’s intelligence system are actually that incompetent to unironically miss this….then that’s kind of scary
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I don’t support war, but I can completely empathize with Israel if they obliterate Hamas now. Attacking the enemy is one thing, civilian brutality including women and children though, that’s just asking for it. I fully expect Israel to go all out on a scale we have not seen them use before.
My only fear is that with the Ukraine conflict in North and now this, if something happens in Syria or Turkey connecting the conflicts, things could escalate badly for humanity.
Prevent an attack, say they tried to organize it. No one will care. Let it slip, it will go viral and you get support.
Israel made this same mistake during the Yom Kippur war. Israeli intelligence failed to see war coming in 1973 because it was wedded to a concept (kontzeptziya in Hebrew) that the Arabs would not go to war because they would lose, therefore the danger of war was minimal.
Yes, its a huge failure of intelligence considering it was also the 50 year anniversary of the famous Yom Kippur/Ramadan War of 1973.
As formidable as Mossad may be , the scale and intensity of this particular offensive has all the hallmarks of external assistance , hell, not only material , cash or intelligence, maybe even boots on the ground.
I’d be very nervous if I was a military officer in Tehran , Damascus or Doha right now
How will the Netanyahu government save face? Attack Iran’s nuclear program?
It wasn’t failure, they let it happen so Netanyahu can stay in power. It was a small sacrifice of israeli lives for them and hell, they never cared for the lives in the Gaza strip anyway.
Clearly Israel dropped the ball here, but no one else – as far as we know – knew this was going down either. Many countries have to be questioning how they missed this.
That’s what I was thinking. I can’t believe they were able to keep this under wraps with how generally sophisticated the Israeli security state is.
Not wanting to start any conspiracy theories, but I highly doubt they got zero intelligence regarding this attack. Convenient that Benny now has the go ahead to wipe out Gaza, a long term goal of his.
Imma put my tin foil hat on, i think they let it happen so they can justify an all out war w/ out repercussions.
Or they knew it was going to happen and let it. Or they orchestrated it themselves. We only hear what the state approved media tells us after all.
Oh they knew what was coming… sometimes it’s better to let things happen to rally the people behind a cause.
I don’t believe they didn’t know.
Not for a second. I believe they let it happen for political expedience.
With the scale of the operation, there was no way Mossad and CIA never seen this coming. And why did the response from Netanyahu so slow when there are IDF troops placed around Gaza border all year round?
But all comments that mentioned that had been downvoted to oblivion here. So be it.
Wonder if someone sold classified documents about Israeli military secrets to Hamas 🤔
Historic mistake by Hamas…
Seriously, how do you miss that? Literally thousands of rockets and preparations for war
This is what I’m trying to figure out.
Mossad is known for being like a better CIA with religious fanaticism to boot.
How could they not know about this? Unless they did, and knew it would give them the general intl blessing to wipe them out.
That seems likely actually.
Hamas doesn’t come out of this looking good either.
Maybe they are just better at surveilling citizens and selling Pegasus systems, safety just isn’t their thing, not much practice
100+ years of Palestinian suppression… who knew there would be continuing violence
Ok, I’m not a Mideast political expert. So just talking out my ass here. But, My thought was that maybe they didn’t fail. This attack gave Netanyahu Carte Blanche to completely demolish hamas without international interference. As painful as it might be, the repercussions against the Palestinians are gonna be way worse. And the Israelis don’t look like occupiers to the rest of the world.
Hopefully the liberal part of the country will realize this is a result of the current government policies and start the push back in the right direction.. rallying behind the current government will only reinforce the colonial policies it espouses and Israel proper will never have a sense of safety.