That’s what Hamas wants to use this attack as leverage
I think Turkey wants to play the role of mediator in this conflict.
The entire Israeli population is up in arms. He’s got his work cut out
Try in a months time
Funny comming from a country that help aid Azerbaijan recently.
That’s not gonna happen. There is nothing to mediate.
Hamas/Palestine has zero leverage and Israel has zero reason to back off.
Hamas just ensured that the Gaza Strip will become uninhabitable for Palestine/Hamas.
Israel is not just going to strike a few targets and back away this time. Its no longer a conflict, its a war.
People are about to learn just how much restraint Israel has shown over the years.
I knew this will fuck us(Turkey)up somehow
Reuters found out that Gaza imported many tons of rocket fuel from Turkey earlier this month….so turkey may of helped Hamas.
‘Turkey, which has supported Palestinians in the past, hosted members of the Islamist group Hamas which launched the attack on Israel, and backed a two-state solution, said on Saturday it was ready to help de-escalate tensions.”
Doesn’t sound like a good deal for Israel.
Turkey pushing itself as a mediator into any conflict, trying to establish itself as regional power.
Ie: they’ll take personal advantage in every conceivable way and consider it playing neutral.
Like with Russia.
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Oh, just what the situation calls for. Yet another asshole with a political ax to grind. Do us all a favor and don’t.
Got it. He will do his best to shield Hamas from consequences. Somehow expected from him.
Yes, Erdogan the global peacemaker who can definitely help and isn’t part of the problem at all
why do Erdogan and pakistan leaders always insert themselves in every god damn events of the world ?
Couldn’t even wait a week before he opened his mouth.
So Hamas can attack Israel again at a future date?
I don’t have much faith Erdogan can solve a feud that’s lasted for millennia. Best of luck to him though, truly.
While the old Ottoman Empire is not what they used to be they have what the world needs: The best damn geopolitical location in the world:
“Given its position straddling Asia and Europe, Turkey can heavily influence the Caucasus, Central Asia, the EU, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East”-https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/turkeys-growing-foreign-policy-ambitions
-Dams that supply water (Middle East). Ataturk Dam one of the most important. (Water politics)
-Air space for (American/EU) military bases.
-Logistical military and commercial support for all countries. Even terrorists that Erdogan turns a blind eye, too.
-Man kind most early heritage that goes back to our pre homo sapien days as caves have been discovered that go way back.
-They are a NATO ally but play the fence with Russia as they gave the Pentagon the middle finger and purchased Russian air defense system which Ukraine has demonstrated to be worthless compared to western/American air defenses and Erdogan shamelessly is still wanting the best American fighters.
But Erdogan is….
-A war criminal under international law.
-An Autocrat who rewrote their laws to maintain power.
-Will not recognize Kurd nationhood. (He wants their land for massive commercial and high end residential development).
-Maintains open dialogue with Putin and back door dialogue with Middle East terrorist groups.
-Allowed ISIS to move freely over their border.
While his roots at the surface trace back to “the six arrows” of Kamalism that transformed it from its Ottoman identity, he subscribes to a pro nationalist philosophy that grips most countries: brutalize/jail and in some cases kill your opponents, stifle the press and create domestic laws to appease your hardline supporters based on theocratic zealotry.
Love him or hate him, he has leverage.
Turkey will do nothing of the sort. Israel will listen to nobody for the coming months. There will be an all out aerial assault and then a ground invasion. Israel will effectively destroy Gaza.
It’s a shame. It was somewhat easy to shit on Israeli policy of expansion and settlement, especially in the West Bank and much less so in Gaza since they left and forcibly extracted Israeli citizens in 2005.
Just like with Ukraine and Russia, I no longer care about civilian casualties in either Russia and now Gaza. It is a byproduct of their own people and their own government and culture. Do I wish it weren’t the case? Sure. But it’s time to clean house in Gaza. Israel’s 9/11 is what led to it.
Remember, Erdogan and Netanyahu are personal friends. It’s highly likely “diplomacy” will be “military assistance”.
“added that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was at the root of all problems in the Middle East.”
Surprisingly not that untrue of a statement, I wouldn’t say all the problems but a lot of them have been caused by this conflict.
He does have a point there needs to be a two state solution and soon since the reality is unless there’s a solution there will be more events like what’s happening.
But Hamas needs to go and frankly I argue it’s better just to restart the Palestinians government.
>On U.S. television, Erdogan said in 2012 that “I don’t see Hamas as a terror organization. Hamas is a political party.”
>In May 2018, Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan tweeted to the Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu that Hamas is not a terrorist organization but a resistance movement that defends the Palestinian homeland against an occupying power.
>In addition, in 2018 the Israel Security Agency accused SADAT International Defense Consultancy (a private Turkish Private military company with connections to the Turkish government) of transferring funds to Hamas.
Wouldn’t someone a bit more neutral work better as a mediator?
I think he should try diplomacy on his home front issues.
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That’s what Hamas wants to use this attack as leverage
I think Turkey wants to play the role of mediator in this conflict.
The entire Israeli population is up in arms. He’s got his work cut out
Try in a months time
Funny comming from a country that help aid Azerbaijan recently.
That’s not gonna happen. There is nothing to mediate.
Hamas/Palestine has zero leverage and Israel has zero reason to back off.
Hamas just ensured that the Gaza Strip will become uninhabitable for Palestine/Hamas.
Israel is not just going to strike a few targets and back away this time. Its no longer a conflict, its a war.
People are about to learn just how much restraint Israel has shown over the years.
I knew this will fuck us(Turkey)up somehow
Reuters found out that Gaza imported many tons of rocket fuel from Turkey earlier this month….so turkey may of helped Hamas.
‘Turkey, which has supported Palestinians in the past, hosted members of the Islamist group Hamas which launched the attack on Israel, and backed a two-state solution, said on Saturday it was ready to help de-escalate tensions.”
Doesn’t sound like a good deal for Israel.
Turkey pushing itself as a mediator into any conflict, trying to establish itself as regional power.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-says-it-found-16-tons-rocket-making-substance-headed-turkey-gaza-2023-09-14/?utm_source=reddit.com
Stop supplying bomb materials then lol
Ie: they’ll take personal advantage in every conceivable way and consider it playing neutral.
Like with Russia.
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Oh, just what the situation calls for. Yet another asshole with a political ax to grind. Do us all a favor and don’t.
Got it. He will do his best to shield Hamas from consequences. Somehow expected from him.
Yes, Erdogan the global peacemaker who can definitely help and isn’t part of the problem at all
why do Erdogan and pakistan leaders always insert themselves in every god damn events of the world ?
Couldn’t even wait a week before he opened his mouth.
So Hamas can attack Israel again at a future date?
I don’t have much faith Erdogan can solve a feud that’s lasted for millennia. Best of luck to him though, truly.
While the old Ottoman Empire is not what they used to be they have what the world needs: The best damn geopolitical location in the world:
“Given its position straddling Asia and Europe, Turkey can heavily influence the Caucasus, Central Asia, the EU, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East”-https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/turkeys-growing-foreign-policy-ambitions
-Dams that supply water (Middle East). Ataturk Dam one of the most important. (Water politics)
-Air space for (American/EU) military bases.
-Logistical military and commercial support for all countries. Even terrorists that Erdogan turns a blind eye, too.
-Man kind most early heritage that goes back to our pre homo sapien days as caves have been discovered that go way back.
-They are a NATO ally but play the fence with Russia as they gave the Pentagon the middle finger and purchased Russian air defense system which Ukraine has demonstrated to be worthless compared to western/American air defenses and Erdogan shamelessly is still wanting the best American fighters.
But Erdogan is….
-A war criminal under international law.
-An Autocrat who rewrote their laws to maintain power.
-Will not recognize Kurd nationhood. (He wants their land for massive commercial and high end residential development).
-Maintains open dialogue with Putin and back door dialogue with Middle East terrorist groups.
-Allowed ISIS to move freely over their border.
While his roots at the surface trace back to “the six arrows” of Kamalism that transformed it from its Ottoman identity, he subscribes to a pro nationalist philosophy that grips most countries: brutalize/jail and in some cases kill your opponents, stifle the press and create domestic laws to appease your hardline supporters based on theocratic zealotry.
Love him or hate him, he has leverage.
Turkey will do nothing of the sort. Israel will listen to nobody for the coming months. There will be an all out aerial assault and then a ground invasion. Israel will effectively destroy Gaza.
It’s a shame. It was somewhat easy to shit on Israeli policy of expansion and settlement, especially in the West Bank and much less so in Gaza since they left and forcibly extracted Israeli citizens in 2005.
Just like with Ukraine and Russia, I no longer care about civilian casualties in either Russia and now Gaza. It is a byproduct of their own people and their own government and culture. Do I wish it weren’t the case? Sure. But it’s time to clean house in Gaza. Israel’s 9/11 is what led to it.
Remember, Erdogan and Netanyahu are personal friends. It’s highly likely “diplomacy” will be “military assistance”.
“added that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was at the root of all problems in the Middle East.”
Surprisingly not that untrue of a statement, I wouldn’t say all the problems but a lot of them have been caused by this conflict.
He does have a point there needs to be a two state solution and soon since the reality is unless there’s a solution there will be more events like what’s happening.
But Hamas needs to go and frankly I argue it’s better just to restart the Palestinians government.
I am not sure if he is the right man for the job.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#Support
>On U.S. television, Erdogan said in 2012 that “I don’t see Hamas as a terror organization. Hamas is a political party.”
>In May 2018, Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan tweeted to the Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu that Hamas is not a terrorist organization but a resistance movement that defends the Palestinian homeland against an occupying power.
>In addition, in 2018 the Israel Security Agency accused SADAT International Defense Consultancy (a private Turkish Private military company with connections to the Turkish government) of transferring funds to Hamas.
Wouldn’t someone a bit more neutral work better as a mediator?
I think he should try diplomacy on his home front issues.
Pls help us watermelon man 🥺