People Before Profit, Trinity College SU among others announce Palestine solidarity rally for tomorrow in front of Dáil Éireann

by Karma-Houdini

20 comments

  1. Before anyone asks, I’m only posting this for awareness of what they support. This isn’t an endorsement.

  2. Yikes.

    I’d actually fear for our country if this trash ever gets power.

  3. No right thinking person can support what was done by hamas, wholesale indiscriminate slaughter,kidnap and assault can never be justified, horrific scenes, whatabout all you like,

  6. That is going to be one crusty protest. Read the fucking room

    Why can’t there be nuance at the moment

  8. Yeah as much as people wish to support the people of Palestine and obviously call out Israel’s past wrongdoings that have only made things worse the timing of this will have extremely bad optics.

    Hamas has basically gone full ISIS here, this kind of shit is so feral it’s sickening on so many levels. There’s zero sympathy for that kind of savagery.

  9. I unfortunately saw a video of Palestinians beating a wounded Filipino immigrant worker to death with a garden hoe after they shot him in the stomach.

    How was he an occupier? What did he do to deserve that?

    They are terrorist scum and anyone that supports that is a scumbag.

  11. “solidarity” is a term PBP throw around far too much. Its great to support Palestine and its people, but Hamas did commit vile atrocities in the past 48 hours that would not make for a well supported event.

  12. For all the talk about Musk over the past year and so on, they still use his platform for their message.

  13. This reminds me of Charlton Heston hosting a gun rally after the columbine shooting

  15. Holding a protest now after what has just happened, looks like approval of Hamas and their actions. Standing with Palestinian people is not the same as standing with Hamas. We can condemn Israel’s ongoing actions while also condemning Hamas who are going door to door executing families

  18. “I hear you’re an ISIS supporter now father?”

    🙂

  19. On one hand, this incursion has ‘given’ (at least in their eyes) the hardline Israeli government the cassus belli to action pummelling Gaza into nothing. We could be looking at the worst wrath inflicted on Palestinian civilians in decades and – considering the ease at which Israel can turn off Gaza’s water and electricity – a humanitarian disaster. It’s important for people to be reminded of these innocents and to give them a voice.

    On the other hand, the complete ‘black and white’ worldview response from PBP, Paul Murphy and other far-left members over the events this weekend has been appallingly bad – not just from a moral perspective but also shows (once again) they lack any analytical reasoning, tact or even a basic grasp of optics. The latter is especially terrible given the timing of events and what *specifically* people are disgusted with respect to Hamas’ attack – it’s not that they attacked IDF positions, but everything else they did.

    The main argument PBP (and their supporters and defenders) have used is that, as Israel is the oppressor and the militarily dominant force , it is justified in using any means (such as their border incursion this weekend) to conduct operations against Israel as that is the only way they can fight back. Fine, so if we say that is fair game then Hamas’s action such as capturing IDF bases, taking IDF soldiers/officers prisoner, capturing tanks and drone striking machine gun installations is justifiable. But that argument does **not** excuse what most people are actually disgusted by, mainly:

    * the rounding up of Israeli civilians in a house-by-house search and executing them.
    * the massacring of hundreds of civilians (mostly in their 20s or younger) at a music festival
    * the parading of a dead, naked young woman around a street as a trophy while people cheer spit on her (and I’m not going to even think about what else they might have done to her)

    Explain to me those that use the above argument, where’s the tactical benefit of any of that? What purpose does that serve, except demonstrating a complete lack of constraint amongst their forces at best or strategically directed indiscriminant massacring at worse? What kind of people would do this?

    And the last question is what people have been honing on the past 2 days – *what* kind of people would do this. Because the spotlight now is firmly placed on what Hamas is ,what they stand for and the answer isn’t simple or pretty. But PBP only know how to do simple – the fact Paul Murphy has completely failed to call out any of Hamas’ actions only serves to undermine the Palestinian cause further. The fact that almost every political situation is complex *necessitates* that diplomacy be analytical and compromising. But as long as PBP and other fringe ideological parties continue a pigheaded and tunnel-vision view , they’ll never be any position to make large-scale change.

    They could have analysed the situation, condemn the Hamas’ indiscriminant attacks, bring attention to the wider context of both sides (or even just Israel’s past brutality ) and the need to preserve civilian life – by extension, that this circle of violence only further emphasises the importance of the Peace Movement ; instead, they’ll be seen as a fringe group, shrugged off and only further marginalise the Palestinian cause. Ideology is only half of a political group; you *need* to execute and PBP just *cannot* do the latter.

  20. The only solution seems to be one side needs to win and win hard, for this endless inflammation to be solved. Peace seems to be not an option; iran-fueled Hamas demonstrated what peace talks look like.

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