“As PM promises to ‘maximise benefits of Brexit’, majority of voters say Boris Johnson lied about EU withdrawal
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Almost six out of 10 (57 per cent) believe Boris Johnson lied to them about what Brexit would be like during the bitter referendum campaign of 2016.
And by a clear margin, they said that the Remain campaign’s forecasts of damage to the economy and increased red tape from Brexit have proved more accurate than the Leave campaign’s promises, such as the claim on Mr Johnson’s bus that EU withdrawal would deliver £350m a week for the NHS.
By a slim majority of 51 to 49 per cent respondents said that if they could vote again, they would opt to rejoin the EU – with younger voters hugely more enthusiastic than the old for renewed membership.
More than half of those questioned (51 per cent) want a referendum on rejoining at some point, with 39 per cent saying it should come in the next five years, compared to just 32 per cent who say the issue should never be reopened.
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Judging whether Brexit had worsened or improved a range of aspects of British life, in every case respondents answered in the negative.
A clear majority (59 per cent) said EU withdrawal had damaged relations with the UK’s European neighbours, compared to 14 per cent who said they had improved.
More than half (51 per cent) said Brexit had made it more difficult to access a range of goods and services, compared to 18 per cent who said availability had improved.
Some 45 per cent said the burden of bureaucracy on UK businesses and citizens had increased as a result of leaving the EU, while just 21 per cent believed it had reduced.
On the economy generally, 44 per cent said Brexit had been harmful and 24 per cent beneficial.
Even on Britain’s ability to control its own borders – one of the central promises of the Leave campaign – just 23 per cent said Brexit had helped, against 43 per cent who said it had made matters worse.”
It’s not like we remainers didn’t warn people, having actually done research on the matter to make informed decisions.
Who’s UK… Business or people… the system is rigged, don’t play the game…
I’ve just got one question for anyone who voted leave, Where’s the £350 million for our precious underfunded NHS?
Honest question, are there any ways in which Brexit has been to the UK’s benefit?
> government figures suggest that others with Australia and New Zealand will boost GDP by only a tiny fraction of 1 per cent
And assuming the EU doesn’t get FTAs agreed with those countries, which they will.
> Other benefits claimed by Mr Johnson included a faster Covid vaccine rollout, the introduction of a points-based immigration system, simplification of alcohol duties, the abolition of the Tampon Tax and the restoration of the crown stamp on the side of pint glasses.
In order … nothing to do with Brexit, nothing to do with Brexit, insignificant, already possible in the EU, and even less significant than the alcohol duties thing.
> The UK formally left the EU on 31 January 2020, but a transition period meant that it remained in the single market and customs union and continued to observe Brussels laws until 11pm on 31 December.
And we’ve still not implemented the border and import controls we have to implement. Today marks the first day that we’re doing full customs checks. It’s about to get worse, and there is no plan or plausible route for it getting better.
> 57 per cent said that they believed Mr Johnson lied more than he told the truth in the Brexit debate
Not just that he lied, but that *the majority of what he said was lies*.
> Some 10 per cent of former Leave voters who said they now think it was the wrong decision were balanced by 13 per cent of Remain voters who now think it was right to leave.
“Right” and “wrong” always seem like a bad way to phrase it. Were we “right” to leave? The majority voted for it, so arguably yes. Was it a good decision? Fuck no.
> 32 per cent said the issue should never again be put to a public vote.
And you can guarantee those were the same fools who have been screaming about democracy and “the will of the people” since 2016.
Surprising to no one. Customs checks starting now too so could be messy again soon
Every single person who voted to leave in 2016 owns Brexit.
Voting remain gives us 2016 Losers free rein to point at the Winners as every calamity unfurls and say “I told you so.”
And we will. Don’t you worry.
well colour me stripey and spank me with a damp newspaper
Some of us knew this in 2015 because we listened to people that knew what they were talking about
I like to imagine the face of those who voted for Brexit in order to take back control of immigration, watching news of the record numbers of people are illegally crossing the water from France and the lack of agreements makes it impossible to return them, or properly coordinate a response.
Brexit was a disgrace. The leave vote was based on lies. How did we let us leave when it was so obvious that many voting leave had no idea what they were voting for?
I was too young to vote but probably knew more about the EU than a lot of adults sadly.
I think and hope Boris will begone early this year in a vote of no coffidece
How shall we best serve Britain’s interests? I know – by telling this fucking huge trading bloc we’ve been a part of for decades that we never liked them anyway and they’re a bunch of lazy twats, then leaving it meaning we have to redo all the deals we’ve been enjoying with the rest of the world because of this trading bloc, and making it so nobody trusts us. What could go wrong?!?
Of course it was a success that’s why they are trying to negotiate the fantastic oven ready deal that would let us get fantastic deals from all over the world. Well it’s all working out just swimmingly isn’t it !!!?
I think anyone with half a brain could have told you it was going to be harmful.
All Brexit has done is put restrictions and damage to ourselves, on top of removing rights we’ve had (or at least I’ve had) my whole life. It made zero sense – we were still an independent nation able to make our own rules, had a better deal than most other countries, and at least had a say in things. Now you have zero say, and still have to deal with EU rules in order to travel/work/trade with them – with added costs and paperwork for zero gains and fewer rights.
I don’t think any country in history that I know of has basically shot itself in the foot and voluntarily decided to harm and limit itself. The politicians can now run away with their corruption, filling their pockets with no consequences.
People were lied to, it wasn’t a legally binding vote, and the most damaging Brexit was forced through by politicians. It’s screwed up my work and living situation completely, increased costs, and made us look completely stupid.
Yes I sound bitter, but for the reasons above I have a right to when my life has been heavily damaged and affected because of Brexit.
Brexit is an enemy attack that the UK did to itself.
I’m so glad I voted for Brexit. Especially after reading these comments. If only there were a Brexit++ referendum to go even further— at this point I’d double down just to annoy you smug, baselessly arrogant, half-educated, meagre cretins.
President de Gaulle called this right in the 60s when he said Non. Europe should have heeded his wise words. Don’t make the same mistake twice, EU.
1 simple word to describe people who voted to leave: Traitors!
From my experience, people voted for it to “GeT cOnTrOl Of OuR bOrDeRs AnD gEt ThE fOrEiGnErS oUt!”.
My argument to that hut is simple: Shut it you fucking Racist & Xenophobic piece of shit
Must have been a poor sample, brexiteer’s resolve is as thick as the anti-vaxxers, they’ll never admit reality
Definitely. When they said vote Brexit, and make Britain great again, all they meant, was make it great for the rich again, like it was in Victorian Britain, when workers had no rights.
This sort of subjective vote will always have pros and cons. Just like the Scottish independence referendum. Rather than just be honest and say ‘look its a vote about identity and emotion as the so called hard facts are basically guess work or hypothesis ‘ politicians try to quantify it and end up with lies, mistrust and bad feeling. But we all knew that British interests would suffer in the short term and imo for a long time to come. We’ll be not at the top table anymore. I think we, millennial will be remembered as a lost generation.
> And by a clear margin, they said that the Remain campaign’s forecasts of damage to the economy and increased red tape from Brexit have proved more accurate than the Leave campaign’s promises, such as the claim on Mr Johnson’s bus that EU withdrawal would deliver £350m a week for the NHS.
Slowly, slowly, the tide starts to turn as fantasy collides with reality.
>with younger voters hugely more enthusiastic than the old for renewed membership.
A trend that will hopefully continue as the old die off and more younger voters become eligible. One day, I dream of getting the chance to rejoin.
In other news, turkeys who voted for Christmas are surprised to find their arses are full of sage & onion stuffing and that big shiny cleaver the farmer bought isn’t just for chopping cabbages.
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“As PM promises to ‘maximise benefits of Brexit’, majority of voters say Boris Johnson lied about EU withdrawal
(…)
Almost six out of 10 (57 per cent) believe Boris Johnson lied to them about what Brexit would be like during the bitter referendum campaign of 2016.
And by a clear margin, they said that the Remain campaign’s forecasts of damage to the economy and increased red tape from Brexit have proved more accurate than the Leave campaign’s promises, such as the claim on Mr Johnson’s bus that EU withdrawal would deliver £350m a week for the NHS.
By a slim majority of 51 to 49 per cent respondents said that if they could vote again, they would opt to rejoin the EU – with younger voters hugely more enthusiastic than the old for renewed membership.
More than half of those questioned (51 per cent) want a referendum on rejoining at some point, with 39 per cent saying it should come in the next five years, compared to just 32 per cent who say the issue should never be reopened.
(…)
Judging whether Brexit had worsened or improved a range of aspects of British life, in every case respondents answered in the negative.
A clear majority (59 per cent) said EU withdrawal had damaged relations with the UK’s European neighbours, compared to 14 per cent who said they had improved.
More than half (51 per cent) said Brexit had made it more difficult to access a range of goods and services, compared to 18 per cent who said availability had improved.
Some 45 per cent said the burden of bureaucracy on UK businesses and citizens had increased as a result of leaving the EU, while just 21 per cent believed it had reduced.
On the economy generally, 44 per cent said Brexit had been harmful and 24 per cent beneficial.
Even on Britain’s ability to control its own borders – one of the central promises of the Leave campaign – just 23 per cent said Brexit had helped, against 43 per cent who said it had made matters worse.”
It’s not like we remainers didn’t warn people, having actually done research on the matter to make informed decisions.
Who’s UK… Business or people… the system is rigged, don’t play the game…
I’ve just got one question for anyone who voted leave, Where’s the £350 million for our precious underfunded NHS?
Honest question, are there any ways in which Brexit has been to the UK’s benefit?
> government figures suggest that others with Australia and New Zealand will boost GDP by only a tiny fraction of 1 per cent
And assuming the EU doesn’t get FTAs agreed with those countries, which they will.
> Other benefits claimed by Mr Johnson included a faster Covid vaccine rollout, the introduction of a points-based immigration system, simplification of alcohol duties, the abolition of the Tampon Tax and the restoration of the crown stamp on the side of pint glasses.
In order … nothing to do with Brexit, nothing to do with Brexit, insignificant, already possible in the EU, and even less significant than the alcohol duties thing.
> The UK formally left the EU on 31 January 2020, but a transition period meant that it remained in the single market and customs union and continued to observe Brussels laws until 11pm on 31 December.
And we’ve still not implemented the border and import controls we have to implement. Today marks the first day that we’re doing full customs checks. It’s about to get worse, and there is no plan or plausible route for it getting better.
> 57 per cent said that they believed Mr Johnson lied more than he told the truth in the Brexit debate
Not just that he lied, but that *the majority of what he said was lies*.
> Some 10 per cent of former Leave voters who said they now think it was the wrong decision were balanced by 13 per cent of Remain voters who now think it was right to leave.
“Right” and “wrong” always seem like a bad way to phrase it. Were we “right” to leave? The majority voted for it, so arguably yes. Was it a good decision? Fuck no.
> 32 per cent said the issue should never again be put to a public vote.
And you can guarantee those were the same fools who have been screaming about democracy and “the will of the people” since 2016.
Surprising to no one. Customs checks starting now too so could be messy again soon
Every single person who voted to leave in 2016 owns Brexit.
Voting remain gives us 2016 Losers free rein to point at the Winners as every calamity unfurls and say “I told you so.”
And we will. Don’t you worry.
well colour me stripey and spank me with a damp newspaper
Some of us knew this in 2015 because we listened to people that knew what they were talking about
I like to imagine the face of those who voted for Brexit in order to take back control of immigration, watching news of the record numbers of people are illegally crossing the water from France and the lack of agreements makes it impossible to return them, or properly coordinate a response.
Brexit was a disgrace. The leave vote was based on lies. How did we let us leave when it was so obvious that many voting leave had no idea what they were voting for?
I was too young to vote but probably knew more about the EU than a lot of adults sadly.
I think and hope Boris will begone early this year in a vote of no coffidece
How shall we best serve Britain’s interests? I know – by telling this fucking huge trading bloc we’ve been a part of for decades that we never liked them anyway and they’re a bunch of lazy twats, then leaving it meaning we have to redo all the deals we’ve been enjoying with the rest of the world because of this trading bloc, and making it so nobody trusts us. What could go wrong?!?
Of course it was a success that’s why they are trying to negotiate the fantastic oven ready deal that would let us get fantastic deals from all over the world. Well it’s all working out just swimmingly isn’t it !!!?
I think anyone with half a brain could have told you it was going to be harmful.
All Brexit has done is put restrictions and damage to ourselves, on top of removing rights we’ve had (or at least I’ve had) my whole life. It made zero sense – we were still an independent nation able to make our own rules, had a better deal than most other countries, and at least had a say in things. Now you have zero say, and still have to deal with EU rules in order to travel/work/trade with them – with added costs and paperwork for zero gains and fewer rights.
I don’t think any country in history that I know of has basically shot itself in the foot and voluntarily decided to harm and limit itself. The politicians can now run away with their corruption, filling their pockets with no consequences.
People were lied to, it wasn’t a legally binding vote, and the most damaging Brexit was forced through by politicians. It’s screwed up my work and living situation completely, increased costs, and made us look completely stupid.
Yes I sound bitter, but for the reasons above I have a right to when my life has been heavily damaged and affected because of Brexit.
Brexit is an enemy attack that the UK did to itself.
I’m so glad I voted for Brexit. Especially after reading these comments. If only there were a Brexit++ referendum to go even further— at this point I’d double down just to annoy you smug, baselessly arrogant, half-educated, meagre cretins.
President de Gaulle called this right in the 60s when he said Non. Europe should have heeded his wise words. Don’t make the same mistake twice, EU.
1 simple word to describe people who voted to leave: Traitors!
From my experience, people voted for it to “GeT cOnTrOl Of OuR bOrDeRs AnD gEt ThE fOrEiGnErS oUt!”.
My argument to that hut is simple: Shut it you fucking Racist & Xenophobic piece of shit
Must have been a poor sample, brexiteer’s resolve is as thick as the anti-vaxxers, they’ll never admit reality
Definitely. When they said vote Brexit, and make Britain great again, all they meant, was make it great for the rich again, like it was in Victorian Britain, when workers had no rights.
This sort of subjective vote will always have pros and cons. Just like the Scottish independence referendum. Rather than just be honest and say ‘look its a vote about identity and emotion as the so called hard facts are basically guess work or hypothesis ‘ politicians try to quantify it and end up with lies, mistrust and bad feeling. But we all knew that British interests would suffer in the short term and imo for a long time to come. We’ll be not at the top table anymore. I think we, millennial will be remembered as a lost generation.
> And by a clear margin, they said that the Remain campaign’s forecasts of damage to the economy and increased red tape from Brexit have proved more accurate than the Leave campaign’s promises, such as the claim on Mr Johnson’s bus that EU withdrawal would deliver £350m a week for the NHS.
Slowly, slowly, the tide starts to turn as fantasy collides with reality.
>with younger voters hugely more enthusiastic than the old for renewed membership.
A trend that will hopefully continue as the old die off and more younger voters become eligible. One day, I dream of getting the chance to rejoin.
In other news, turkeys who voted for Christmas are surprised to find their arses are full of sage & onion stuffing and that big shiny cleaver the farmer bought isn’t just for chopping cabbages.