Weißes Haus: Biden hat die Enthauptung israelischer Kinder durch die Hamas weder gesehen noch unabhängig bestätigt

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  2. Self-correction is good. No ignorant doubling down or gaslighting. This story is a sexy headline so it’s going to take time from real stories.

  4. The fact that they murdered children is still very true, as well as the rapes, killing the elderly, throwing grenades into bomb shelters, etc. If “well at least we didn’t behead babies” is the best defense you have to offer, well…

  5. I think a lot of people are obsessed with this because nobody believes anyone can be this evil. I have known Hamas was capable of this level of violence. Most of the Arab countries are aware too which is why no Arab country wants to accept refugees.

  6. Not denying it can’t happen (because Hamas is completely capable of doing something like this), but here’s a small historical bit from the Yugoslav Wars and Vukovar Massacare when a Reuters journalist published a story about how Croatian soldiers had massacred 40+ young Serbian children in a school. This story made it to local news radios and into the minds of the Serbian people. Well, it later turns out that the Reuters journalist had never seen or counted the bodies of these children. I think it’s still debated whether he did that on his own will or because the JNA Army forced him to. Nonetheless, it was too late because the children massacre news had already spread, and it was partly the reason for retaliation by the Serbians which led to the Ovcara Massacre where 250+ Croatians were killed.

  7. If you are clinging to morality by claiming the murdered babies weren’t beheaded, you have no morality to cling to.

  8. The only thing that I know for certain is that none of you will learn anything from this. Most of you will continue believing whatever you want to believe so long as it **feels** true.

    This goes especially for those people who paint the Palestinians as saints and the Israelis as “occupiers”.

  9. Can’t wait to see the leftists in my feed wave this around as if only killing babies in their crib is no big deal.

  10. The story so far is a journalist heard it from one IDF guy.
    That’s it, no further confirmation.
    The reporter whilst at scene weren’t allowed yet to enter the house.

  13. To clear something i see people confused about, no one official in Israel have aimed 40 babies were decapitated, this is a mix of 2 differentreports, one that “about 40 babies where killed” and the other that “victimswere beheaded, man, woman, elderly and infant”, both are horrible by themselves but people have mixed the two together becouse, i if i am not mistaken, both are reported from the same kibbutz ‘kfar aza’, which suffer some of the worst fighting and the army took the longest to clear.

    [one](https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-takes-foreign-journalists-to-see-massacre-site-in-kfar-aza/)

    [two](https://twitter.com/margothaddad/status/1711756690574479651)

    [three ](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/10/middleeast/israel-kibbutzim-kfar-aza-beeri-urim-hamas-attack-intl/index.html)

    [four ](https://twitter.com/USAmbIsrael/status/1712078687968092420?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1712078687968092420%7Ctwgr%5Ea54341fd92eb476f312ff39b302b29f83b9cd052%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.timesofisrael.com%2F%3Fpost_type%3Dliveblog_entryp%3D3119803)

    Will gather more as the articles go up, no one was allowed in aza until they were sure there are no more terrorist there so only yesterday if i am not mistaken

  14. Regardless, Hamas sucks and always has sucked. They are not brave freedom fighters. They’re just more dicks with guns who want control.

  15. It was very irresponsible of Biden to make this claim if it wasn’t true.

  16. It really doesn’t matter if they beheaded them or not. They for sure beheaded adults, kidnapped children, murdered babies and children, etc. It doesn’t somehow make them better or less evil.

  17. I find it funny that the same people who sued Alex Jones for $965 million for what he said about Sandy Hook want proof about whether tens of children were beheaded or only murdered in their cribs

  18. If it is made up, it seems like it came from the bottom up, not the top down. An overzealous solider may have spout his mouth off in a moment of rage after seeing real terrible things, and then everyone else ran with it because it:

    A. Sounds plausible because we already saw what Hamas has done.

    B. Makes for a clickable headline

  19. I thought the chargé d’affaire for the US embassy in Israel [made this statement](https://twitter.com/USAmbIsrael/status/1712078687968092420?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1712078687968092420%7Ctwgr%5Ea54341fd92eb476f312ff39b302b29f83b9cd052%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.timesofisrael.com%2F%3Fpost_type%3Dliveblog_entryp%3D3119803) and sort of confirmed that.

    She is seen on foot at the scene of a massacre to bear witness. And seems really distraught on the verge of crying.

  21. Because it didn’t happen.

    Babies taken from incubators by Iraqis. Babies beheaded by Palestinians. Emotional reaction propaganda.

  22. When I first heard “Hamas is beheading babies,” it sounded a little too bullshit propaganda-y for me to believe.

  23. Basically the whole thing was bull crap propaganda and reddit fell ass first into it

  24. Things like this are extremely important. As much as we may hate to admit it but not everyone’s life is valued the same by society. Not everyone’s death also means the same. We put judgments on the level of evil involved in a death. Just off the top of my head I can create a list of least evil to most evil that I think most would more or less agree with.

    1 being the least evil…

    1. Dead Male soldiers
    2. Dead Female soldiers
    3. Dead civilian men.
    4. Rape, Tortured, mutilated, or desecrated male soldiers.
    5. Dead civilian women.
    6. Dead civilian old people.
    7. Rape, torture, mutilation, desecration female soldiers.
    8. Rape torture etc civilian men
    9. Death of children over 12
    10. rape torture etc civilian women
    11. Death of children under 12
    12. Rape torture etc civilian old people
    13. Death of pregnant women, toddlers, babies.
    14. Rape torture etc pregnant women
    15. Rape torture etc children under 12
    16. Rape torture etc toddlers babies

    This is just me thinking off the top of my head but I think most people would agree that 12 through 16 would be considered a more heinous than one through four.

    So the reason why the story matters is because the higher you go on this scale the more outrage it creates. The more anger it creates and the more bloodlust. So if we are going to go down this list we have to make sure that it’s verified and true.

    If you just listen to the news of the current situation if I recall correctly 250 or so soldiers have died but the emphasis has been far more on the civilian deaths. The sensationalized news has been about children. There’s a reason for that, it’s how we value human life.

  25. If you’d told me 5 days ago that the White House would soon issue a statement regarding beheaded children, I might not have believed you.

  26. Part of the problem with this story is that no one wants to go and look at dead babies.

    If I tell you don’t go in that room it is full of babies with their heads cut off you probably not going to enter that room.

    That is why you read stories like “In one house there was blood all over and off to the side a blanket over a body with only a foot visible, I didn’t look at the body” Yea, because no one wants to having fucking nightmares for the rest of their lives.

    Go read the stories about the cops and fire who responded to Sandy Hook and how some of them were unable to return to work for months due to the trauma of seeing a bunch of dead 5 year olds.

  27. commentators here are gullible sheep. see how they easily fall for bullshit without proof. no proof for beheading nor killing babies. you easily manipulated potato brains.

    On the other hand, you can see many videos of killed Palestinian babies in the last few days.

  28. So let me get this straight: When President Biden said that he was shown the incriminating photos, has he lied on live TV?

  29. Never let facts get in the way of a good propaganda campaign.

  30. What the fuck? Didn’t Biden just say he saw a couple hours ago? Which one is it?

  31. Seems like plenty of apologists here. Whether or not the Israelis do or have done worse is irrelevant. Deflecting from the actions of a terrorist group by saying the enemy does it also is juvenile.

    All these armchair revolutionaries would be singing a very different tune if this was happening to their people in their home country.

  32. I don’t understand how people are trying to prove that Hamas isn’t *THAT* bad? They are raping, killing, kidnapping and murdering innocent civilians including babies – which is a lot different than dropping a bomb on a building in war and having casualties. Murdering babies in their cribs and car seats is not better than beheading them and if that’s the hill you want to die on then so be it clowns

  33. It’s insane how fast people eat up stories that might not even be true as long as it fits their view.

  34. I lived thru the whole babies in incubator fiasco where the American people were lied to by our government. I am just withholding judgment of these situations until more concrete information is confirmed – it’s a terrible loss of life no matter what. What a mess

  35. I just saw the videos of them beheading Thai nationals.

    Biden said in a live statement that he personally saw the photos of decapitated children, so this is odd.

  36. does it matter if babies were decapitated or shot? I understand if there was debate on whether babies were killed in the first place. But does the method matter in this context? They certainly found the bodies

  37. I have seen some of the milder photos. There appears to be a strong push not to believe the bad stories about Hamas, to whitewash there image.

    Toughen up please. It’s happening.

  38. So, it might be fake or might not, but reddit is taking it as it being 1000% true.

    Also, doesn’t matter what’s happened in the past with whomever committing acts of violence but only now is it a problem because it’s not your side.

    Come on.

    Stop believing everything you read. Reddit isn’t better than that and most are just sheep believe whatever is popular.

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