The coiled snake only bites if you try to touch it
Again a miscaracterisation. Israel doesn’t act on vengeance but on need to protect and prevent. Stop misinformation and false equivalence!
Blame Hamas.
Stop blaming Israel over this.
You put these people in an open air prison and did no expect them to fight back? That is human nature and oppression can lead to victims acting horrifically because violence is all they know.
Ah yes, just open the borders of Gaza. The Palastenians certainly wouldn’t immediately start committing daily terrorist attacks and try to exterminate Jews and the state of Israel.
Who writes this garbage?
Someone who clearly doesn’t understand that for a large majority of that population the death of Jews and Israel is a religious commandment. This is not a war of politics. This is a war of religion.
If it is such a humanitarian crisis why does Egypt not open Sinai to the Palastenians? Everyone knows why. Because a large swath of the Gaza population is aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood and would certainly begin attacking Egyptian infrastructure.
Arm chair quarterbacks have tons of “solutions” for Gaza that don’t endanger them personally.
Reads as “Some of you may die, but it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.”
It has been Republican policy since Nixon was forced out.
Tell that to bibi, the donald, vlad, kim, hamas, taliban, hezbola, isis, maga congress… because they don’t get it.
Oh really? I guess whoever wrote this doesn’t have a strong grasp on history or current events.
Iraq and Afghanistan would differ in opinion here.
Israel does not surround Gaza. Egypt borders Gaza. Gaza even used to be part of Egypt. Egypt can provide water, electricity, and food to Gaza. I’m not hearing an explanation for why Gaza is exclusively Israel’s responsibility. I’m not hearing an explanation for why Gaza is a prison, when Gaza borders an Arab state.
Gaza’s population has more than doubled over the last thirty years. Gaza is not crowded because of refugees. The vast majority of the Gaza population was born there.
Hamas took 150 to 200 hostages. Some of those hostages are US citizens. The ground invasion is an attempt to get some of the hostages back. Israel is also likely going to overthrow Hamas. This is a rational reaction to an unprovoked, unjustifiable raid that killed at least 1300 people.
America made this mistake after 9/11.
I am disappointed that we are supporting our ally in making the exact same mistake.
What’s even stranger is the idea that you can do what hamas did and then no one is allowed to respond to that. Like they just have to take and apologize or something
To fascists it is.
Doesnt need to be a policy to be your persuit
You have to strike back and take out the terrorists and terrorist locations to protect your own people. You can’t just sit and say damn that sucks my people got slaughtered. And you absolutely cannot open peace talks right away. That justifies Hamas. Oh see we slaughter their people and it works they want to talk peace now. Absolutely have to destroy them and minimize civilian casualties as much as possible.
It is Trump’s stated policy plan for 2025-TBD
Damn good article!
Damn the GOP are going to be devastated to hear this…
I mean, sure it is. Not usually a good policy. But it can absolutely be an operationalized policy agenda for a government.
It’s easy for us outside the region to say that, and I worry Israel is rushing into a trap, but it’s hard to pass judgment on leaders who are looking at the pictures and videos.
If someone can analyze the images and show they’re fake, great.
But, assuming they’re real, they’re vengeance-making material. I don’t think it’s very useful for us to lecture the Israelis about vengeance being bad.
What might work is raising questions about what cards Hamas and Iran have up their sleeve. Will Israel get vengeance or simply feed its troops into a trap?
What a naive headline….
Offense is the best defense.
Stop them before they durp again ig
Chopping arms is not a love language
Aren’t there a bunch of hostages, too? I might’ve missed Lustick mention of that.
I’d also challenge his claim that this is somehow a direct result of the living conditions Israel and Egypt have forced upon the Palestinians. Was a blockade the impetus for Jews being slaughtered by Arabs in 1929? No? It was something else?
Whole thing reads like it was written by a naive academic who dedicated his career to studying the conflict and can’t see the forest for the trees
I know nobody reads the articles around here, but this is a really great intro/primer of the historical relationship between Israel and Gaza for laypeople (like me). Well worth the read.
An incoherent argument that under the pretext of providing “context” leaves its readers less informed than when they started.
It’s amazing to talk about the 1948 war and say it happened because the UN didn’t provide sufficient administrative support, rather than it occurring because the Arabs in the region unilaterally rejected the plan and any existence of a Jewish state.
It’s also absurd to claim that both A) The Israeli government has supported Hamas since the 80s to weaken the PLA and Fatah and B) Israel attempted a coup to replace Hamas with Fatah after Hamas won elections. One of those things can be true, but they can’t both be true at the same time.
The paper is also literally blaming Israel for the attacks. Even if it’s not saying that in explicit words, it is 100% doing so in how the argument is framed. It’s along the lines of “look what you made them do!”, victim blaming at its zenith.
Also while pretending to be the sober voice of reason providing calm, level headed analysis, the only actual policy suggested is to in the wake of such an attack *give the Palestinians full and equal citizenship* while in the same breath acknowledging Muslims outnumber Jews in the area. That’s not a remotely serious policy proposal. Anyone with a brain can see what that would result in.
It’s really easy to criticize Israel for choosing a bad option if you just pretend there’s some alternative great option that only people as wise and moral as yourself would choose. That isn’t the case. *There are no good options*. Israel is trying to choose the least bad option, and if you don’t actually have a serious alternative to propose then you don’t have a leg to stand on to act as if you could do any better.
Israels policy is terrorism and ethnic cleansing. Always has been. In the end they want the land, and till then theyre happy using natives as a boogeyman for political gain.
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The coiled snake only bites if you try to touch it
Again a miscaracterisation. Israel doesn’t act on vengeance but on need to protect and prevent. Stop misinformation and false equivalence!
Blame Hamas.
Stop blaming Israel over this.
You put these people in an open air prison and did no expect them to fight back? That is human nature and oppression can lead to victims acting horrifically because violence is all they know.
Ah yes, just open the borders of Gaza. The Palastenians certainly wouldn’t immediately start committing daily terrorist attacks and try to exterminate Jews and the state of Israel.
Who writes this garbage?
Someone who clearly doesn’t understand that for a large majority of that population the death of Jews and Israel is a religious commandment. This is not a war of politics. This is a war of religion.
If it is such a humanitarian crisis why does Egypt not open Sinai to the Palastenians? Everyone knows why. Because a large swath of the Gaza population is aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood and would certainly begin attacking Egyptian infrastructure.
Arm chair quarterbacks have tons of “solutions” for Gaza that don’t endanger them personally.
Reads as “Some of you may die, but it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.”
It has been Republican policy since Nixon was forced out.
Tell that to bibi, the donald, vlad, kim, hamas, taliban, hezbola, isis, maga congress… because they don’t get it.
Oh really? I guess whoever wrote this doesn’t have a strong grasp on history or current events.
Iraq and Afghanistan would differ in opinion here.
Israel does not surround Gaza. Egypt borders Gaza. Gaza even used to be part of Egypt. Egypt can provide water, electricity, and food to Gaza. I’m not hearing an explanation for why Gaza is exclusively Israel’s responsibility. I’m not hearing an explanation for why Gaza is a prison, when Gaza borders an Arab state.
Gaza’s population has more than doubled over the last thirty years. Gaza is not crowded because of refugees. The vast majority of the Gaza population was born there.
Hamas took 150 to 200 hostages. Some of those hostages are US citizens. The ground invasion is an attempt to get some of the hostages back. Israel is also likely going to overthrow Hamas. This is a rational reaction to an unprovoked, unjustifiable raid that killed at least 1300 people.
America made this mistake after 9/11.
I am disappointed that we are supporting our ally in making the exact same mistake.
What’s even stranger is the idea that you can do what hamas did and then no one is allowed to respond to that. Like they just have to take and apologize or something
To fascists it is.
Doesnt need to be a policy to be your persuit
You have to strike back and take out the terrorists and terrorist locations to protect your own people. You can’t just sit and say damn that sucks my people got slaughtered. And you absolutely cannot open peace talks right away. That justifies Hamas. Oh see we slaughter their people and it works they want to talk peace now. Absolutely have to destroy them and minimize civilian casualties as much as possible.
It is Trump’s stated policy plan for 2025-TBD
Damn good article!
Damn the GOP are going to be devastated to hear this…
I mean, sure it is. Not usually a good policy. But it can absolutely be an operationalized policy agenda for a government.
It’s easy for us outside the region to say that, and I worry Israel is rushing into a trap, but it’s hard to pass judgment on leaders who are looking at the pictures and videos.
If someone can analyze the images and show they’re fake, great.
But, assuming they’re real, they’re vengeance-making material. I don’t think it’s very useful for us to lecture the Israelis about vengeance being bad.
What might work is raising questions about what cards Hamas and Iran have up their sleeve. Will Israel get vengeance or simply feed its troops into a trap?
What a naive headline….
Offense is the best defense.
Stop them before they durp again ig
Chopping arms is not a love language
Aren’t there a bunch of hostages, too? I might’ve missed Lustick mention of that.
I’d also challenge his claim that this is somehow a direct result of the living conditions Israel and Egypt have forced upon the Palestinians. Was a blockade the impetus for Jews being slaughtered by Arabs in 1929? No? It was something else?
Whole thing reads like it was written by a naive academic who dedicated his career to studying the conflict and can’t see the forest for the trees
I know nobody reads the articles around here, but this is a really great intro/primer of the historical relationship between Israel and Gaza for laypeople (like me). Well worth the read.
An incoherent argument that under the pretext of providing “context” leaves its readers less informed than when they started.
It’s amazing to talk about the 1948 war and say it happened because the UN didn’t provide sufficient administrative support, rather than it occurring because the Arabs in the region unilaterally rejected the plan and any existence of a Jewish state.
It’s also absurd to claim that both A) The Israeli government has supported Hamas since the 80s to weaken the PLA and Fatah and B) Israel attempted a coup to replace Hamas with Fatah after Hamas won elections. One of those things can be true, but they can’t both be true at the same time.
The paper is also literally blaming Israel for the attacks. Even if it’s not saying that in explicit words, it is 100% doing so in how the argument is framed. It’s along the lines of “look what you made them do!”, victim blaming at its zenith.
Also while pretending to be the sober voice of reason providing calm, level headed analysis, the only actual policy suggested is to in the wake of such an attack *give the Palestinians full and equal citizenship* while in the same breath acknowledging Muslims outnumber Jews in the area. That’s not a remotely serious policy proposal. Anyone with a brain can see what that would result in.
It’s really easy to criticize Israel for choosing a bad option if you just pretend there’s some alternative great option that only people as wise and moral as yourself would choose. That isn’t the case. *There are no good options*. Israel is trying to choose the least bad option, and if you don’t actually have a serious alternative to propose then you don’t have a leg to stand on to act as if you could do any better.
Israels policy is terrorism and ethnic cleansing. Always has been. In the end they want the land, and till then theyre happy using natives as a boogeyman for political gain.