> The scientific poll by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research also found plummeting support for President Mahmoud Abbas, who was sidelined by the war but is seen internationally as a partner for reviving the long-defunct peace process.
> The poll found that 53% of Palestinians believe Hamas is “most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people,” while only 14% prefer Abbas’ secular Fatah party.
That was 2021, not 2006. Why are people so willing to twist the truth and make all sorts of outlandish excuses for Palestinians, but if an Israeli sneezes wrong it’s “Apartheid” and “Genocide” or worse?
He should have overthrown Hamas in the last 16 years. Insted they let it govern Gaza
Palestinian “leaders” seem to be either terrorists or opportunistic clowns…
How can either faction remotely expect to be taken seriously?
Maybe Palestine should do something about em
Fellow redditors, EVEN IF Hamas represents Palestine, it still doesn’t justify the killing of civilians. No matter how many war crimes Putin committed, we don’t starve Russian citizens off basic necessities or ignore their lives in combat. This is how war works after WW2.
People don’t understand that even though Israel (at least the past 20 years) was not eager to sign peace, they also had no one to talk to that didn’t endangered its survival.
Hamas? A jihadist movement calling for the extermination of Israel and the Jews.
Abbas? A renown holocaust denier who is famous for having embezzling millions of International aids. Just like Arafat, a billionaire. Let’s not forget that in 2005, by his own accounts, he refused an Israeli offer for 97% of the West Bank. Last and not least, his ‘government’ is giving bounties for anyone who kills a Jew.
Israel isn’t running to reach peace. But damn, Palestinians are also highly responsible for the situation they are in. Most people are just very uneducated about this complex conflict.
So now they are distancing themselves from them? Hmm
This is politics. He’s making himself an option for negotiation. Do the actions of Hamas represent the people of Palestine? Yeah, they kinda do. That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t accept peace in some form. Abbas is hardly an avatar of justice and has sad some nasty things as is requisite for representing angry people. He’s quite possibly corrupt in a lot of ways. But like we’re grasping at straws and he’s offering a straw.
That’s great. So what is his plan about doing anything about it? Hamas hides behind palestinians, sheltering in their homes, forcing palestinians to take bullets meant for them. What is a reasonable plan to get rid of Hamas without any palestinians being hurt in the process? I am genuinely asking, because I have seen no solutions. Only accusations.
Why hasn’t anyone told the pro Palestine protestors around the world this yet??
They should probably distance themselves from Hamas if they want people to stop conflating the two.
Took a week to say this. Hamas must feel they’re in big trouble
They do represent Gaza though
Yes, I think those who support Palestinians should make their voice loud to condemn Hamas. The pro-Palestine rallies and protests should be vocal about the criticism of Hamas, instead of just blaming Jews and Israelis.
If none of these terrorist organizations represent Palestinians, how come the Palestinians keep creating them, decade after decade?
This is 100% true, but it doesn’t change the fact that him and Palestine’s governments outside of Gaza also still suck. He is an holocaust denier by the way.
Should’ve made that statement Day 1.
Yet Hamas is the ruling political party in Gaza… lol
Please explain what do ELECTED Palestinian leaders actually do FOR Palestinians if they do NOT represent those whom they elect.
Why did he wait days to condemn the attack then, and only do it with a “Both sides” statement after air strikes were occurring?
If Abbas and the Palestinians truly felt this way, couldn’t they have made a statement on Day 1? Or even Day 2?
> The Palestinian people have the right to defend themselves against the “terror of settlers and occupation troops,” the official news agency WAFA quoted Abbas as saying.
Would be great if Palestinians and Israeli could work together to destroy Hamas and bring peace and understanding to the region.
It only took him a week and massive pressure from Biden to condemn it!
And if he doesn’t support them how comes he pays these vile terrorists with the PLO’s “Martyr Fund”?
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Sure, sure. But he himself hates jews and Israel, and he represents palestinians.
The actions of the elected government of half of the Palestinians in Israel definitely represents them, that’s the damned problem.
Edit:
https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87
> The scientific poll by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research also found plummeting support for President Mahmoud Abbas, who was sidelined by the war but is seen internationally as a partner for reviving the long-defunct peace process.
> The poll found that 53% of Palestinians believe Hamas is “most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people,” while only 14% prefer Abbas’ secular Fatah party.
That was 2021, not 2006. Why are people so willing to twist the truth and make all sorts of outlandish excuses for Palestinians, but if an Israeli sneezes wrong it’s “Apartheid” and “Genocide” or worse?
It gets worse. Polls showing widespread support for terrorism: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2011/05/17/chapter-4-views-of-extremist-groups-and-suicide-bombing/
And here from just back in March. https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/1679132655-71-of-palestinians-support-huwara-shooting-which-killed-2-israeli-brothers?__cf_chl_tk=mZ_S9fbu_Ob4p13RGp9xcGQ9JM00Jb03KEJd2aqAjY4-1697408709-0-gaNycGzNCpA
[53%](https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87) of Palestinians support Hamas so I guess he’s half right?
He should have overthrown Hamas in the last 16 years. Insted they let it govern Gaza
Palestinian “leaders” seem to be either terrorists or opportunistic clowns…
How can either faction remotely expect to be taken seriously?
Maybe Palestine should do something about em
Fellow redditors, EVEN IF Hamas represents Palestine, it still doesn’t justify the killing of civilians. No matter how many war crimes Putin committed, we don’t starve Russian citizens off basic necessities or ignore their lives in combat. This is how war works after WW2.
People don’t understand that even though Israel (at least the past 20 years) was not eager to sign peace, they also had no one to talk to that didn’t endangered its survival.
Hamas? A jihadist movement calling for the extermination of Israel and the Jews.
Abbas? A renown holocaust denier who is famous for having embezzling millions of International aids. Just like Arafat, a billionaire. Let’s not forget that in 2005, by his own accounts, he refused an Israeli offer for 97% of the West Bank. Last and not least, his ‘government’ is giving bounties for anyone who kills a Jew.
Israel isn’t running to reach peace. But damn, Palestinians are also highly responsible for the situation they are in. Most people are just very uneducated about this complex conflict.
So now they are distancing themselves from them? Hmm
This is politics. He’s making himself an option for negotiation. Do the actions of Hamas represent the people of Palestine? Yeah, they kinda do. That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t accept peace in some form. Abbas is hardly an avatar of justice and has sad some nasty things as is requisite for representing angry people. He’s quite possibly corrupt in a lot of ways. But like we’re grasping at straws and he’s offering a straw.
That’s great. So what is his plan about doing anything about it? Hamas hides behind palestinians, sheltering in their homes, forcing palestinians to take bullets meant for them. What is a reasonable plan to get rid of Hamas without any palestinians being hurt in the process? I am genuinely asking, because I have seen no solutions. Only accusations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund
Why hasn’t anyone told the pro Palestine protestors around the world this yet??
They should probably distance themselves from Hamas if they want people to stop conflating the two.
Took a week to say this. Hamas must feel they’re in big trouble
They do represent Gaza though
Yes, I think those who support Palestinians should make their voice loud to condemn Hamas. The pro-Palestine rallies and protests should be vocal about the criticism of Hamas, instead of just blaming Jews and Israelis.
If none of these terrorist organizations represent Palestinians, how come the Palestinians keep creating them, decade after decade?
This is 100% true, but it doesn’t change the fact that him and Palestine’s governments outside of Gaza also still suck. He is an holocaust denier by the way.
Should’ve made that statement Day 1.
Yet Hamas is the ruling political party in Gaza… lol
Please explain what do ELECTED Palestinian leaders actually do FOR Palestinians if they do NOT represent those whom they elect.
Why did he wait days to condemn the attack then, and only do it with a “Both sides” statement after air strikes were occurring?
If Abbas and the Palestinians truly felt this way, couldn’t they have made a statement on Day 1? Or even Day 2?
Edit: [Here is his statement from October 8](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/world-reacts-surprise-attack-by-hamas-israel-2023-10-07/)
> The Palestinian people have the right to defend themselves against the “terror of settlers and occupation troops,” the official news agency WAFA quoted Abbas as saying.
Would be great if Palestinians and Israeli could work together to destroy Hamas and bring peace and understanding to the region.
It only took him a week and massive pressure from Biden to condemn it!
And if he doesn’t support them how comes he pays these vile terrorists with the PLO’s “Martyr Fund”?
Just a reminder he called it [a justified act of defence](https://www.newarab.com/news/abbas-stresses-palestinian-right-defence-after-hamas-op?amp) a few days ago when it wasn’t politically cool to oppose Hamas
No one is fkn saying that.
Yes they do, yes they do.