Possibly staged photo from Russian source allegedly showing a HARM missile that missed a Buk M-3 SAM system. Opinions from anyone with relevant technical experience welcome.
by tractoroperator77
Possibly staged photo from Russian source allegedly showing a HARM missile that missed a Buk M-3 SAM system. Opinions from anyone with relevant technical experience welcome.
by tractoroperator77
39 comments
To my layman’s eyes it looks like someone dug a hole in the field and stuck the missile in there to make it seem like a miss. Am I wrong? I try to treat all Russian sources as potential propaganda and thus with a large dose of skepticism.
Break the Fake…
Primary School Photo-shop-Work….
Is this just for “internal use” (=brainwashed RuZZians in propaganda TV) or should the international community been addressed? The later says…..NOPE, THX….next time maybe 🙂
The elongated ground disruption from what looks like a needle-prick into soft ground is suspicious to me, but idk. Velocity does crazy things with mass, still weird how it got stuck so shallow like a ruski rocket into pavement like we’ve seen in cities.
I am not convinced.
Russian source = automatic b.s.
This image has been manipulated. Just look at the pixelated/blurred pattern to the left and right of the missile.
Also, the patch where the missile is stuck is much sunnier than the rest of the field, which suggests that it has been taken from a different photo which was taken under different conditions.
But that’s just my first-glance impressions.
absolute looney tunes shit
Fucking amateur hour
Maximum speed: Mach 2.9
I imagine a pile going in straight down at Mach 2.9 wouldnt be this intact and if it were, it would be twenty metres deep.
Half way up the missile you can see the blurr marks from photo shop, presumably taking the fins away and moving them in the dirt. This trash is meant for the average Russian, not anyone with free thinking.
Looks some what of a slide and dig too. Or the slide was the first thought and standing up in a dug hole was a better thought. Looks staged
Not what an impact crater looks like
Shovel marks on the clay to the left of the “missile” impact crater would show a different dispersion of clay. This is fake
It just looks like someone dug a small hole wide enough to plant the missile in there and then threw a bunch of cold, dry dirt around the missile, even a dud makes a crater, just look at the duds that have hit tarmac in cities.
Its photoshopped look at the edges of the rocket
An AGM88 will make a bigger hole, even if it is a dud, due to the stored energy E=mass*speed*speed. Sure if the motor fails it might be different.
Totally staged. I’m kind of surprised they didn’t accidentally leave a shovel in the photo.
More propaganda fallout from whatever weapons storage area the Russians got/hit. Russians lack knowledge of basic physics I suppose with all these stage photos lately.
Missile looks too intact for a miss and it looks scuffed
“possibly staged”
It’s Russian war photos… Might as well be all green screen lol
I call bullshit on that photo
There are duds in any manufacturing process, also yes HARMS can miss. So what? Whether it’s real or doctored it’s just one instance not a systemic problem with the technology.
We know they engage in propaganda, the west also has its own propaganda 🙂
Either way HARMS be fucking up Russia
Ive seen drainage pipes that look like this
Looks fake AF , but even though – no system has a 100% hit rate , well unless you count the A bomb but at that point you are aiming at a geographical area. With HARM tehre a a lot that can make it miss, it is not magic , and ruzzians do have some tactics to try and avoid it. But in more cases then not they hit.
You think.
Hmm. The hole looks like it may have been dug with a shovel. Some of the dirt clods have a flat side on them like a shovel would make.
Yep, I would say staged. Dirt looks piled up by hand.
30 year old missles will fail at a high rate.
I don’t understand why every military expert here is jumping to conclusions so fast. This looks exactly like the tail section of a HARM-88 should [look](https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2022/08/11/harm-missile-case.jpg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1920). If the missile was intercepted or malfunctioned, we don’t know. If it actually hit its target, the impact explosion could easily rip the tail off and throw it around and away from the impact side. Doesn’t matter thou. But, pardon me, most here seem to have either the imagination of a dirt road or way too much of it.
Staged. That holes been dug.
definitely not an impact creator as it to long and that’s soft ground it should have been burred at least up to its fins
As an actual retoucher I would say that there is something fishy here, but not “clearly fake” as some seem to think. The blur marks in the middle of the picture wouldn’t be from Photoshop since it wouldn’t leave blurry lines like that. I’m guessing it’s a shitty removal of a watermark. However what I’m thinking IS weird, is the lighting on the upper half of the thing, it seems a tad too flat. Then again, neither the blur or the lighting is proof that it’s fake. But that “impact crater” doesn’t look right.. More like someone suck that thing in there and snapped a picture of it.
That is a really bad fake.
As others have pointed out, you can see a lot of the blurring and copying in the middle section. There’s a whole lot of stuff here that just looks fake, including the Buk in the background.
But more than anything, the churned up clumps of dirt around the “Harm” missile looks like it was added to help it stand up.
I’m calling BS on this. Russian disinformation at work.
[https://imgur.com/a/lYNSEFq](https://imgur.com/a/lYNSEFq)
Asuming the rocket did explode there would be no reason fot it to be that intackt. Asuming the rocket did not explode, there shouldnt be that much dirt around it.
[Examples](https://postimg.cc/56YTk8Pz)
From the physics standpoint the dirt and the impact make no sense in any way. I do not know the background of the engagement… but…
– It is almost perfectly vertical. If it was fired at a distance at a ground target its trajectory would be an arc.
– Kinetic impacts without an explosion do not usually toss any dirt. Explosions pulverize dirt. That is dirt that has been dug. You can even see the shovel flat marks on the large chunk in the lower left. You can also see the clay layers and the top soil levels that are clearly separated indicative of digging. Kinetic impacts make a relatively clean hole with no dirt moved. This round would be considered a “Soft” impact as it is still exposed. It would not of tossed all that soil. It would of more than likely symmetrically moved the soil around it.
This looks like soil was dug and packed around it like someone buried this on purpose.
Those are clear shovel marks in the ground.
My main issue is the colour. That body is painted white. The HARM is unique in being painted FS36622, which is a warm light grey colour. It can look white, but a muted-off white at best. That is *WHITE*.
ITT: a whole stack of people who haven’t really considered the physics of a low angle impact with terrain. A simple search for “unexplored bomb” shows a bunch of examples of bombs with bent fin sections. Why? Because it’s what happens when you have a heavy front section and a weaker rear section. The front penetrates and stops, and the rear buckles and folds.
As far as this one goes, it’s pretty clear cut, it came in from the top left of the photo, you can see the furrow that it formed as it dug into the ground. The loose dirt in front of it is characteristic of what happens when a big fast heavy thing hits the ground at a low angle, it throws the dirt forwards. The markings, shape, fin mounts etc are all good examples of an AGM88 you can see the suspension mounts next to the bit that people are calling a join line. It’s not a join, it’s the reinforced section of the casing which has to exist to allow the missile to hang off a fighter jet pulling G’s. You can see the dirt smear from the missile sliding into the ground and can see the large forward guidance fins which have been ripped off and bent in the impact. The one at the bottom right even has the pivot mechanism showing.
I get that everyone wants to believe that the western super weapons never fail, but they do and this is just one example.
From a weapon engineer’s perspective(not from the USA), it looks “credible.”…. however.
It’s hard to tell. I would expect to see some minor discolouration from the rocket motor burn. The sides tend to get quite hot at the later stages of the burn. This looks pristine.
According to some forensic the picture was taken by a Motorola in 2016