And we never even blinked in the direction of the Saudi Royal family who bankrolled Al Qaeda.
No shit Sherlock. Can Americans get a tax refund on that now.
Republican war.
Can I get a refund on that applied to my student loan balance or some daycare or I dunno something? That was a long pointless war that could’ve been solved by a 6 week air campaign and special ops missions instead.
They should poll the military contractors and suppliers who got rich off of it and see if they think it was worth it. Will probably get a very different response.
Most wars are not
it was Gen-X and Mellenials Vietnam
all because Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Gonzales, Powell and Bush. they are war-criminals. scum of the earth.
He deserves an even lower score than he has on foreign policy, I miss the days when Historians put him in Deep Red like Trump– good times, he’s still a bottom quartile POTUS, though.
Right. Done for same reasons like every other war; give the officers/NCOs battle experience, and test out new armaments.
9/11 was an international crime, not an act of war, and should have been treated as such. but if it was an act of war- it would be saudi arabia that was responsible, not afghanistan.
This is a portion of the mistakes Biden addressed today.
No kidding! after costing the lives and health of thousands of servicemen and women and spending trillions of dollars we left the country in the same shitty condition ( if not worse) it was in before the invasion and ruled by the same homicidal religious fanatics that we removed from power 20 years ago.
Same with the Iraq and Vietnam war. It was good that they destroyed Isis and Usama bin Laden but they didn’t need endless costly wars that achieved nothing.
Neither was Iraq.
You know, it’s weird. I protested the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. And people, both Democrats and Republicans gave me shit for it.
But now, everyone was against it the whole time! You’ll never find a motherfucker that admits they were in favor of those wars. You can barely find anyone who voted for Bush! Especially the second time.
Oh but the Republican Dick Cheney’s company Wackenhut was totally worth the hundreds of millions in government contracts.
idk the republicans plan to run against Biden withdrawing drom afghanistan, they’re just trying to figure out how to message the notion that we weren’t there long enough or that Trump didn’t completely give the country to the taliban.
As it always is, you’re allowed to say it was a bad idea only after it happens.
The war amounted to a series of blunders over the course of nearly two decades that led to countless civilian and military casualties and deaths.
Not to mention a failure to accomplish what became the publicly stated goal of reconstruction in the region.
Waging a war in Iraq certainly didn’t help, and it was also unacceptable that America and its allies couldn’t even build significant infrastructure in the region via “the ring road”.
Really, at the center of this reconstruction effort was such a road, but when it turned into a Taliban/Terrorist strategic military advantage, and every mile of road was costing upwards of millions of dollars to build due to having to hire independent security teams to fend off Taliban insurgents and disable IEDs, we failed at that too…
And then there’s the failure at establishing any sort of lasting autonomous government not riddled with corruption or a competent and organized military force in Afghanistan.
Don’t forget the obvious implications and motivations for the war in the first place.
Add all this up and the fact that Donald Trump literally negotiated with terrorists to set a deadline for a withdrawal while we had one foot in the door and one foot out maintaining whatever shred of stability was left in the region and the aforementioned withdrawal deal had very little conditions associated with it despite what Trump and his supporters will tell you in retrospect, it’s all singlehandedly Biden’s fault…
Agree *now*. One of those groups needed 20 years of misery to figure it out.
People always realize this years after the fact… in the midst of the war, both sides are usually yearning for blood.
Most Americans, I think, believe the Afghan war was a war they agreed with because of the attack on the World Trade Center and the United States . It was the Iraq war that wasn’t worth being fought over that turned out to have been waged under false pretenses
Go in. Remove the Taliban. Take out as many terrorists as possible. Get Bin Laden. Do your best to nation build for 5 years max. Get out.
We could not feasibly leave the region until Bin Laden was taken out, so that would mean at some point during Obama’s second term we should have been out of there. Still a long time of course.
Everyone knew the withdrawal was going to be an absolute shit show no matter what and their approval would take hits among heavy criticism. Bush passed the buck to Obama. Obama passed the buck to Trump. Trump passed the buck to Biden. I commend Biden for not passing the buck to the next POTUS.
I bet the warmongers who got government contracts for weapons etc don’t think so.
No shit.
I mean, yeah. We spent decades terrorizing villagers, then expected them to think we were wonderful.
There’s a reason there was constant terrorist sabotage of the few major engineering projects. It might have actually created good will.
We spent those same decades building roads, irrigation systems, and wells, we might have actually done something to make the world a better place.
Instead we just mostly just replaced misery with more misery, and then abandoned those people that helped us in the hope we would make lives better.
It was absolutely wasted time.
> Well worth every penny and every life.
-Defense Contractors
It’s frustrating to see the same people so insistent that American blood had to be spilled in a nation building exercise in Iraq now refuse to support merely providing aid to Ukraine.
Not if you divert most of your military resources to the wrong country.
Glad we can get both republicans and democrats to agree on something, now as for the color of the sky, they can fight about that
but republicans got us in to it
I think it made more sense than Iraq.
But the US needed to have a clearer understanding of the mission and a definition of success.
“Kill the terrorists” felt good right after 9/11, but a successful war strives toward a goal.
Depends on how you define ‘worth it’, I guess. I’m sure the people with millions of dollars in defense stocks would disagree.
Worth it to the defense contractors
As someone who came out 80% disabled and had been trying to get to 100% since 2010, no fucking shit.
Bullet wound in my right knee.
5 knee surgeries. 6 dislocations.
3 tbi.
5 broken fingers.
Broken nose x2.
Broken ankle.
Concussions x6.
Loss of 40% of hearing thresholds in both ears.
And I can’t get full benefits. After 13 years.
And politicians wonder why veteran’s are always telling people not to join the military anymore.
I just realized. As of 0228 eastern usa time. I have been out exactly 13 years, today.
I can’t work a normal job, I’ve driven lyft for more than 5 years. Currently I can’t even fund my own place because apartments keep turning me down after I left my last apartment after it jacked up the price 300 bucks.living with family. Apartments nor the government care about disabled veterans.
Should of just hit it and quit it then send our highly skilled terrorists group (special forces) to do some cleaning ever so often as threats and sabre rattling arises.
It was worth it to industry , they made a shot ton.
Having an unneccesary war decreases readiness when you really need one. What did afghanastan really acomplish in the end? Iraqs juatification was a fabrication.
I remember when democrats were against going to war in Afghanistan/Iraq and Republicans called us America-hating communists and all kinds of names because of it.
American public responds: Duh
Oh gee only took 20 years to catch up what a good chunk of us knew from the moment it was announced.
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And we never even blinked in the direction of the Saudi Royal family who bankrolled Al Qaeda.
No shit Sherlock. Can Americans get a tax refund on that now.
Republican war.
Can I get a refund on that applied to my student loan balance or some daycare or I dunno something? That was a long pointless war that could’ve been solved by a 6 week air campaign and special ops missions instead.
They should poll the military contractors and suppliers who got rich off of it and see if they think it was worth it. Will probably get a very different response.
Most wars are not
it was Gen-X and Mellenials Vietnam
all because Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Gonzales, Powell and Bush. they are war-criminals. scum of the earth.
Barbara Lee vindicated ^(sort of)
Is this poll from 2002?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxNprnas7i8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxNprnas7i8)
He deserves an even lower score than he has on foreign policy, I miss the days when Historians put him in Deep Red like Trump– good times, he’s still a bottom quartile POTUS, though.
Right. Done for same reasons like every other war; give the officers/NCOs battle experience, and test out new armaments.
9/11 was an international crime, not an act of war, and should have been treated as such. but if it was an act of war- it would be saudi arabia that was responsible, not afghanistan.
This is a portion of the mistakes Biden addressed today.
No kidding! after costing the lives and health of thousands of servicemen and women and spending trillions of dollars we left the country in the same shitty condition ( if not worse) it was in before the invasion and ruled by the same homicidal religious fanatics that we removed from power 20 years ago.
Same with the Iraq and Vietnam war. It was good that they destroyed Isis and Usama bin Laden but they didn’t need endless costly wars that achieved nothing.
Neither was Iraq.
You know, it’s weird. I protested the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. And people, both Democrats and Republicans gave me shit for it.
But now, everyone was against it the whole time! You’ll never find a motherfucker that admits they were in favor of those wars. You can barely find anyone who voted for Bush! Especially the second time.
Oh but the Republican Dick Cheney’s company Wackenhut was totally worth the hundreds of millions in government contracts.
idk the republicans plan to run against Biden withdrawing drom afghanistan, they’re just trying to figure out how to message the notion that we weren’t there long enough or that Trump didn’t completely give the country to the taliban.
As it always is, you’re allowed to say it was a bad idea only after it happens.
The war amounted to a series of blunders over the course of nearly two decades that led to countless civilian and military casualties and deaths.
Not to mention a failure to accomplish what became the publicly stated goal of reconstruction in the region.
Waging a war in Iraq certainly didn’t help, and it was also unacceptable that America and its allies couldn’t even build significant infrastructure in the region via “the ring road”.
Really, at the center of this reconstruction effort was such a road, but when it turned into a Taliban/Terrorist strategic military advantage, and every mile of road was costing upwards of millions of dollars to build due to having to hire independent security teams to fend off Taliban insurgents and disable IEDs, we failed at that too…
And then there’s the failure at establishing any sort of lasting autonomous government not riddled with corruption or a competent and organized military force in Afghanistan.
Don’t forget the obvious implications and motivations for the war in the first place.
Add all this up and the fact that Donald Trump literally negotiated with terrorists to set a deadline for a withdrawal while we had one foot in the door and one foot out maintaining whatever shred of stability was left in the region and the aforementioned withdrawal deal had very little conditions associated with it despite what Trump and his supporters will tell you in retrospect, it’s all singlehandedly Biden’s fault…
Agree *now*. One of those groups needed 20 years of misery to figure it out.
People always realize this years after the fact… in the midst of the war, both sides are usually yearning for blood.
Most Americans, I think, believe the Afghan war was a war they agreed with because of the attack on the World Trade Center and the United States . It was the Iraq war that wasn’t worth being fought over that turned out to have been waged under false pretenses
Go in. Remove the Taliban. Take out as many terrorists as possible. Get Bin Laden. Do your best to nation build for 5 years max. Get out.
We could not feasibly leave the region until Bin Laden was taken out, so that would mean at some point during Obama’s second term we should have been out of there. Still a long time of course.
Everyone knew the withdrawal was going to be an absolute shit show no matter what and their approval would take hits among heavy criticism. Bush passed the buck to Obama. Obama passed the buck to Trump. Trump passed the buck to Biden. I commend Biden for not passing the buck to the next POTUS.
I bet the warmongers who got government contracts for weapons etc don’t think so.
No shit.
I mean, yeah. We spent decades terrorizing villagers, then expected them to think we were wonderful.
There’s a reason there was constant terrorist sabotage of the few major engineering projects. It might have actually created good will.
We spent those same decades building roads, irrigation systems, and wells, we might have actually done something to make the world a better place.
Instead we just mostly just replaced misery with more misery, and then abandoned those people that helped us in the hope we would make lives better.
It was absolutely wasted time.
> Well worth every penny and every life.
-Defense Contractors
It’s frustrating to see the same people so insistent that American blood had to be spilled in a nation building exercise in Iraq now refuse to support merely providing aid to Ukraine.
Not if you divert most of your military resources to the wrong country.
Glad we can get both republicans and democrats to agree on something, now as for the color of the sky, they can fight about that
but republicans got us in to it
I think it made more sense than Iraq.
But the US needed to have a clearer understanding of the mission and a definition of success.
“Kill the terrorists” felt good right after 9/11, but a successful war strives toward a goal.
Depends on how you define ‘worth it’, I guess. I’m sure the people with millions of dollars in defense stocks would disagree.
Worth it to the defense contractors
As someone who came out 80% disabled and had been trying to get to 100% since 2010, no fucking shit.
Bullet wound in my right knee.
5 knee surgeries. 6 dislocations.
3 tbi.
5 broken fingers.
Broken nose x2.
Broken ankle.
Concussions x6.
Loss of 40% of hearing thresholds in both ears.
And I can’t get full benefits. After 13 years.
And politicians wonder why veteran’s are always telling people not to join the military anymore.
I just realized. As of 0228 eastern usa time. I have been out exactly 13 years, today.
I can’t work a normal job, I’ve driven lyft for more than 5 years. Currently I can’t even fund my own place because apartments keep turning me down after I left my last apartment after it jacked up the price 300 bucks.living with family. Apartments nor the government care about disabled veterans.
Should of just hit it and quit it then send our highly skilled terrorists group (special forces) to do some cleaning ever so often as threats and sabre rattling arises.
It was worth it to industry , they made a shot ton.
Having an unneccesary war decreases readiness when you really need one. What did afghanastan really acomplish in the end? Iraqs juatification was a fabrication.
I remember when democrats were against going to war in Afghanistan/Iraq and Republicans called us America-hating communists and all kinds of names because of it.
American public responds: Duh
Oh gee only took 20 years to catch up what a good chunk of us knew from the moment it was announced.