>The Israel Defense Forces on Tuesday issued photos it said showed fuel tanks in the Gaza Strip, asserting it had information that large amounts of fuel were being kept there by Hamas.
>The photos were shared by the IDF’s Arabic-language account on X, formerly Twitter, depicting a location near the Rafah crossing, in the south of the Gaza Strip.
>“This is what over half a million liters of diesel looks like,” wrote IDF Arabic spokesman Avichay Adraee, “while Hamas keeps claiming it does not have enough fuel to support hospitals and bakeries.”
>The post was published a few hours after Hamas said that a power outage at the Indonesian Hospital in the northern Gaza Strip was a “crime against humanity” and called on Arab and Muslim countries and the UN to take steps to address the crisis.
What is the logic to turn off power and not bomb the reserves (as it seems they know where they are) ?
I am not saying they should, I am saying it is not consistent.
I guess each side thinks one like = one rocket?
With their mishandling the Shireen assassination, the IDF lost a lot of credibility. Thankfully Israel is a society with investigative journalism to hold it’s feet to the fire. It’s why democracy and free speech are so important.
That said, is this not the dynamic right now:
People: Pics or it didn’t happen
*IDF presents pics*
People: It still didn’t happen
They stocked up on weapons, fuel and rockets but seemingly forgot about stocking up on food and water for the civilians.
Islamists:
“this fuel wasn’t stolen from foreign aid given to Gazan citizens, no way.
It was donated to Hamas for use in it’s orphanages and soup kitchens.
It’s not for powering generators for running terror tunnels, no way”
Looks like tanks for fuel – not fuel
so this is a publicly available satellite image, not some exclusive software. The Google maps image of this area was obv taken before the Rafah crossing was complete and shows no development in this section (right on the edge of the border with Egypt), but some alternative satellite applications (“3D Earth&Moon”, to name one) show the completed crossing station and this new developed plot to the just a mile or so north of the Rafah crossing. exact same image.
not that i would put it past hamas at all to hoard resources at the direct expense of “their own people”. by all means, share this with the world, but offer more than just a public access satellite image. The article linked here gives zero insight into how IDF knows these are fuel tanks (as opposed to water storage tanks, etc) or, more importantly, how they know that these tanks have anything in them at all. considering it is a relatively new build they could be entirely empty for all they know. i could just as easily screenshot this area and claim the same and that would have just about as much validity.
the stakes to gain perceived leverage in this narrative is too dire and ongoing situation too volatile to trust any unverified breaking news, no matter the source.
That’s one of the reasons Israel opposed to some extent. humanitarian aid.
Israel knows very well that Hamas is a despicable group that literally takes away needed goods from its own population.
They take their fuel, and smuggle weapons and military equipment in trucks used for humanitarian aid.
Now there are trucks going into Gaza, it’s almost certain that some of them contain equipment for Hamas but that’s the risk you take for not starving entire population.
I get why they can’t do it, but it’s hard not to think of that as a pretty tempting bomb target.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this is just a surplus for Hamas for during normal operations.
People are underestimating how organised they are. Ffs they have employee benefits such as family health plans.
They have months worth of fuel, food, ammunition and medical supplies in their tunnels. One of the purposes of the tunnels into Egypt was smuggling fuel.
The reality is they don’t give a shit about the civilians.
Blow that shit to the moon
Gotta hand it to Israel here – they know how to win the narrative war. Need aid for Gaza? Hamas is hording everything the civilians need. Don’t think they raped kids? Show the reporters everything, they confirm it. Think they are bombing schools just because? Here are videos of them launching rockets off a kindergarten play structure.
Meanwhile hamas lies about hospitals being destroyed.
wE dOn’T kNoW iF tHeReS fUeL iN tHeRe ! 🤖
“The hospital was hit by a power outage on Monday night due to a fuel shortage. Al Jazeera reported that electricity was restored during the night, but the hospital only has fuel to operate generators for 48 more hours, after which lifesaving medical devices such as respirators and incubators will cease functioning.”
So first it was 24 hours left of… everything. A week later and it’s still operating. Now another hospital has 48 hours to go. Sounds like bow who cried wolf.
So bomb the tanks and the same instant let fuel in through their crossing to the UN and the Red Cross.
Instead they are: no fuel in, Hamas has fuel we see it from here.
How’s Reddit going to spin this?
If you needed more proof that hamas doesn’t care about Palestinians here it is
Prove it! /s
“But we’re running out if fuel and people are going to die!”
Well shit, even Hamas stealing fuel from its own people is Israels fault.” Tf people.
Why hasn’t IDF bombed this stash?
There is zero accountability placed on Hamas. Not to share their resources. Not to stop stealing. Zero.
Did the IDF open the tanks to confirm it has fuel?
Yup… Keep giving aid that Hamas will just hold from the people….
Why couldn’t they see the paragliding training camps?
We’re right back to Colin Powell peddling “chemical weapons truck” photos to the UN before the US invaded Iraq. Wild. I guess those reported defence advisors really are on the ground.
Photos of storage tanks show the existence of storage tanks. Step 1 complete. Now provide your evidence for their being filled and/or how you’ve estimated their current levels.
Israel should not budge on the fuel. Hamas is using an underground network of tunnels that is challenging to utilize without electric light and air circulation provided by electric generators. Cutting off the supply of fuel should be the main strategic prong of Israel’s pre-invasion plan.
The hospitals crowing most about the need for fuel are located in Gaza City anyway – exactly where Hamas needs fuel to run generators to keep their tunnel network lit and supplied with air.
To the extent there are babies in incubators and people who need dialysis, that should be centralized in a single hospital located in the southern enclave close to the border crossing. Israel does not have any moral duty to supply a network of enemy hospitals during wartime, or to let others supply that network – that idea is absurd.
And to the extent there are hospitals that run out of fuel before the generators that Hamas uses to occupy its tunnel network, the failure to supply those hospitals lies with Hamas, not with Israel. The moral blame for those who die because of that also lies with Hamas.
Fuel capacity
Unless it’s a photo of the gauges. It doesn’t tell you how full they are.
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>The Israel Defense Forces on Tuesday issued photos it said showed fuel tanks in the Gaza Strip, asserting it had information that large amounts of fuel were being kept there by Hamas.
>The photos were shared by the IDF’s Arabic-language account on X, formerly Twitter, depicting a location near the Rafah crossing, in the south of the Gaza Strip.
>“This is what over half a million liters of diesel looks like,” wrote IDF Arabic spokesman Avichay Adraee, “while Hamas keeps claiming it does not have enough fuel to support hospitals and bakeries.”
>The post was published a few hours after Hamas said that a power outage at the Indonesian Hospital in the northern Gaza Strip was a “crime against humanity” and called on Arab and Muslim countries and the UN to take steps to address the crisis.
What is the logic to turn off power and not bomb the reserves (as it seems they know where they are) ?
I am not saying they should, I am saying it is not consistent.
I guess each side thinks one like = one rocket?
With their mishandling the Shireen assassination, the IDF lost a lot of credibility. Thankfully Israel is a society with investigative journalism to hold it’s feet to the fire. It’s why democracy and free speech are so important.
That said, is this not the dynamic right now:
People: Pics or it didn’t happen
*IDF presents pics*
People: It still didn’t happen
They stocked up on weapons, fuel and rockets but seemingly forgot about stocking up on food and water for the civilians.
Islamists:
“this fuel wasn’t stolen from foreign aid given to Gazan citizens, no way.
It was donated to Hamas for use in it’s orphanages and soup kitchens.
It’s not for powering generators for running terror tunnels, no way”
Looks like tanks for fuel – not fuel
so this is a publicly available satellite image, not some exclusive software. The Google maps image of this area was obv taken before the Rafah crossing was complete and shows no development in this section (right on the edge of the border with Egypt), but some alternative satellite applications (“3D Earth&Moon”, to name one) show the completed crossing station and this new developed plot to the just a mile or so north of the Rafah crossing. exact same image.
not that i would put it past hamas at all to hoard resources at the direct expense of “their own people”. by all means, share this with the world, but offer more than just a public access satellite image. The article linked here gives zero insight into how IDF knows these are fuel tanks (as opposed to water storage tanks, etc) or, more importantly, how they know that these tanks have anything in them at all. considering it is a relatively new build they could be entirely empty for all they know. i could just as easily screenshot this area and claim the same and that would have just about as much validity.
the stakes to gain perceived leverage in this narrative is too dire and ongoing situation too volatile to trust any unverified breaking news, no matter the source.
That’s one of the reasons Israel opposed to some extent. humanitarian aid.
Israel knows very well that Hamas is a despicable group that literally takes away needed goods from its own population.
They take their fuel, and smuggle weapons and military equipment in trucks used for humanitarian aid.
Now there are trucks going into Gaza, it’s almost certain that some of them contain equipment for Hamas but that’s the risk you take for not starving entire population.
I get why they can’t do it, but it’s hard not to think of that as a pretty tempting bomb target.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this is just a surplus for Hamas for during normal operations.
People are underestimating how organised they are. Ffs they have employee benefits such as family health plans.
They have months worth of fuel, food, ammunition and medical supplies in their tunnels. One of the purposes of the tunnels into Egypt was smuggling fuel.
The reality is they don’t give a shit about the civilians.
Blow that shit to the moon
Gotta hand it to Israel here – they know how to win the narrative war. Need aid for Gaza? Hamas is hording everything the civilians need. Don’t think they raped kids? Show the reporters everything, they confirm it. Think they are bombing schools just because? Here are videos of them launching rockets off a kindergarten play structure.
Meanwhile hamas lies about hospitals being destroyed.
wE dOn’T kNoW iF tHeReS fUeL iN tHeRe ! 🤖
“The hospital was hit by a power outage on Monday night due to a fuel shortage. Al Jazeera reported that electricity was restored during the night, but the hospital only has fuel to operate generators for 48 more hours, after which lifesaving medical devices such as respirators and incubators will cease functioning.”
So first it was 24 hours left of… everything. A week later and it’s still operating. Now another hospital has 48 hours to go. Sounds like bow who cried wolf.
So bomb the tanks and the same instant let fuel in through their crossing to the UN and the Red Cross.
Instead they are: no fuel in, Hamas has fuel we see it from here.
How’s Reddit going to spin this?
If you needed more proof that hamas doesn’t care about Palestinians here it is
Prove it! /s
“But we’re running out if fuel and people are going to die!”
Well shit, even Hamas stealing fuel from its own people is Israels fault.” Tf people.
Why hasn’t IDF bombed this stash?
There is zero accountability placed on Hamas. Not to share their resources. Not to stop stealing. Zero.
Did the IDF open the tanks to confirm it has fuel?
Yup… Keep giving aid that Hamas will just hold from the people….
Why couldn’t they see the paragliding training camps?
We’re right back to Colin Powell peddling “chemical weapons truck” photos to the UN before the US invaded Iraq. Wild. I guess those reported defence advisors really are on the ground.
Photos of storage tanks show the existence of storage tanks. Step 1 complete. Now provide your evidence for their being filled and/or how you’ve estimated their current levels.
Israel should not budge on the fuel. Hamas is using an underground network of tunnels that is challenging to utilize without electric light and air circulation provided by electric generators. Cutting off the supply of fuel should be the main strategic prong of Israel’s pre-invasion plan.
The hospitals crowing most about the need for fuel are located in Gaza City anyway – exactly where Hamas needs fuel to run generators to keep their tunnel network lit and supplied with air.
To the extent there are babies in incubators and people who need dialysis, that should be centralized in a single hospital located in the southern enclave close to the border crossing. Israel does not have any moral duty to supply a network of enemy hospitals during wartime, or to let others supply that network – that idea is absurd.
And to the extent there are hospitals that run out of fuel before the generators that Hamas uses to occupy its tunnel network, the failure to supply those hospitals lies with Hamas, not with Israel. The moral blame for those who die because of that also lies with Hamas.
Fuel capacity
Unless it’s a photo of the gauges. It doesn’t tell you how full they are.