There are 100s of references to the forum on Reddit. A lot of people want to know!!
Obviously a very sensitive subject and I understand why the families feel angry over the website, but there is a bit of circular logic going on in this article while trying to paint this website as some murderous forum.
“X killed themselves a few months after finding the forum” doesn’t mean the forum itself drove them to do it. People who aren’t suicidal don’t typically seek out websites on this topic.
Banning this website won’t suddenly stop people from feeling suicidal or even attempting it, although I suppose making it harder to find methods of doing so would buy more time for medical intervention – if that sort of support can actually get decent investment from the government (that’s the main issue here IMO).
People should be free to discuss suicide methods.
At the end of the day, if the only thing preventing a person from committing suicide is not knowing how to do it, then we as a society have failed them multiple times already.
As usual, people are focusing on the wrong thing – the “quick fix” answers. Let’s just ban this and that website… instead of actually trying to build a society in which people don’t feel the need to commit suicide.
If you care so little about your citizens mental health, and refuse to allow a humane euthanasia bill, then don’t be shocked when people kill themselves.
TL;DW, this isn’t a solidarity forum. There are several people frequenting this space who despite thousands of messages show no interest in ending their own life, instead supporting access to methods and encouraging others into spirals of negative thinking whilst seeming to take joy in it.
I think NHS failings are far more of a reason for people dying. I’ve had suicidal thoughts on and off for about ten years, and getting healthcare providers to take it seriously is an uphill battle. The idea that everything is caused by some website they can ban is probably quite easy for for Tories, but when CAMHS is turning away around half of kids referred for mental health issues, probably because of lack of capacity, it really shows our healthcare system is broken.
No one asked to be imprisoned on this planet, that was the will of others, society generously calls them parents, and ALL will end up leaving it anyway, voluntary or not.
No one is saving lives here, just delaying deaths. That’s all any of us do every single day by not dying. We delay our own demise a tiny bit longer.
Have any of you ever considered you are a prisoner here?
I doubt it. Yet you are. Your life is not your life. It’s societies, only it can say when it ends. Like when they stick you in a care home and let you rot at 80 odd or let you die in hospital at 77 cause… reasons…
Imagine having the power of your own life eh? Well you are going to have to imagine it cause you ain’t got it chief.
Human rights? Don’t make me laugh. The LAST thing ANY human has on this planet is rights.
It’s unacceptable that we still have zero respect for bodily autonomy when it comes to the most fundamental liberty of all; and that we continue to accept paternalistic interventions into this arena.
What happened to “my body, my choice”? If I am compelled to continue living (due to the state withholding effective suicide methods by banning private access to them or access to them through the NHS), then that is entrapment. Proponents of suicide prevention then attempt to ethically justify eliminating the choice (thus trapping people in suffering) by making prejudicial and stigmatising assumptions about literally every person who has ever been suicidal and painting them all with a broad brush as being too deranged to be capable of sound decision making…and this despite the fact that suicide has been a contested issue within philosophy for thousands of years! The people who actually chose suicide are all portrayed as having no autonomy of their own; as if suicide was something that was done to them, rather than something they chose for themselves.
I didn’t have a single problem until I was brought into existence without my consent; and given that I do not believe in the afterlife, I believe that death is the final solution to all of my present and future problems. If I’m stopped from seeking out death, then my body does not belong to me; it is the property of the collective that has decided that its interests in compelling me to live outweigh my own wellbeing and autonomy. Meanwhile, I’m the one stuck having to pay all my own bills, and nobody else can experience my suffering for me.
None of the people clutching pearls over the ‘tragedy’ of these deaths care about the welfare of any of those who are ‘saved’ and go on to endure many more years of unrelenting misery; and the media in this country refuses to report on those cases, so it is a case of out of sight, out of mind. As long as it doesn’t offend the moral sensibilities of the public and the suffering can just be swept under the carpet.
Never used these websites but I have been close to suicide before. These websites might give people the means but the motive will have been there for years before the person stumbles across a website like this. Banning these websites won’t do anything to improve the mental health of those who use them. Doing something to stop people feeling the need to visit such sites in the first place is a much better strategy.
I don’t know if it is the website being discussed here, but there is a website that goes into the realities of suicide methods, and quite frankly it stopped me from attempting several times as a teenager. Just having a place that spoke to me in a way that made me feel seen, gave me the information I was looking for in an honest, straightforward way backed up with medical literature and statistics etc. Was usually enough to make me think ‘hmm I’ll need to plan this out a bit better’ or ‘I’ll think about it for a bit longer’
It is now a lot harder to access this site, Internet providers block it as they think it encourages suicide. So now when teens Google ‘how many paracetamol do I need to take to die’ or ‘how to hang yourself’ they get a few suicide hotlines they scroll past, then a bunch of fucking quora posts throwing random numbers out or making up supposedly painless ways of hanging yourself based on nothing. That seems a lot more likely to me to lead to attempts, both successful and failed but medically damaging, than the site I used to visit was, but hey
It’s completely pointless to try and censor the Internet to that degree, those websites can operate legally in many countries if needed and getting around ISP blocks is laughable. The argument of whether they should exist or not is pointless, the UK government is literally incapable of stopping it.
I do believe we should offer euthanasia in the UK. But not like this. From what I’ve read, this forum is full of people who enjoy the suffering of others, pretty dark stuff.
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There are 100s of references to the forum on Reddit. A lot of people want to know!!
Obviously a very sensitive subject and I understand why the families feel angry over the website, but there is a bit of circular logic going on in this article while trying to paint this website as some murderous forum.
“X killed themselves a few months after finding the forum” doesn’t mean the forum itself drove them to do it. People who aren’t suicidal don’t typically seek out websites on this topic.
Banning this website won’t suddenly stop people from feeling suicidal or even attempting it, although I suppose making it harder to find methods of doing so would buy more time for medical intervention – if that sort of support can actually get decent investment from the government (that’s the main issue here IMO).
People should be free to discuss suicide methods.
At the end of the day, if the only thing preventing a person from committing suicide is not knowing how to do it, then we as a society have failed them multiple times already.
As usual, people are focusing on the wrong thing – the “quick fix” answers. Let’s just ban this and that website… instead of actually trying to build a society in which people don’t feel the need to commit suicide.
If you care so little about your citizens mental health, and refuse to allow a humane euthanasia bill, then don’t be shocked when people kill themselves.
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3y6SsGAWks) is an important watch for anyone interested in this story.
TL;DW, this isn’t a solidarity forum. There are several people frequenting this space who despite thousands of messages show no interest in ending their own life, instead supporting access to methods and encouraging others into spirals of negative thinking whilst seeming to take joy in it.
I think NHS failings are far more of a reason for people dying. I’ve had suicidal thoughts on and off for about ten years, and getting healthcare providers to take it seriously is an uphill battle. The idea that everything is caused by some website they can ban is probably quite easy for for Tories, but when CAMHS is turning away around half of kids referred for mental health issues, probably because of lack of capacity, it really shows our healthcare system is broken.
No one asked to be imprisoned on this planet, that was the will of others, society generously calls them parents, and ALL will end up leaving it anyway, voluntary or not.
No one is saving lives here, just delaying deaths. That’s all any of us do every single day by not dying. We delay our own demise a tiny bit longer.
Have any of you ever considered you are a prisoner here?
I doubt it. Yet you are. Your life is not your life. It’s societies, only it can say when it ends. Like when they stick you in a care home and let you rot at 80 odd or let you die in hospital at 77 cause… reasons…
Imagine having the power of your own life eh? Well you are going to have to imagine it cause you ain’t got it chief.
Human rights? Don’t make me laugh. The LAST thing ANY human has on this planet is rights.
It’s unacceptable that we still have zero respect for bodily autonomy when it comes to the most fundamental liberty of all; and that we continue to accept paternalistic interventions into this arena.
What happened to “my body, my choice”? If I am compelled to continue living (due to the state withholding effective suicide methods by banning private access to them or access to them through the NHS), then that is entrapment. Proponents of suicide prevention then attempt to ethically justify eliminating the choice (thus trapping people in suffering) by making prejudicial and stigmatising assumptions about literally every person who has ever been suicidal and painting them all with a broad brush as being too deranged to be capable of sound decision making…and this despite the fact that suicide has been a contested issue within philosophy for thousands of years! The people who actually chose suicide are all portrayed as having no autonomy of their own; as if suicide was something that was done to them, rather than something they chose for themselves.
I didn’t have a single problem until I was brought into existence without my consent; and given that I do not believe in the afterlife, I believe that death is the final solution to all of my present and future problems. If I’m stopped from seeking out death, then my body does not belong to me; it is the property of the collective that has decided that its interests in compelling me to live outweigh my own wellbeing and autonomy. Meanwhile, I’m the one stuck having to pay all my own bills, and nobody else can experience my suffering for me.
None of the people clutching pearls over the ‘tragedy’ of these deaths care about the welfare of any of those who are ‘saved’ and go on to endure many more years of unrelenting misery; and the media in this country refuses to report on those cases, so it is a case of out of sight, out of mind. As long as it doesn’t offend the moral sensibilities of the public and the suffering can just be swept under the carpet.
Never used these websites but I have been close to suicide before. These websites might give people the means but the motive will have been there for years before the person stumbles across a website like this. Banning these websites won’t do anything to improve the mental health of those who use them. Doing something to stop people feeling the need to visit such sites in the first place is a much better strategy.
I don’t know if it is the website being discussed here, but there is a website that goes into the realities of suicide methods, and quite frankly it stopped me from attempting several times as a teenager. Just having a place that spoke to me in a way that made me feel seen, gave me the information I was looking for in an honest, straightforward way backed up with medical literature and statistics etc. Was usually enough to make me think ‘hmm I’ll need to plan this out a bit better’ or ‘I’ll think about it for a bit longer’
It is now a lot harder to access this site, Internet providers block it as they think it encourages suicide. So now when teens Google ‘how many paracetamol do I need to take to die’ or ‘how to hang yourself’ they get a few suicide hotlines they scroll past, then a bunch of fucking quora posts throwing random numbers out or making up supposedly painless ways of hanging yourself based on nothing. That seems a lot more likely to me to lead to attempts, both successful and failed but medically damaging, than the site I used to visit was, but hey
It’s completely pointless to try and censor the Internet to that degree, those websites can operate legally in many countries if needed and getting around ISP blocks is laughable. The argument of whether they should exist or not is pointless, the UK government is literally incapable of stopping it.
I do believe we should offer euthanasia in the UK. But not like this. From what I’ve read, this forum is full of people who enjoy the suffering of others, pretty dark stuff.