>“With all frankness, the Arabs are really sick of us,” Shtayyeh said. “They want to see a solution for the Palestine question because we are a pain for them.”
***The Palestinian Authority will not return to governing Gaza after the Israel-Hamas conflict without a comprehensive agreement that includes the West Bank*** *in a Palestinian state, the authority’s prime minister has said.*
***Israeli civilian and military officials*** *have said their plan for the end of the Gaza war is to have some form of* ***transitional authority rule the territory, perhaps involving Arab states, leading to the restoration of the Palestinian Authority (PA)****, which was ousted from Gaza in a 2007 Hamas coup.*
***But Mohammad Shtayyeh, who has been prime minister since 2019, said the PA would not cooperate without a return to a genuine peace process resulting in two sovereign states.***
*“To have the Palestinian Authority go to Gaza and run the affairs of Gaza without a political solution for the West Bank, as if this Palestinian Authority is going aboard an F-16 or an Israeli tank?” Shtayyeh said. “I don’t accept it. Our president [Mahmoud Abbas] does not accept it. None of us will accept it.”* ***The PA has called for an emergency Arab summit, which Shtayyeh hoped would take place on 10 Novembe****r, to restore unity on the creation of a functional Palestinian state.*
Hopefully, a solution comes sooner rather than later.
Translation: “We don’t to deal with that shit too, we prefer minimal responsibility while lining our pockets with your donated money”
Who will let them run Gaza? Did anyone asked the local population? Not only that, but in potential West Bank elections, they’re probably going to lose to Hamas.
Maybe one clarification about the PA – for a long time already – they aren’t ruling even their West Bank territory. They have no access to the northern part (Jenin area) and to some areas in the south (Hebron). PA and Abbas are confined mostly to Ramallah.
> “To have the Palestinian Authority go to Gaza and run the affairs of Gaza without a political solution for the West Bank, as if this Palestinian Authority is going aboard an F-16 or an Israeli tank?” Shtayyeh said. “I don’t accept it. Our president [Mahmoud Abbas] does not accept it. None of us will accept it.”
>
> **“I think what we need is a comprehensive peaceful vision,”** the prime minister said in an interview in his office in Ramallah, on the West Bank. “The West Bank needs a solution, and then link Gaza to it within the framework of a two-state solution.”
Whoa now, nothing scares Likud like Palestinians calling for peace. Scary times!!!
Why exactly should anyone believe the PA wants a two state solution when a two state solution has been rejected every time by them?
>”With all frankness, the Arabs are really sick of us,” Shtayyeh said. “They want to see a solution for the Palestine question because we are a pain for them.”
Got to hand it to him. I’ve not seen a Palestinian leader say that out loud.
> Its weakness and inability to defend Palestinian lives has been highlighted by the bloodshed since 7 October. Shtayyeh insisted, however, that it would never abandon non-violence to regain popularity.
> “[Abbas] can be popular in one minute,” the prime minister said. “He can say: ‘OK, I order the Palestinian security forces to shoot at the Israelis.’ But he is a realistic man.”
> However, Shtayyeh acknowledged that anger was mounting rapidly among Palestinians, and that the situation on the West Bank was “boiling” and becoming “seriously dangerous”, leaving the PA stuck between a furious population and a violent and callous Israeli government.
> “We are caught between the rock and the hammer,” he said.
A huge part of the reason why the PA is unpopular among Palestinians is because it cannot and will not protect them against Israeli violence and ever growing settlements taking Palestinian land.
This is also why Hamas can be considered more “popular” – they promise to protect Palestinians from Israeli aggression. Now the way they do this is by unjustifiable terrorism means, but it explains why Palestinians may be more inclined to be sympathetic to a government that at least claims to protect them.
If Israel wants peace, they need to immediately start normalizing relations with the PA. They need to pledge to start dismantling illegal settlements. They need to show that the PA is a viable option for the Palestinian people that will bring peace and security.
I think a good starting point would be if Gaza Palestinians condemned Hamas and professed a desire to actually get rid of them.
So many are talking about peace being set back a generation after Oct 7th, and it’s hard to disagree with them, but is he not right that an opportunity could be presented?
The situation is horrendous – both nations are badly hurting – but it’s as clear as it ever was that these two peoples must live independently and safely.
In the situation that Hamas is destroyed, and would we be shocked if the Saudi-aligned Arab world are secretly pushing for this, and Netanyahu is pushed out there is an opportunity for change.
I bet he prefers jogging on a track, more so than straight toward a destination.
To be fair, its a perfectly reasonable statement.
the PA was sidelined by Likud dumbassery in favor of settlers, land grabs and more aggression. What happened was they were made fools of, and got nothing for it.
They aren’t going to stroll into Gaza basicly as puppets of the Israelis.
Again, Ball is in Israel’s court if they want to deal with them, which is going to probably mean dealing with settlers and probably giving back some annexed land.
Maybe palestine shouldn’t reject every single offer for a second state
I don’t understand – I thought the Palestinians were one people. They don’t even want to govern themselves now?
That makes sense and it can be a good push to get a peace deal done.
Not even the Palestinians want Gaza…
As long as they are not ready to fight or condemn Hamas in the first place, and continue to pay millions to the families of terrorists who murdered Jews, it’s all just complete nonsense and irrelevant.
Fair enough. The Oslo Accords seem to have been allowed to languish for too long by nationalists on both sides. And the West Bank settlements (and routine shootings of Palestinians) are like a knife twisted in a wound.
The PLO is being indirectly asked to fight Hamas and do much of the hard work of occupation in Gaza. Their morale will crack if they’re just seen as Israeli stooges.
While my sympathies on the geopolitical level lie more with Israel’s safety concerns than Palestinian Islamists’ violent irredentism, it’s clear no future exists that doesn’t give Palestinian moderates something more tangible to hold onto for their efforts.
The PA still has a pay-for-slay program running. Not convinced many Israelis will be interested in trusting them right now.
Israel knows now that a two state solution will never work. Gaza will be turned over to an Arab contingent of the UN and the West Bank will be absorbed. The New Democratic Republic of Iran will vote along for it.
They can’t run Gaza because the people there will reject them and try to kill them. People will talk endlessly about how Hamas doesn’t represent the Palestinians because they haven’t been in elected in years but tell me when was the last time elections were held in the West Bank?
Abu Mazen is a dictator who is hated by his own people. The reason PA hasn’t held elections is because they know Hamas will win. You can’t parachute in a government onto people who’ll reject them and bring on a violent uprising against them. The only viable solution for Gaza is an international coalition which will work to stabilize the area.
The Israeli settlers in West Bank, egged on and supported by an extreme right wing government have been some of the biggest obstacles to peace. When that started happening it told you all you need to know that they didn’t want a two state solution anymore. They wanted to slowly wittle down Palestinians until they finally disappeared with a whimper.
Part of that process was propping up Hamas to keep Palestine in disunity, it’s backfired terribly and now we’re watching the next generation of Hamas fighters being born as bombs rain down on them.
They can kill every adult Hamas fighter and it wouldn’t matter cause the kids will grow up with nothing but pain and hatred for Israel in their hearts.
The “refuse to ride into Gaza on an Israeli tank” problem has led the PNA to abandon Gaza for 17 years. Regardless of these or other demands…that tank is their only way in.
The PNA is nowhere near capable of securing Gaza itself. It can’t secure the west bank and barely holds it together in ramallah. Most aid that went to the PNA now goes around it, directly to the fuel bill or school account… because donor nations don’t trust them. They’re not very popular with people.
There may be no alternative, but there are limits to what they can do… at least in their current state.
> “The question for us – the Israelis, the Americans, the Europeans, everybody – is, how can we make out of this disaster an opportunity for peace?” he said.
It’s time to revive the Olmert Deal.
Good News Everyone… there will be no more Gaza to run
Even West Bank is leaving Gaza out to dry? 😬
>The rise of Palestinian Arab nationalism coupled with the rapid growth of Palestine’s smaller Jewish population – especially after the advent of Nazism in the 1930s – saw an escalation in Arab-Jewish violence in Palestine.
>Britain handed the problem to the United Nations, which in 1947 proposed partitioning Palestine into two states – one Jewish, one Arab – with the Jerusalem-Bethlehem area to become an international city. The plan was accepted by Palestine’s Jewish leadership but rejected by Arab leaders.
See , had the Arab leaders accepted the two state solution originally – we would be in a different world.
Either the Palestinians condemn Hamas to the the rest of the world, that they want a properly run society there, or it will inevitably be a strip of rubble.
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>“With all frankness, the Arabs are really sick of us,” Shtayyeh said. “They want to see a solution for the Palestine question because we are a pain for them.”
***The Palestinian Authority will not return to governing Gaza after the Israel-Hamas conflict without a comprehensive agreement that includes the West Bank*** *in a Palestinian state, the authority’s prime minister has said.*
***Israeli civilian and military officials*** *have said their plan for the end of the Gaza war is to have some form of* ***transitional authority rule the territory, perhaps involving Arab states, leading to the restoration of the Palestinian Authority (PA)****, which was ousted from Gaza in a 2007 Hamas coup.*
***But Mohammad Shtayyeh, who has been prime minister since 2019, said the PA would not cooperate without a return to a genuine peace process resulting in two sovereign states.***
*“To have the Palestinian Authority go to Gaza and run the affairs of Gaza without a political solution for the West Bank, as if this Palestinian Authority is going aboard an F-16 or an Israeli tank?” Shtayyeh said. “I don’t accept it. Our president [Mahmoud Abbas] does not accept it. None of us will accept it.”* ***The PA has called for an emergency Arab summit, which Shtayyeh hoped would take place on 10 Novembe****r, to restore unity on the creation of a functional Palestinian state.*
Hopefully, a solution comes sooner rather than later.
Translation: “We don’t to deal with that shit too, we prefer minimal responsibility while lining our pockets with your donated money”
Who will let them run Gaza? Did anyone asked the local population? Not only that, but in potential West Bank elections, they’re probably going to lose to Hamas.
Maybe one clarification about the PA – for a long time already – they aren’t ruling even their West Bank territory. They have no access to the northern part (Jenin area) and to some areas in the south (Hebron). PA and Abbas are confined mostly to Ramallah.
> “To have the Palestinian Authority go to Gaza and run the affairs of Gaza without a political solution for the West Bank, as if this Palestinian Authority is going aboard an F-16 or an Israeli tank?” Shtayyeh said. “I don’t accept it. Our president [Mahmoud Abbas] does not accept it. None of us will accept it.”
>
> **“I think what we need is a comprehensive peaceful vision,”** the prime minister said in an interview in his office in Ramallah, on the West Bank. “The West Bank needs a solution, and then link Gaza to it within the framework of a two-state solution.”
Whoa now, nothing scares Likud like Palestinians calling for peace. Scary times!!!
Why exactly should anyone believe the PA wants a two state solution when a two state solution has been rejected every time by them?
>”With all frankness, the Arabs are really sick of us,” Shtayyeh said. “They want to see a solution for the Palestine question because we are a pain for them.”
Got to hand it to him. I’ve not seen a Palestinian leader say that out loud.
> Its weakness and inability to defend Palestinian lives has been highlighted by the bloodshed since 7 October. Shtayyeh insisted, however, that it would never abandon non-violence to regain popularity.
> “[Abbas] can be popular in one minute,” the prime minister said. “He can say: ‘OK, I order the Palestinian security forces to shoot at the Israelis.’ But he is a realistic man.”
> However, Shtayyeh acknowledged that anger was mounting rapidly among Palestinians, and that the situation on the West Bank was “boiling” and becoming “seriously dangerous”, leaving the PA stuck between a furious population and a violent and callous Israeli government.
> “We are caught between the rock and the hammer,” he said.
A huge part of the reason why the PA is unpopular among Palestinians is because it cannot and will not protect them against Israeli violence and ever growing settlements taking Palestinian land.
This is also why Hamas can be considered more “popular” – they promise to protect Palestinians from Israeli aggression. Now the way they do this is by unjustifiable terrorism means, but it explains why Palestinians may be more inclined to be sympathetic to a government that at least claims to protect them.
If Israel wants peace, they need to immediately start normalizing relations with the PA. They need to pledge to start dismantling illegal settlements. They need to show that the PA is a viable option for the Palestinian people that will bring peace and security.
I think a good starting point would be if Gaza Palestinians condemned Hamas and professed a desire to actually get rid of them.
So many are talking about peace being set back a generation after Oct 7th, and it’s hard to disagree with them, but is he not right that an opportunity could be presented?
The situation is horrendous – both nations are badly hurting – but it’s as clear as it ever was that these two peoples must live independently and safely.
In the situation that Hamas is destroyed, and would we be shocked if the Saudi-aligned Arab world are secretly pushing for this, and Netanyahu is pushed out there is an opportunity for change.
I bet he prefers jogging on a track, more so than straight toward a destination.
To be fair, its a perfectly reasonable statement.
the PA was sidelined by Likud dumbassery in favor of settlers, land grabs and more aggression. What happened was they were made fools of, and got nothing for it.
They aren’t going to stroll into Gaza basicly as puppets of the Israelis.
Again, Ball is in Israel’s court if they want to deal with them, which is going to probably mean dealing with settlers and probably giving back some annexed land.
Maybe palestine shouldn’t reject every single offer for a second state
I don’t understand – I thought the Palestinians were one people. They don’t even want to govern themselves now?
That makes sense and it can be a good push to get a peace deal done.
Not even the Palestinians want Gaza…
As long as they are not ready to fight or condemn Hamas in the first place, and continue to pay millions to the families of terrorists who murdered Jews, it’s all just complete nonsense and irrelevant.
Fair enough. The Oslo Accords seem to have been allowed to languish for too long by nationalists on both sides. And the West Bank settlements (and routine shootings of Palestinians) are like a knife twisted in a wound.
The PLO is being indirectly asked to fight Hamas and do much of the hard work of occupation in Gaza. Their morale will crack if they’re just seen as Israeli stooges.
While my sympathies on the geopolitical level lie more with Israel’s safety concerns than Palestinian Islamists’ violent irredentism, it’s clear no future exists that doesn’t give Palestinian moderates something more tangible to hold onto for their efforts.
The PA still has a pay-for-slay program running. Not convinced many Israelis will be interested in trusting them right now.
Israel knows now that a two state solution will never work. Gaza will be turned over to an Arab contingent of the UN and the West Bank will be absorbed. The New Democratic Republic of Iran will vote along for it.
They can’t run Gaza because the people there will reject them and try to kill them. People will talk endlessly about how Hamas doesn’t represent the Palestinians because they haven’t been in elected in years but tell me when was the last time elections were held in the West Bank?
Abu Mazen is a dictator who is hated by his own people. The reason PA hasn’t held elections is because they know Hamas will win. You can’t parachute in a government onto people who’ll reject them and bring on a violent uprising against them. The only viable solution for Gaza is an international coalition which will work to stabilize the area.
The Israeli settlers in West Bank, egged on and supported by an extreme right wing government have been some of the biggest obstacles to peace. When that started happening it told you all you need to know that they didn’t want a two state solution anymore. They wanted to slowly wittle down Palestinians until they finally disappeared with a whimper.
Part of that process was propping up Hamas to keep Palestine in disunity, it’s backfired terribly and now we’re watching the next generation of Hamas fighters being born as bombs rain down on them.
They can kill every adult Hamas fighter and it wouldn’t matter cause the kids will grow up with nothing but pain and hatred for Israel in their hearts.
The “refuse to ride into Gaza on an Israeli tank” problem has led the PNA to abandon Gaza for 17 years. Regardless of these or other demands…that tank is their only way in.
The PNA is nowhere near capable of securing Gaza itself. It can’t secure the west bank and barely holds it together in ramallah. Most aid that went to the PNA now goes around it, directly to the fuel bill or school account… because donor nations don’t trust them. They’re not very popular with people.
There may be no alternative, but there are limits to what they can do… at least in their current state.
> “The question for us – the Israelis, the Americans, the Europeans, everybody – is, how can we make out of this disaster an opportunity for peace?” he said.
It’s time to revive the Olmert Deal.
Good News Everyone… there will be no more Gaza to run
Even West Bank is leaving Gaza out to dry? 😬
>The rise of Palestinian Arab nationalism coupled with the rapid growth of Palestine’s smaller Jewish population – especially after the advent of Nazism in the 1930s – saw an escalation in Arab-Jewish violence in Palestine.
>Britain handed the problem to the United Nations, which in 1947 proposed partitioning Palestine into two states – one Jewish, one Arab – with the Jerusalem-Bethlehem area to become an international city. The plan was accepted by Palestine’s Jewish leadership but rejected by Arab leaders.
See , had the Arab leaders accepted the two state solution originally – we would be in a different world.
Either the Palestinians condemn Hamas to the the rest of the world, that they want a properly run society there, or it will inevitably be a strip of rubble.