They’ll quickly change their tune once they get THEIR house.
Then they quickly switch to chanting about saving trees, and claiming the local roads couldn’t possibly deal with the extra traffic generated by 100 houses.
Left wing young people are just as selfish as the Boomers they despise – they want theirs no matter who else suffers.
Vote Labour or Tory – it’s just two collections of different people wanting to screw over the other to get the most for themselves.
A sample of 1000 indicating people place self interest above ideological concerns regarding green issues has got to be one of the least surprising outcomes you’ll ever achieve.
Even the people who glue themselves to the road or interrupt the snooker in the name of saving the environment don’t think they have an obligation to ‘lead by example’ in that regard.
they don’t really, they just want affordable housing. I wonder how many would “overwhelming want” to round up all the landlords and property speculators and put them in a deathmatch ring or evict every couple over 60 living in a 4 bedroom house or convert Buckingham Palace into 400 2 bedroom flats with a fix £500pcm rent, and put another 3,500 on the grounds, or exchange a kidney for a house inside the m25.
Then you’ll find those people don’t want to move there because it’s not ‘real London’, there’s no good public transport, it’s far from anything cool or fun.
Source: I live in a village that’s surrounded by green belt, they REALLY want to build houses around here – [https://londongreenbeltcouncil.org.uk/threats-map/](https://londongreenbeltcouncil.org.uk/threats-map/)
Developers would want to build lots of fairly expensive houses here, because it’s mostly settled families and not the kind of place that many first-time buyers would settle.
Any homeowner is welcome to show they prioritise green spaces over homes by bulldozing their home and returning it to nature.
If they only prioritise green spaces over other people’s homes then I can’t respect that.
OFFICE SPACE. The city of full of massive empty offices. Encourage working from in sectors where it’s more productive to do so (like 75% of them), free up the offices and convert to houses
I’m a young Londoner who desperately wants to buy a property in home city and probably won’t be able to for sometime barring some extraordinary luck. I would far rather we look at:
* tighter rules on buy-to-let landlords (and maybe limiting the numbers of Airbnb landlords in certain areas too)
* tighter rules on companies building houses that are unaffordable to anyone not earning well above the national average salary
* restrictions on wealthy foreign investors (who have no intention of ever living in the UK) buying up swathes of properties/land and then not doing anything with them for years whilst they accumulate value
before we start building on the green belt.
Convert the office space and unused retail space first assholes
The biggest issue that affected Housing availability and affordability in this country was and still is Right to Buy and the subsequent decline in the building of Social Housing. That’s basically it, restart the building of Social Housing and you solve the housing problem.
Building on the Green Belt is something house builders love to suggest because it sounds like it would help but they wouldn’t be building affordable flats in Green Belt villages they’d be building 650k detached houses for commuters.
Private house builders will never, ever build enough houses to meet demand as prices would fall and why would any private company ever take the bottom out of its own market?
Unfortunately for Londoners, our precious countryside is not theirs to despoil at will.
Can’t blame them, no point in staring at a wonderful field when your homeless. This of course isn’t the answer though, well thought out strategic housing developments with excellent travel links is.
They’ll miss it once it’s gone.
London is in overdrive for housing demand (cos it’s the capital and it’s cool to live there I know) but I feel there’s better solutions (building better flats, that are affordable)
Had a job opportunity pop up a few months back at Guy’s and St Thomas, part remote with some onsite days. Good paying, until I saw the rents for some properties that would be half to a third of the price up north where I am. Not to mention the increases in costs of living, would eat into a good amount of the wages I have.,
Unpopular opinion here, but even if we just got rid of the green belt there would not suddenly be a massive building frenzy and prices would crash. There are real deep rooted, systemic issues in our housing market that won’t be tackled by just relaxing planning laws. To name but two, it is in developers interests to land bank and only release plots at the height of the market, and are there are chronic labour shortages in the trades that actually build houses.
What we should be doing is planning *better*. The Green Belt is a blunt tool that doesn’t work in protecting important countryside. The Local Plan system takes ages to do anything, and even then sites haven’t got planning permission which can take another 5-10 years to come forward. Our planning system is antiquated, takes ages to do anything, and ignores the opinions of the public routinely.
Planning better means delivering new homes and infrastructure in a way that aligns with our climate goals (e.g. ensuring renewables are built into new developments, locating them within walking distance of public transport, and restricting car use), incentivises developers to bring forward sites early, and streamlines the process. Such as having sites granted planning permission (subject to conditions) when the Local Plan is adopted.
Just getting rid of the green belt and keeping the rest of the system as is will do nothing.
People who live in grey town want to build more grey town.
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They’ll quickly change their tune once they get THEIR house.
Then they quickly switch to chanting about saving trees, and claiming the local roads couldn’t possibly deal with the extra traffic generated by 100 houses.
Left wing young people are just as selfish as the Boomers they despise – they want theirs no matter who else suffers.
Vote Labour or Tory – it’s just two collections of different people wanting to screw over the other to get the most for themselves.
A sample of 1000 indicating people place self interest above ideological concerns regarding green issues has got to be one of the least surprising outcomes you’ll ever achieve.
Even the people who glue themselves to the road or interrupt the snooker in the name of saving the environment don’t think they have an obligation to ‘lead by example’ in that regard.
they don’t really, they just want affordable housing. I wonder how many would “overwhelming want” to round up all the landlords and property speculators and put them in a deathmatch ring or evict every couple over 60 living in a 4 bedroom house or convert Buckingham Palace into 400 2 bedroom flats with a fix £500pcm rent, and put another 3,500 on the grounds, or exchange a kidney for a house inside the m25.
Then you’ll find those people don’t want to move there because it’s not ‘real London’, there’s no good public transport, it’s far from anything cool or fun.
Source: I live in a village that’s surrounded by green belt, they REALLY want to build houses around here – [https://londongreenbeltcouncil.org.uk/threats-map/](https://londongreenbeltcouncil.org.uk/threats-map/)
Developers would want to build lots of fairly expensive houses here, because it’s mostly settled families and not the kind of place that many first-time buyers would settle.
Any homeowner is welcome to show they prioritise green spaces over homes by bulldozing their home and returning it to nature.
If they only prioritise green spaces over other people’s homes then I can’t respect that.
OFFICE SPACE. The city of full of massive empty offices. Encourage working from in sectors where it’s more productive to do so (like 75% of them), free up the offices and convert to houses
I’m a young Londoner who desperately wants to buy a property in home city and probably won’t be able to for sometime barring some extraordinary luck. I would far rather we look at:
* tighter rules on buy-to-let landlords (and maybe limiting the numbers of Airbnb landlords in certain areas too)
* tighter rules on companies building houses that are unaffordable to anyone not earning well above the national average salary
* restrictions on wealthy foreign investors (who have no intention of ever living in the UK) buying up swathes of properties/land and then not doing anything with them for years whilst they accumulate value
before we start building on the green belt.
Convert the office space and unused retail space first assholes
The biggest issue that affected Housing availability and affordability in this country was and still is Right to Buy and the subsequent decline in the building of Social Housing. That’s basically it, restart the building of Social Housing and you solve the housing problem.
Building on the Green Belt is something house builders love to suggest because it sounds like it would help but they wouldn’t be building affordable flats in Green Belt villages they’d be building 650k detached houses for commuters.
Private house builders will never, ever build enough houses to meet demand as prices would fall and why would any private company ever take the bottom out of its own market?
Unfortunately for Londoners, our precious countryside is not theirs to despoil at will.
Can’t blame them, no point in staring at a wonderful field when your homeless. This of course isn’t the answer though, well thought out strategic housing developments with excellent travel links is.
They’ll miss it once it’s gone.
London is in overdrive for housing demand (cos it’s the capital and it’s cool to live there I know) but I feel there’s better solutions (building better flats, that are affordable)
Had a job opportunity pop up a few months back at Guy’s and St Thomas, part remote with some onsite days. Good paying, until I saw the rents for some properties that would be half to a third of the price up north where I am. Not to mention the increases in costs of living, would eat into a good amount of the wages I have.,
Unpopular opinion here, but even if we just got rid of the green belt there would not suddenly be a massive building frenzy and prices would crash. There are real deep rooted, systemic issues in our housing market that won’t be tackled by just relaxing planning laws. To name but two, it is in developers interests to land bank and only release plots at the height of the market, and are there are chronic labour shortages in the trades that actually build houses.
What we should be doing is planning *better*. The Green Belt is a blunt tool that doesn’t work in protecting important countryside. The Local Plan system takes ages to do anything, and even then sites haven’t got planning permission which can take another 5-10 years to come forward. Our planning system is antiquated, takes ages to do anything, and ignores the opinions of the public routinely.
Planning better means delivering new homes and infrastructure in a way that aligns with our climate goals (e.g. ensuring renewables are built into new developments, locating them within walking distance of public transport, and restricting car use), incentivises developers to bring forward sites early, and streamlines the process. Such as having sites granted planning permission (subject to conditions) when the Local Plan is adopted.
Just getting rid of the green belt and keeping the rest of the system as is will do nothing.
People who live in grey town want to build more grey town.