>The French President’s wife, Brigitte Macron and the Académie Francaise have long railed against what they see as a ”barbaric abuse of syntax”
Just amazing.
commonsensical
Very good, so tired of all that crap.
good.
Perfect.
Rare France W.
Good lord, what is that abomination
By banning gender-inclusive language, the government associated using gender-inclusive language with displaying you disagree with the government. I don’t think it’s going to reduce the usage of gender-inclusive language and will only have an opposite effect, because using it will become a form of protest.
As it should be
Neolatin languages are gendered. Deal with it. We don’t have a neutral gender and forcing it is just as ridiculous as the campaigns of the Academié Francaise against the use of English words.
I don’t like inclusive language either, at least the way it’s used, but this definetly feels like the wrong call. Not only because it feels weird for any government to fixate on something as small and inconsequential as that, but because it could end up provoking a Streissand effect.
>Authors of the law, which concerns official communications in France, said gender-inclusive language was “an obstacle to comprehension and ease of reading”.
Don’t know what’s doing there in the first place
Académie Francaise has never really realised the opportunity it has to correct issues with the French language in a way that is productive, useful and beneficial. Language evolves and AF could play a role by finding a more natural and linguistically appropriate way to present neutral language. But they would prefer to just ban things. it’s their modus operandi. And banning things doesn’t require an Académie. Just a despot.
They are obsessed with the French language evolving around them and inspite of them rather than them just assuming a, what could be useful and impactful, role in the development and evolution of language.
If AF wasn’t hell bent of making everyone hate it then they could be a really unique and useful institution.
Gender inclusive language in French looks so damn ugly in text. Good for them.
Uh, so about that freedom of speech…
We dont need to import all these BS from US in Europe as well
I dunno if using the blanket phrase ‘inclusive language’ is a good idea. There may still be a way to adapt the language that ppl will like in the future more than iels etc. Gendered languages aren’t problematic but taking an administrative stance against it could lead to future developments of the French language not being accepted while they may accepted in French society. Language should be allowed to develop among the common man as it always has but it’s already known that French governmental bodies struggle with that idea, I believe someone else in this thread has mentioned the académie française already.
>but also to keep its foundations, the foundations of its grammar
…and the “foundation” of the French language and its grammar is Latin which unlike most modern Romance languages **has a neuter gender** and therefore surprisingly is more appropriate for gender inclusivity (including addressing an unknown group of people, mixed genders as well as non-binary people specifically) than its predecessor centuries later.
This whole debate about putting a colon in words such as *certain:e* certainly isn’t “an obstacle to comprehension and ease of reading” but a sign of boomers being too lazy to adapt to the changes of a language which has been an issue throughout time: Back in the 18th century, French people were furious when the silent S got removed in favour of the circumflex such as *forest* -> *forêt* as well as adding the letters J and V to the alphabet which previously were written like I and U.
The fact is that every (used) language changes throughout time to adapt to the social environment because languages are human communication tools which are shaped by their active usage. As much as traditionalists want to retain the shape of the language to the time they learnt it at school, this simply isn’t realistic nor beneficial.
One of the most significant changes of 21st century languages is the (re-)introduction of gender neutrality because a) the masculine genus is not representative of a mixed group and does influence our thinking about unknown people, and b) a portion of society – non-binary people as well as certain linguistic/philosophical topics – are unable to be expressed in a language even if they use paraphrasing. This is a flaw which many Romance languages like French, Spanish and Italian have which is why the current forms of inclusive language – although at a not totally refined state/shape right now – are important.
Makes sense, latin languages are so gendered even the objects and abstract concepts have genders. It just doesn’t work.
Good. I don’t know how it sounds in French but definitely makes people look quite… not smart in my languaje. The sooner it dissapears, the better.
These people are fucking clowns. If adopted, their ban would invalidate a huge number of official documents, including most ID cards.
ITT: people having no idea how a language works. This is prime r/badlinguistics material.
I hope Germany follows. Go France!
Good for you France! And thanks for showing us how to do it
> “Besides the fact that it does not correspond to the spoken language, it essentially imposes a second language, the complexity of which penalises people with cognitive disabilities, such as dyslexia, dyspraxia or apraxia.
What? Do they think “preserving” all the diphtongues, unread consonants, wovels not sounding as they are or unread bunch of endings at the end help people with such disabilities? They can remove them all and simplify the orthography then.
Thats great news
I am not French.
Am I missing something or are a lot of people in the comments bigots?
Écriture inclusive, c’est attardé.e.s
Good.
What’s official texts exactly? I would understand if it’s related to education, but I think banning books period is not a good idea
woke nonsense
ALELUIA!
Based France
Buon weekend!
Do the same for German language please
This makes me happy
“Inclusive Language”?
Y’all trashing on hungarian for being incomprehensible but we have one of the most gender-neutral languages.
He/She/They/It? Nah, Ő
None of our words are gendered and our only pronoun is gender-neutral.
If they wish for the language to die off, then keep gatekeepers like this in business. The world is moving away from insipid and pointless nationalism.
First thing fascist do is banning of words and books.
Based.
Thank god. We went way, and I mean WAY overboard with this inclusive BS.
It’s a good thing, for all the noise it makes the “inclusive” version for french is an obstacle to people with reading difficulties, people using reading software. So inclusive that it excluded people …
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>The French President’s wife, Brigitte Macron and the Académie Francaise have long railed against what they see as a ”barbaric abuse of syntax”
Just amazing.
commonsensical
Very good, so tired of all that crap.
good.
Perfect.
Rare France W.
Good lord, what is that abomination
By banning gender-inclusive language, the government associated using gender-inclusive language with displaying you disagree with the government. I don’t think it’s going to reduce the usage of gender-inclusive language and will only have an opposite effect, because using it will become a form of protest.
As it should be
Neolatin languages are gendered. Deal with it. We don’t have a neutral gender and forcing it is just as ridiculous as the campaigns of the Academié Francaise against the use of English words.
I don’t like inclusive language either, at least the way it’s used, but this definetly feels like the wrong call. Not only because it feels weird for any government to fixate on something as small and inconsequential as that, but because it could end up provoking a Streissand effect.
>Authors of the law, which concerns official communications in France, said gender-inclusive language was “an obstacle to comprehension and ease of reading”.
Don’t know what’s doing there in the first place
Académie Francaise has never really realised the opportunity it has to correct issues with the French language in a way that is productive, useful and beneficial. Language evolves and AF could play a role by finding a more natural and linguistically appropriate way to present neutral language. But they would prefer to just ban things. it’s their modus operandi. And banning things doesn’t require an Académie. Just a despot.
They are obsessed with the French language evolving around them and inspite of them rather than them just assuming a, what could be useful and impactful, role in the development and evolution of language.
If AF wasn’t hell bent of making everyone hate it then they could be a really unique and useful institution.
Gender inclusive language in French looks so damn ugly in text. Good for them.
Uh, so about that freedom of speech…
We dont need to import all these BS from US in Europe as well
I dunno if using the blanket phrase ‘inclusive language’ is a good idea. There may still be a way to adapt the language that ppl will like in the future more than iels etc. Gendered languages aren’t problematic but taking an administrative stance against it could lead to future developments of the French language not being accepted while they may accepted in French society. Language should be allowed to develop among the common man as it always has but it’s already known that French governmental bodies struggle with that idea, I believe someone else in this thread has mentioned the académie française already.
>but also to keep its foundations, the foundations of its grammar
…and the “foundation” of the French language and its grammar is Latin which unlike most modern Romance languages **has a neuter gender** and therefore surprisingly is more appropriate for gender inclusivity (including addressing an unknown group of people, mixed genders as well as non-binary people specifically) than its predecessor centuries later.
This whole debate about putting a colon in words such as *certain:e* certainly isn’t “an obstacle to comprehension and ease of reading” but a sign of boomers being too lazy to adapt to the changes of a language which has been an issue throughout time: Back in the 18th century, French people were furious when the silent S got removed in favour of the circumflex such as *forest* -> *forêt* as well as adding the letters J and V to the alphabet which previously were written like I and U.
The fact is that every (used) language changes throughout time to adapt to the social environment because languages are human communication tools which are shaped by their active usage. As much as traditionalists want to retain the shape of the language to the time they learnt it at school, this simply isn’t realistic nor beneficial.
One of the most significant changes of 21st century languages is the (re-)introduction of gender neutrality because a) the masculine genus is not representative of a mixed group and does influence our thinking about unknown people, and b) a portion of society – non-binary people as well as certain linguistic/philosophical topics – are unable to be expressed in a language even if they use paraphrasing. This is a flaw which many Romance languages like French, Spanish and Italian have which is why the current forms of inclusive language – although at a not totally refined state/shape right now – are important.
Makes sense, latin languages are so gendered even the objects and abstract concepts have genders. It just doesn’t work.
Good. I don’t know how it sounds in French but definitely makes people look quite… not smart in my languaje. The sooner it dissapears, the better.
These people are fucking clowns. If adopted, their ban would invalidate a huge number of official documents, including most ID cards.
ITT: people having no idea how a language works. This is prime r/badlinguistics material.
I hope Germany follows. Go France!
Good for you France! And thanks for showing us how to do it
> “Besides the fact that it does not correspond to the spoken language, it essentially imposes a second language, the complexity of which penalises people with cognitive disabilities, such as dyslexia, dyspraxia or apraxia.
What? Do they think “preserving” all the diphtongues, unread consonants, wovels not sounding as they are or unread bunch of endings at the end help people with such disabilities? They can remove them all and simplify the orthography then.
Thats great news
I am not French.
Am I missing something or are a lot of people in the comments bigots?
Écriture inclusive, c’est attardé.e.s
Good.
What’s official texts exactly? I would understand if it’s related to education, but I think banning books period is not a good idea
woke nonsense
ALELUIA!
Based France
Buon weekend!
Do the same for German language please
This makes me happy
“Inclusive Language”?
Y’all trashing on hungarian for being incomprehensible but we have one of the most gender-neutral languages.
He/She/They/It? Nah, Ő
None of our words are gendered and our only pronoun is gender-neutral.
If they wish for the language to die off, then keep gatekeepers like this in business. The world is moving away from insipid and pointless nationalism.
First thing fascist do is banning of words and books.
Based.
Thank god. We went way, and I mean WAY overboard with this inclusive BS.
It’s a good thing, for all the noise it makes the “inclusive” version for french is an obstacle to people with reading difficulties, people using reading software. So inclusive that it excluded people …
Thank god