I honestly can’t see why you would vote no on this. He has so many problems you just stop counting.
As much as I think Santos should be tossed out of congress, I don’t mind having him there as an example of republican scumbaggery. Keeping him in headlines can only help in the next election.
this is beyond stupid of dems
he *should* resign…
Zoe Lofgren who was on the team to impeach Trump voted to keep Santos???
There’s 3 names on that list that really disappoint me: Porter, Raskin and Slotkin.
A bunch of moderates i do not understand why they would votr NAY one of them is my representative i am definitely sending her a message.
I agree with the theory that it’s more beneficial to keep him active so the eventual convictions will be connected to the current GOP, as opposed to “former House representative”
They’ve calculated that his seat will turn blue only if they leave him in it.
Katie Porter is on this list, in other words, keeping Santos is terrible for the Rs
I would have voted “yea.” As a Democrat and a reasonably decent person with a few standards.
At 2/3 required the 31 didn’t matter.
Here’s the math:
179 expulsion, 213 against
Change 31 votes. 210 expulsion, 182 against.
210/(210+182) = .535 < .666 required
E I mean symbolically it would mean something. But end results no
**Menendez** *shocked in New Jersey*
I wonder why Rob Menendez would vote against having a criminal expelled from Congress? Definitely can’t be related to Senator Menendez’s (aka his father’s) recent indictments and the resulting calls for him to resign. Such a wild coincidence!
While there’s really no justification for anyone to not vote to expel this guy, there were 182 republicans who voted to keep him. Since there is a 2/3 minimum to expel a member, rather than a 50 50 vote, this needed a majority of the Republican caucus to have a chance to succeed.
But yeah by all means lets promote shitty articles like the hill that are trying to make “Santos” being here the blue teams fault.
Why is Katie Porter voting no?
We cry republicans are “party over politics” while we do the same because it’s politically beneficial to leave him in. I hate hypocrisy in all forms, including this. Enabling this just encourages congress to be a mockery
They are only waiting for the committee report due by the 17th.
This is just shameful. They should kick him out and not even consider party affiliations.
Not even mad honestly. A Dem has increased odds for that seat. He is going to jail, it’s a lose lose for the GOP. They shit the bed, now they have to sleep in it.
It’s kind of a brilliant tactic. If he’s out they can replace an even more MAGA compliant person…sometimes it’s better to choose the maniac you know vs the one you don’t. Plus it absolutely makes the GOP look bad, and possibly Santos might help dems on a bill or motion.
If Katie Porter & Jamie Raskan voted against the ouster, there must be a method to their madness…
Chaos is a ladder
Republicans should be forced to carry Santos to full term.
Wow. All that does is make me wonder what shit they up to so they feel like not wanting a precedent in place.
ep. Katie Porter (D-CA) released the following statement regarding her vote against expelling Rep. Santos before there’s been due process:
“Rep. Santos clearly violated the public trust, and I would’ve voted to censure him and do believe it would be appropriate for him to resign. The gravity of expulsion demands due process—by the Ethics Committee, our courts, or another impartial fact finder. To date, the Ethics Committee has not finished its investigation, and Rep. Santos has not been convicted. The House would set a dangerous precedent if we expelled a member without allowing one of these processes to conclude.”
This must’ve been a tactical move by Dems. Something is brewing up. Santos is a stain for the GOP
They are wanting to keep him in because of the all of the public damage he is doing to the GOP. They want people to remember him right up until Election Day next year. Getting rid of him early allows the GOP to place a MAGA rep in his spot and distract from the PR damages Santos has done.
Good on those 31 who voted NAY and good on those Dems who also voted YEA and showed America that their party has a conscience.
What a misleading headline! Why not point out the 182 Republicans that voted to keep him!?!?!?
Why not point out that 155 Democrats voted to oust him?!?!?!
Why not point out that only 24 Republicans voted to oust him?!?!?!
Reason:
> House ethics committee is finishing their investigation and report. It will be done in about three weeks. The better precedent is to expel members only post-conviction or post-ethics investigation. That way you get at least some due process – either internal or external – before expulsion. That’s existing precedent, at least as I understand it. This vote was basically asking us to change precedent in a way that’s unnecessary (we can wait three weeks) and could be really dangerous in the hands of a future Congress.
> He should definitely resign – no question. And I’m fine on voting to kick him out. Just need to make sure we don’t do that in a way that opens Pandora’s box down the road.
Courtesy of Jeff Jackson (one of the “Nay” votes) as explained here.
I genuinely believe 2 aspects to this:
1) make the GOP endure as much pain as possible by keeping him in.
2) trolling. I could see for a few it was pure trolling.
Read: The house ethics committee’s report isn’t coming out for another few weeks, and the Naysayers don’t want to set the precedent of ejecting someone pre due process (as if republicans cared about precedent but still…).
From what I can tell the Democratic House has its caucus in order right now. That means these 31 Democrats were not going rogue – this was strategic. I can think of several reasons they might want to play it this way, keeping Santos in the House while the majority of Democrats vote to remove.
The first is he’s a huge embarrassment for the GOP, and it’s a problem they created for themselves. Not my circus, not my monkey.
The second is to not make a habit of letting House members get removed. Santos probably really *does* deserve to be removed, thus the Democratic votes in favor – but the GOP doesn’t actually give a damn about that. They’ll remove people just because the GOP is a bunch of authoritarians. Thus the Democratic votes against. A bit of nuance.
The third is these Democrats may be in districts where this vote helps them. This goes back to “not my circus, not my monkey.” Democrats aren’t particularly hurt by one more loud-mouthed criminal Republican in the House. The Democrats gave Republicans more than enough votes that if *Republicans* had their house in order they could have removed him if they wanted. But they didn’t so they’re stuck with him. No harm in letting certain potentially vulnerable Democrats take a vote that will help them win re-election back home.
Another factor is Santos has not yet, that I’m aware, been *found* guilty of anything. Acting on accusations alone is a slippery slope. Even though Santos really does look guilty as hell we also know, once again, the GOP is perfectly happy to manufacture bullshit accusations and then act on them, and it’s not a strategy Democrats want to be seen as endorsing.
Because of due process. Santos is a piece of shit but he’s entitled to due process.
Are people really comfortable with turning expulsion from Congress into a popular vote by sitting representatives? Surely we can imagine a situation where a corrupt political party expels members of the opposition just because they don’t like them. That’s not ok. Let the process play out, wait for him to be forced from office by a conviction or the voters of his district.
Don’t play into the fascists’ broader goals by getting emotionally invested in how much you dislike George Santos. Your life will not suffer in the least even if he remains in Congress for his entire term. Our Constitution was written to protect us from the tyranny of the majority but the Republicans would love for the tyranny of the majority to become not only legal but the norm.
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31 Democrats vote to keep Santos in Congress
BY MIRANDA NAZZARO – 11/01/23 8:56 PM ET
A total of 31 Democrats joined 182 Republicans in voting to keep Rep. George Santos (R-N.Y.) in Congress, killing a Republican-led effort to oust the embattled lawmaker.
The lower chamber on Wednesday voted 179-213-19 on a resolution to expel Santos, marking the second unsuccessful attempt this year to eject the first-term lawmaker from the House. A two-thirds threshold is needed to expel a member of Congress.
A total of 31 Democrats and 182 Republicans voted against the resolution, while 24 Republicans and 155 Democrats voted to expel Santos.
The effort to oust Santos was spearheaded by a group of freshman New York Republicans — led by Rep. Anthony D’Esposito — who moved last week to force a vote to expel Santos in the wake of his mounting legal battles. D’Esposito called the legislation to the floor as a privileged resolution, a procedural gambit that forces leadership to set a vote within two legislative days.
Santos faces a total of 23 federal charges ahead of his trial, slated to begin in September 2024.
He pled not guilty last week to a set of 10 new criminal charges in a superseding indictment alleging he inflated his campaign finance reports and charged his donors’ credit cards without authorization.
In May, he was charged on 13 counts of misleading donors, fraudulently receiving unemployment benefits and lying on House financial disclosures.
Santos admitted earlier this year to embellishing parts of his background while campaigning, but he has reiterated he will not resign despite his legal troubles.
Here are the 31 Democratic House members who voted to keep Santos in Congress:
Rep. Collin Allred (Texas)
Rep. Jake Auchincloss (Mass.)
Rep. Ed Case (Hawaii)
Rep. Emmanuel Cleaver (Mo.)
Rep. Henry Cuellar (Texas)
Rep. Sharice Davids (Kan.)
Rep. Chris Deluzio (Penn.)
Rep. Lizzie Fletcher (Texas)
Rep. Jared Golden (Maine)
Rep. Jim Himes (Conn.)
Rep. Steven Horsford (Nev.)
Rep. Jeff Jackson (N.C.)
Rep. Hank Johnson (Ga.)
Rep. Rick Larsen (Wash.)
Rep. Susie Lee (Nev.)
Rep. Zoe Lofgren (Calif.)
Rep. Seth Magaziner (R.I.)
Rep. Morgan McGarvey (Ky.)
Rep. Rob Menendez (N.J.)
Rep. Gwen Moore (Wis.)
Rep. Marie Perez (Wash.)
Rep. Katie Porter (Calif.)
Rep. Jamie Raskin (Md.)
Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (Md.)
Rep. Brad Schneider (Ill.)
Rep. Kim Schrier (Wash.)
Rep. Bobby Scott (Va.)
Rep. Elissa Slotkin (Mich.)
Rep. Mark Takano (Calif.)
Rep. Rashida Tlaib (Mich.)
Rep. Nikema Williams (Ga.)
It’s not the Democrats job to remove Santos, it’s 100% that of his constituents and his GOP caucus. This is just The Hill trying to associate Democrats with GOP corruption and inaction.
Due process is due process. Can’t have it both ways
Reminds me of that time way back in the day where they opened the door for a lunatic Speaker of the House. Same Same, this tme they closed the door instead of opening it. I didn’t understand the Speaker of House move at first, but it looks like Dems are playing regular ‘ol chess instead of checkers. Hope it works out.
The Dems who voted to keep him. Santos is a humongous embarrassment for the GOP. Why would the Dems want to get rid of him? In the words of Napoleon, “Never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake”. Let him keep destroying the GOP.
I understand the explanation just fine and I completely don’t agree with it.
I’d vote nay forever just to make republicans look bad 😂 keep it up
This new literally, made me almost throw up. What the fuck is wrong with these people? The guy is a raving, pathological liar and they keep him around?!
Reposting my comment from other sub:
Why is the job of democrats to fix republicans? Breaking News. Republicans don’t want him neither because he fleeced them too. So fuck them, they get that until he gets voted out.
And fuck any idiots saying not voting for democrats because not getting everything they want, when the choice is a christofascist dictatorship and democracy.
Of course Menendez votes nay – worried about being next
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I honestly can’t see why you would vote no on this. He has so many problems you just stop counting.
As much as I think Santos should be tossed out of congress, I don’t mind having him there as an example of republican scumbaggery. Keeping him in headlines can only help in the next election.
this is beyond stupid of dems
he *should* resign…
Zoe Lofgren who was on the team to impeach Trump voted to keep Santos???
There’s 3 names on that list that really disappoint me: Porter, Raskin and Slotkin.
A bunch of moderates i do not understand why they would votr NAY one of them is my representative i am definitely sending her a message.
I agree with the theory that it’s more beneficial to keep him active so the eventual convictions will be connected to the current GOP, as opposed to “former House representative”
They’ve calculated that his seat will turn blue only if they leave him in it.
Katie Porter is on this list, in other words, keeping Santos is terrible for the Rs
I would have voted “yea.” As a Democrat and a reasonably decent person with a few standards.
At 2/3 required the 31 didn’t matter.
Here’s the math:
179 expulsion, 213 against
Change 31 votes. 210 expulsion, 182 against.
210/(210+182) = .535 < .666 required
E I mean symbolically it would mean something. But end results no
**Menendez** *shocked in New Jersey*
I wonder why Rob Menendez would vote against having a criminal expelled from Congress? Definitely can’t be related to Senator Menendez’s (aka his father’s) recent indictments and the resulting calls for him to resign. Such a wild coincidence!
While there’s really no justification for anyone to not vote to expel this guy, there were 182 republicans who voted to keep him. Since there is a 2/3 minimum to expel a member, rather than a 50 50 vote, this needed a majority of the Republican caucus to have a chance to succeed.
But yeah by all means lets promote shitty articles like the hill that are trying to make “Santos” being here the blue teams fault.
Why is Katie Porter voting no?
We cry republicans are “party over politics” while we do the same because it’s politically beneficial to leave him in. I hate hypocrisy in all forms, including this. Enabling this just encourages congress to be a mockery
They are only waiting for the committee report due by the 17th.
This is just shameful. They should kick him out and not even consider party affiliations.
Not even mad honestly. A Dem has increased odds for that seat. He is going to jail, it’s a lose lose for the GOP. They shit the bed, now they have to sleep in it.
It’s kind of a brilliant tactic. If he’s out they can replace an even more MAGA compliant person…sometimes it’s better to choose the maniac you know vs the one you don’t. Plus it absolutely makes the GOP look bad, and possibly Santos might help dems on a bill or motion.
If Katie Porter & Jamie Raskan voted against the ouster, there must be a method to their madness…
Chaos is a ladder
Republicans should be forced to carry Santos to full term.
Jeff Jackson has a great response [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/triangle/s/FXtRUytPRF)
Wow. All that does is make me wonder what shit they up to so they feel like not wanting a precedent in place.
ep. Katie Porter (D-CA) released the following statement regarding her vote against expelling Rep. Santos before there’s been due process:
“Rep. Santos clearly violated the public trust, and I would’ve voted to censure him and do believe it would be appropriate for him to resign. The gravity of expulsion demands due process—by the Ethics Committee, our courts, or another impartial fact finder. To date, the Ethics Committee has not finished its investigation, and Rep. Santos has not been convicted. The House would set a dangerous precedent if we expelled a member without allowing one of these processes to conclude.”
This must’ve been a tactical move by Dems. Something is brewing up. Santos is a stain for the GOP
They are wanting to keep him in because of the all of the public damage he is doing to the GOP. They want people to remember him right up until Election Day next year. Getting rid of him early allows the GOP to place a MAGA rep in his spot and distract from the PR damages Santos has done.
Good on those 31 who voted NAY and good on those Dems who also voted YEA and showed America that their party has a conscience.
What a misleading headline! Why not point out the 182 Republicans that voted to keep him!?!?!?
Why not point out that 155 Democrats voted to oust him?!?!?!
Why not point out that only 24 Republicans voted to oust him?!?!?!
Reason:
> House ethics committee is finishing their investigation and report. It will be done in about three weeks. The better precedent is to expel members only post-conviction or post-ethics investigation. That way you get at least some due process – either internal or external – before expulsion. That’s existing precedent, at least as I understand it. This vote was basically asking us to change precedent in a way that’s unnecessary (we can wait three weeks) and could be really dangerous in the hands of a future Congress.
> He should definitely resign – no question. And I’m fine on voting to kick him out. Just need to make sure we don’t do that in a way that opens Pandora’s box down the road.
Courtesy of Jeff Jackson (one of the “Nay” votes) as explained here.
I genuinely believe 2 aspects to this:
1) make the GOP endure as much pain as possible by keeping him in.
2) trolling. I could see for a few it was pure trolling.
Read: The house ethics committee’s report isn’t coming out for another few weeks, and the Naysayers don’t want to set the precedent of ejecting someone pre due process (as if republicans cared about precedent but still…).
From what I can tell the Democratic House has its caucus in order right now. That means these 31 Democrats were not going rogue – this was strategic. I can think of several reasons they might want to play it this way, keeping Santos in the House while the majority of Democrats vote to remove.
The first is he’s a huge embarrassment for the GOP, and it’s a problem they created for themselves. Not my circus, not my monkey.
The second is to not make a habit of letting House members get removed. Santos probably really *does* deserve to be removed, thus the Democratic votes in favor – but the GOP doesn’t actually give a damn about that. They’ll remove people just because the GOP is a bunch of authoritarians. Thus the Democratic votes against. A bit of nuance.
The third is these Democrats may be in districts where this vote helps them. This goes back to “not my circus, not my monkey.” Democrats aren’t particularly hurt by one more loud-mouthed criminal Republican in the House. The Democrats gave Republicans more than enough votes that if *Republicans* had their house in order they could have removed him if they wanted. But they didn’t so they’re stuck with him. No harm in letting certain potentially vulnerable Democrats take a vote that will help them win re-election back home.
Another factor is Santos has not yet, that I’m aware, been *found* guilty of anything. Acting on accusations alone is a slippery slope. Even though Santos really does look guilty as hell we also know, once again, the GOP is perfectly happy to manufacture bullshit accusations and then act on them, and it’s not a strategy Democrats want to be seen as endorsing.
Because of due process. Santos is a piece of shit but he’s entitled to due process.
Are people really comfortable with turning expulsion from Congress into a popular vote by sitting representatives? Surely we can imagine a situation where a corrupt political party expels members of the opposition just because they don’t like them. That’s not ok. Let the process play out, wait for him to be forced from office by a conviction or the voters of his district.
Don’t play into the fascists’ broader goals by getting emotionally invested in how much you dislike George Santos. Your life will not suffer in the least even if he remains in Congress for his entire term. Our Constitution was written to protect us from the tyranny of the majority but the Republicans would love for the tyranny of the majority to become not only legal but the norm.
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31 Democrats vote to keep Santos in Congress
BY MIRANDA NAZZARO – 11/01/23 8:56 PM ET
A total of 31 Democrats joined 182 Republicans in voting to keep Rep. George Santos (R-N.Y.) in Congress, killing a Republican-led effort to oust the embattled lawmaker.
The lower chamber on Wednesday voted 179-213-19 on a resolution to expel Santos, marking the second unsuccessful attempt this year to eject the first-term lawmaker from the House. A two-thirds threshold is needed to expel a member of Congress.
A total of 31 Democrats and 182 Republicans voted against the resolution, while 24 Republicans and 155 Democrats voted to expel Santos.
The effort to oust Santos was spearheaded by a group of freshman New York Republicans — led by Rep. Anthony D’Esposito — who moved last week to force a vote to expel Santos in the wake of his mounting legal battles. D’Esposito called the legislation to the floor as a privileged resolution, a procedural gambit that forces leadership to set a vote within two legislative days.
Santos faces a total of 23 federal charges ahead of his trial, slated to begin in September 2024.
He pled not guilty last week to a set of 10 new criminal charges in a superseding indictment alleging he inflated his campaign finance reports and charged his donors’ credit cards without authorization.
In May, he was charged on 13 counts of misleading donors, fraudulently receiving unemployment benefits and lying on House financial disclosures.
Santos admitted earlier this year to embellishing parts of his background while campaigning, but he has reiterated he will not resign despite his legal troubles.
Here are the 31 Democratic House members who voted to keep Santos in Congress:
Rep. Collin Allred (Texas)
Rep. Jake Auchincloss (Mass.)
Rep. Ed Case (Hawaii)
Rep. Emmanuel Cleaver (Mo.)
Rep. Henry Cuellar (Texas)
Rep. Sharice Davids (Kan.)
Rep. Chris Deluzio (Penn.)
Rep. Lizzie Fletcher (Texas)
Rep. Jared Golden (Maine)
Rep. Jim Himes (Conn.)
Rep. Steven Horsford (Nev.)
Rep. Jeff Jackson (N.C.)
Rep. Hank Johnson (Ga.)
Rep. Rick Larsen (Wash.)
Rep. Susie Lee (Nev.)
Rep. Zoe Lofgren (Calif.)
Rep. Seth Magaziner (R.I.)
Rep. Morgan McGarvey (Ky.)
Rep. Rob Menendez (N.J.)
Rep. Gwen Moore (Wis.)
Rep. Marie Perez (Wash.)
Rep. Katie Porter (Calif.)
Rep. Jamie Raskin (Md.)
Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (Md.)
Rep. Brad Schneider (Ill.)
Rep. Kim Schrier (Wash.)
Rep. Bobby Scott (Va.)
Rep. Elissa Slotkin (Mich.)
Rep. Mark Takano (Calif.)
Rep. Rashida Tlaib (Mich.)
Rep. Nikema Williams (Ga.)
It’s not the Democrats job to remove Santos, it’s 100% that of his constituents and his GOP caucus. This is just The Hill trying to associate Democrats with GOP corruption and inaction.
Due process is due process. Can’t have it both ways
Reminds me of that time way back in the day where they opened the door for a lunatic Speaker of the House. Same Same, this tme they closed the door instead of opening it. I didn’t understand the Speaker of House move at first, but it looks like Dems are playing regular ‘ol chess instead of checkers. Hope it works out.
The Dems who voted to keep him. Santos is a humongous embarrassment for the GOP. Why would the Dems want to get rid of him? In the words of Napoleon, “Never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake”. Let him keep destroying the GOP.
I understand the explanation just fine and I completely don’t agree with it.
I’d vote nay forever just to make republicans look bad 😂 keep it up
This new literally, made me almost throw up. What the fuck is wrong with these people? The guy is a raving, pathological liar and they keep him around?!
Reposting my comment from other sub:
Why is the job of democrats to fix republicans? Breaking News. Republicans don’t want him neither because he fleeced them too. So fuck them, they get that until he gets voted out.
And fuck any idiots saying not voting for democrats because not getting everything they want, when the choice is a christofascist dictatorship and democracy.
Of course Menendez votes nay – worried about being next