Why are they gendering a chair in the first place?
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I have no problem with putting everything that is by default masculine as feminine instead if it’s really important to some people, but inclusive language in French just breaks the flow of reading.
Example: « Bonjour a tous•tes »
> If passed, the policy would ban the teaching of “inclusive” writing, known as écriture inclusive, which involves writing both masculine and feminine forms of gendered words, separated by dots.
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> Examples include “président.e.s” (president), sénateur.rice.s (senators), and cher·e·s lecteur·rice·s (dear reader).
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> “In our language, the masculine acts as the neutral,” Macron said. “There is no need to add dots in the middle of words, or dashes, or anything that makes the text unreadable.”
The midpoint is just a pain for dyslexic people.
Is the state of Gender equality so good in france that THIS is what they are fighting for? How about even salaries/job opportunities? All good?
Germany should ban that bullshit too.
Way to biased source imo. Title is the opposite of neutral and the entire article is misleading.
Somewhere, there has to be a limit on how much you can expect other people to do linguistic backflips in order to make you feel better. There are more productive uses of everyone’s time and energy.
The Abilene Paradox. Everyone thinks that everyone else thinks that it’s a great idea, while in fact it’s only a few people, who are interested in it. +1 to Macron for not falling to it.
This is honestly messed up. I can’t imagine actively trying to prevent the evolution of a language. The people dictate how a language goes, not the government.
Écriture inclusive is a major PITA to read.
It’s easier to read the meme with all the letters scrambled up than this new bs.
But as someone else said, it’s a very small vocal minority that makes enough noise for it to become an “issue”.
IMHO The primary objective of this paper is to maintain the awareness of LGBT++ existence. Nothing bad, must be even be courageous. France is cool regarding this because it’s an all-in integration system and not an “isolated islands” country, i hope american lgbt++ can understand what i’m trying to say… 🙂
I this is like Latinx.
You need a very myopic view that shits on the basics of the language to endorse this.
How do you make a language like French gender neutral / inclusive?
Honest question.
Macron is an expert in engaging useless surface level topics as a diversion.
No one cares.
Despite the French government’s best efforts, no one can regulate a language. This gender-inclusive thingy is a non issue. If it is useful, it will catch on no matter how hard they try to prevent it, but if it’s unusable, then it won’t catch on.
Why is he even adressing this topic…
As someone who struggled with learning French because everything has a gender including the damn CHAIR and WINDOW, I don’t believe making it even more confusing would be an ideal solution.
Banning it just seems stupid. It’s not as if it was being taught everywhere so this just looks like a deeply unliked president trying to score political points by dealing with an imaginary problem.
All of those saying just use one gender, let it be the feminine. How do you feel now?
Good job France for not letting idiotic semantics over complicate an already complex language structure. The line stops when you fundamentally try and make language harder and harder.
The Academie Francaise asserts it’s dominance, again.
Damn, i thought any person has a right to name it’s gender. It happens that in France, you can’t name your gender as ah-64 assault helicopter.
I’m just saying, there’s better ways to make french gender neutral
I agree it’s stupid for strictly grammar, but for terms like professions what we did in Norway is that due to the previously masculine term being neutral the female term just stopped existing. If you say the equivalent to teacheress, doctoress, presidentess, people will think you are strange. But I don’t know enough about the workings of the French language to know if removing that would mess with grammar or something though
ITT: people who have no understanding of language or linguistics giving their opinions on language and linguistics
Yes. This kind of writing is no effective and worsen readability. If some wants to use it then fine, go ahead. Otherwise it’s shit.
He’s a “centrist”, aka, closeted far-right wing ghoul
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Why are they gendering a chair in the first place?
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I have no problem with putting everything that is by default masculine as feminine instead if it’s really important to some people, but inclusive language in French just breaks the flow of reading.
Example: « Bonjour a tous•tes »
> If passed, the policy would ban the teaching of “inclusive” writing, known as écriture inclusive, which involves writing both masculine and feminine forms of gendered words, separated by dots.
>
> Examples include “président.e.s” (president), sénateur.rice.s (senators), and cher·e·s lecteur·rice·s (dear reader).
>
> “In our language, the masculine acts as the neutral,” Macron said. “There is no need to add dots in the middle of words, or dashes, or anything that makes the text unreadable.”
The midpoint is just a pain for dyslexic people.
Is the state of Gender equality so good in france that THIS is what they are fighting for? How about even salaries/job opportunities? All good?
Germany should ban that bullshit too.
Way to biased source imo. Title is the opposite of neutral and the entire article is misleading.
Somewhere, there has to be a limit on how much you can expect other people to do linguistic backflips in order to make you feel better. There are more productive uses of everyone’s time and energy.
The Abilene Paradox. Everyone thinks that everyone else thinks that it’s a great idea, while in fact it’s only a few people, who are interested in it. +1 to Macron for not falling to it.
This is honestly messed up. I can’t imagine actively trying to prevent the evolution of a language. The people dictate how a language goes, not the government.
Écriture inclusive is a major PITA to read.
It’s easier to read the meme with all the letters scrambled up than this new bs.
But as someone else said, it’s a very small vocal minority that makes enough noise for it to become an “issue”.
IMHO The primary objective of this paper is to maintain the awareness of LGBT++ existence. Nothing bad, must be even be courageous. France is cool regarding this because it’s an all-in integration system and not an “isolated islands” country, i hope american lgbt++ can understand what i’m trying to say… 🙂
I this is like Latinx.
You need a very myopic view that shits on the basics of the language to endorse this.
How do you make a language like French gender neutral / inclusive?
Honest question.
Macron is an expert in engaging useless surface level topics as a diversion.
No one cares.
Despite the French government’s best efforts, no one can regulate a language. This gender-inclusive thingy is a non issue. If it is useful, it will catch on no matter how hard they try to prevent it, but if it’s unusable, then it won’t catch on.
Why is he even adressing this topic…
As someone who struggled with learning French because everything has a gender including the damn CHAIR and WINDOW, I don’t believe making it even more confusing would be an ideal solution.
Banning it just seems stupid. It’s not as if it was being taught everywhere so this just looks like a deeply unliked president trying to score political points by dealing with an imaginary problem.
All of those saying just use one gender, let it be the feminine. How do you feel now?
Good job France for not letting idiotic semantics over complicate an already complex language structure. The line stops when you fundamentally try and make language harder and harder.
The Academie Francaise asserts it’s dominance, again.
Damn, i thought any person has a right to name it’s gender. It happens that in France, you can’t name your gender as ah-64 assault helicopter.
I’m just saying, there’s better ways to make french gender neutral
I agree it’s stupid for strictly grammar, but for terms like professions what we did in Norway is that due to the previously masculine term being neutral the female term just stopped existing. If you say the equivalent to teacheress, doctoress, presidentess, people will think you are strange. But I don’t know enough about the workings of the French language to know if removing that would mess with grammar or something though
ITT: people who have no understanding of language or linguistics giving their opinions on language and linguistics
Yes. This kind of writing is no effective and worsen readability. If some wants to use it then fine, go ahead. Otherwise it’s shit.
He’s a “centrist”, aka, closeted far-right wing ghoul