Trumpism is a disease and clearly it has infected his lawyers.
You know what they say. If you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. If you have the law on your side, argue the law. And if you don’t have either, make an ass of yourself and provoke the judge to fine you.
These types of reactions from the judge are exactly why Trump is doing what he’s doing. The judge will need to be exceptionally careful when admonishing Trump and his lawyers from the bench because they’re looking for *any* reason, real or otherwise, to ask for a mistrial.
>“I’ll wait again to get the note that you have from Ms. Greenfield [the judge’s female clerk]. You may have a question for me. Maybe it is about dinner,” [trump’s lawyer] Kise told the judge, according to Rubin.
>“That is an absolutely crazy thing to say to a judge. Nutso,” tweeted conservative attorney George Conway.
This seems to be part of a pattern of making irrational, ridiculous claims about the clerk. For no legal purpose, of course, just misogyny to be used to rile up the base on social media and keep the suckers handing over cash to their deity.
This is all so ridiculous…tRump appointed judge doing all she can to show favoritism to tRump is fine. If it happens the other way…stop the presses…
They’ve already lost. This is aimed to provoke the court to build a defense for mistrial. The point is the be sleezy, unruly, jerky, argumentive… but not unlawful. I would place money on Trump coaching his lawyers to use his playbook of insults, implications and brashness to get the Judge to provide them with evidence of mistrial. It is up to the Judge to remain professional and neutral.
As if the lawyer for Donald “Grab ’em by the pussy” Trump is not going to be a reprehensible misogynist. If they were stunned, they weren’t “experts” lol
They all need to spend a weekend in jail. This is insane.
So, let me get this right. The legal strategy of the legal team is to piss off the judge. The expectation is that it will lead to a more favorable outcome?
It’s almost as if Trumps lawyers are as insecure as he is
and engoron is a decent human being with a sense of humor and a pretty long fuse EXCEPT when kuse, like his ahole client, start up again on the law clerk. and kuse knows this and not only goes after her, but tosses that shit bomb at the judge as well. great idea to gag him as well judge. i know you don’t get paid enough for this, but you will be remembered in the history books, if they aren’t all scrubbed by then.
“I am not a misogynist,” Kise told the judge, according to The New York Times, noting that he’s happily married and has a daughter.
I have plenty of black friends.
Lawyer here with a little context if you’re interested. TL:DR – I am shocked that any lawyer would shit the bed this hard.
There is a joke that goes “Good lawyers know the law, great lawyers know that judge, but the best lawyers know the court staff.”
Without experience, it is hard to appreciate just how important court staff are to *ANYTHING* you need to do at court. Almost every single one from administrators, clerks, coordinators, to bailiffs has power to influence how your day at court goes.
Did you forget that before you filed the paper form of a last will and testament that it needs 3 staples instead of 2? Well if you gave the Sherry (who is an absolutely wonderful person anyways) a nice box of Christmas cookies last year, she might notice and remind you before she takes it. Boom, you just saved yourself an extra trip.
Courthouses gossip more than knitting groups. So if you get snippy with someone who works the copy room, you can bet court room 3’s coordinator will hear that you were kinda a dick. Maybe they will call someone else first if a 30 minute spot opens up on the judge’s schedule.
So not only have they managed to piss off the judge by telling them what they can or cannot do *in their own court*, but they have also managed to piss off almost every other person who works in the courthouse. Even bad lawyers (like public intox with hair dye melting down their face bad) would look at this and think “Damn thats some dumb shit”
Maybe we should start prosecuting the College Deans who gave these people law degrees.
Wtf does the clerk have anything to do with any of this? People really be out here trying to make a living and it’s a great offense to Trump
>Kise also insisted, “I’m not a misogynist,” citing as proof, “I have a 17-year-old daughter.”
When your answer to an accusation of treating women with prejudice is “I am not a misogynist, I have possession of one”…
Judge sounds like a good boss.
What a crazy article/crazy behavior
“I can’t be a misogynist, I have a mother” GTFOH
“I assure you that’s not the issue,” fellow Trump lawyer Alina Habba insisted, before complaining about Greenfield having improper influences over the judge and arguing she can’t be a misogynist because she is a woman, according to the Times.
That she probably believes that shows just how incredibly incompetent and dumb she is. How did she become lawyer?
As any qualified lawyer will tell you, avoiding pissing off the judge is court 101. Even freshman lawyers know better. It offers nothing strategy wise and will not help on appeal. If anything it risks also angering future appeal judges as the read transcripts of the trial. It’s just beyond dumb.
Trump reportedly said “She is not a civil servant!” Servants are people I employ. I tell them what to do and they do it. She is not one of those people.”
Kise even looks like the psycho he is.
Throw them all in contempt and lock them up until they get serious about the trial. They’ll wake the fuck up once they see who their cellmates are, and are fed shit on a shingle for dinner.
For the lawyers out there, if this case goes against Kise, could he use this as possible grounds for a mistrial? Is skirting the line of contempt a possible fail safe?
Turn everything into a spectacle
Jesus H Christ, this is what you get when no legitimate lawyer will touch you with a 50 foot pole and you think a courtroom is actually the court of public opinion.
This would be funny if it weren’t so sad.
And yet no contempt charges
Gaslighting pure and simple. They are literally making the judge look insane because they are gaslighting him. Their next line of defense (in the court of public opinion) is to side-eye each other and just go with “Ohhhh kay judge. Jeez… you need to calm down.”
Any other human this shit wouldn’t be happening – the judge honestly sounds beside himself because again, any other human, he throw them behind bars so fast for this kind of misconduct.
Regular people are arrested and serve time for the most stupid and mundane things based purely on “respect” (dont respect a cop? arrested. dont respect a judge? arrested. walk too fast or slow by something? arrested. dont understand the rules? arrested) every fucking day. And yet this clown show continues to go on – making a total mockery of our court system and our rule of law. And we’re literally powerless to do anything about it due simply to mob rule and cults.
Antisemitism on the part of the Trump team
To be honest though, this is the exact kind of scumbag I’d expect to see representing Trump.
“I’ll wait again to get the note that you have from Ms. Greenfield. You may have a question for me. Maybe it is about dinner,” Kise told the judge, according to Rubin.”
Holy shit.
They know they’re fucked. The fact are clear and the screwed up not asking for a jury trial.
So now they just want to make enough noise they can taint the court’s legitimacy and get enough support “just asking questions” that this doesn’t hurt him politically.
This and constant delays are the only legal strategies he employs.
from CNN:
>Judge Arthur Engoron said he will issue a written order Friday afternoon on what can and can’t be said during the New York civil fraud trial about his staff after more discussion about the role of his law clerk during the hearing.
“Only the best…”
I wonder how many of Trumps Attorneys will end up getting themselves disbarred trying to defend him.
I don’t like how this article seems to be the backwards episode of Seinfeld.
Prison for them fucking now. You or I would be rotting a jail cell. It’s nearly time to kick things over and start again. We got no faith in Justice being done.
This stuff with the judge reminds me of a Law & Order episode where the judge had dementia and was being completely “handled” by his clerk. I wonder if Trump watches L & O and is pushing a “strategy” to get the judge’s verdict kicked out.
The Trump team may realize they are mega-screwed and expect to lose no matter what internally and are hoping to hit a Trumpie like Cannon to overturn on appeal with this trumped up (lol) BS since they may have little hope of winning any case against Trump whether civil or criminal. There is no rational reason a lawyer would deliberately anger the judge unless he was angling for that other than to show out for his client who he is effectively screwing by pandering to him. Hey, some of them can do it simply due to incompetence but not all of them are bottom of the barrel like that. Narcissism means never having to say you are sorry, but it can eventually come with consequences.
The I can’t be a misogynist because I have wife and daughter argument is such a red flag.
Can they put that orange vector in jail already? These courts fucking around will result in him in the WH again.
It’s a bold strategy, Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for ’em.
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Trumpism is a disease and clearly it has infected his lawyers.
You know what they say. If you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. If you have the law on your side, argue the law. And if you don’t have either, make an ass of yourself and provoke the judge to fine you.
I don’t think the judge can be any clearer than [this](https://i.imgur.com/DWUzWTi.png).
These types of reactions from the judge are exactly why Trump is doing what he’s doing. The judge will need to be exceptionally careful when admonishing Trump and his lawyers from the bench because they’re looking for *any* reason, real or otherwise, to ask for a mistrial.
>“I’ll wait again to get the note that you have from Ms. Greenfield [the judge’s female clerk]. You may have a question for me. Maybe it is about dinner,” [trump’s lawyer] Kise told the judge, according to Rubin.
>“That is an absolutely crazy thing to say to a judge. Nutso,” tweeted conservative attorney George Conway.
This seems to be part of a pattern of making irrational, ridiculous claims about the clerk. For no legal purpose, of course, just misogyny to be used to rile up the base on social media and keep the suckers handing over cash to their deity.
This is all so ridiculous…tRump appointed judge doing all she can to show favoritism to tRump is fine. If it happens the other way…stop the presses…
They’ve already lost. This is aimed to provoke the court to build a defense for mistrial. The point is the be sleezy, unruly, jerky, argumentive… but not unlawful. I would place money on Trump coaching his lawyers to use his playbook of insults, implications and brashness to get the Judge to provide them with evidence of mistrial. It is up to the Judge to remain professional and neutral.
As if the lawyer for Donald “Grab ’em by the pussy” Trump is not going to be a reprehensible misogynist. If they were stunned, they weren’t “experts” lol
They all need to spend a weekend in jail. This is insane.
So, let me get this right. The legal strategy of the legal team is to piss off the judge. The expectation is that it will lead to a more favorable outcome?
It’s almost as if Trumps lawyers are as insecure as he is
and engoron is a decent human being with a sense of humor and a pretty long fuse EXCEPT when kuse, like his ahole client, start up again on the law clerk. and kuse knows this and not only goes after her, but tosses that shit bomb at the judge as well. great idea to gag him as well judge. i know you don’t get paid enough for this, but you will be remembered in the history books, if they aren’t all scrubbed by then.
“I am not a misogynist,” Kise told the judge, according to The New York Times, noting that he’s happily married and has a daughter.
I have plenty of black friends.
Lawyer here with a little context if you’re interested. TL:DR – I am shocked that any lawyer would shit the bed this hard.
There is a joke that goes “Good lawyers know the law, great lawyers know that judge, but the best lawyers know the court staff.”
Without experience, it is hard to appreciate just how important court staff are to *ANYTHING* you need to do at court. Almost every single one from administrators, clerks, coordinators, to bailiffs has power to influence how your day at court goes.
Did you forget that before you filed the paper form of a last will and testament that it needs 3 staples instead of 2? Well if you gave the Sherry (who is an absolutely wonderful person anyways) a nice box of Christmas cookies last year, she might notice and remind you before she takes it. Boom, you just saved yourself an extra trip.
Courthouses gossip more than knitting groups. So if you get snippy with someone who works the copy room, you can bet court room 3’s coordinator will hear that you were kinda a dick. Maybe they will call someone else first if a 30 minute spot opens up on the judge’s schedule.
So not only have they managed to piss off the judge by telling them what they can or cannot do *in their own court*, but they have also managed to piss off almost every other person who works in the courthouse. Even bad lawyers (like public intox with hair dye melting down their face bad) would look at this and think “Damn thats some dumb shit”
Maybe we should start prosecuting the College Deans who gave these people law degrees.
Wtf does the clerk have anything to do with any of this? People really be out here trying to make a living and it’s a great offense to Trump
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-mysteries-love/201908/12-ways-spot-female-misogynist
“Time to move to plan B. Insult the bailiff!”
>Kise also insisted, “I’m not a misogynist,” citing as proof, “I have a 17-year-old daughter.”
When your answer to an accusation of treating women with prejudice is “I am not a misogynist, I have possession of one”…
Judge sounds like a good boss.
What a crazy article/crazy behavior
“I can’t be a misogynist, I have a mother” GTFOH
“I assure you that’s not the issue,” fellow Trump lawyer Alina Habba insisted, before complaining about Greenfield having improper influences over the judge and arguing she can’t be a misogynist because she is a woman, according to the Times.
That she probably believes that shows just how incredibly incompetent and dumb she is. How did she become lawyer?
As any qualified lawyer will tell you, avoiding pissing off the judge is court 101. Even freshman lawyers know better. It offers nothing strategy wise and will not help on appeal. If anything it risks also angering future appeal judges as the read transcripts of the trial. It’s just beyond dumb.
Trump reportedly said “She is not a civil servant!” Servants are people I employ. I tell them what to do and they do it. She is not one of those people.”
Kise even looks like the psycho he is.
Throw them all in contempt and lock them up until they get serious about the trial. They’ll wake the fuck up once they see who their cellmates are, and are fed shit on a shingle for dinner.
For the lawyers out there, if this case goes against Kise, could he use this as possible grounds for a mistrial? Is skirting the line of contempt a possible fail safe?
Turn everything into a spectacle
Jesus H Christ, this is what you get when no legitimate lawyer will touch you with a 50 foot pole and you think a courtroom is actually the court of public opinion.
This would be funny if it weren’t so sad.
And yet no contempt charges
Gaslighting pure and simple. They are literally making the judge look insane because they are gaslighting him. Their next line of defense (in the court of public opinion) is to side-eye each other and just go with “Ohhhh kay judge. Jeez… you need to calm down.”
Any other human this shit wouldn’t be happening – the judge honestly sounds beside himself because again, any other human, he throw them behind bars so fast for this kind of misconduct.
Lets all remember: a woman (a citizen) was arrested and convicted for laughing during Jeff Sessions hearing. (It was later thrown out because of how fucking insane that is: [https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/14/537232376/judge-throws-out-conviction-of-woman-who-laughed-at-jeff-sessions](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/14/537232376/judge-throws-out-conviction-of-woman-who-laughed-at-jeff-sessions))
Regular people are arrested and serve time for the most stupid and mundane things based purely on “respect” (dont respect a cop? arrested. dont respect a judge? arrested. walk too fast or slow by something? arrested. dont understand the rules? arrested) every fucking day. And yet this clown show continues to go on – making a total mockery of our court system and our rule of law. And we’re literally powerless to do anything about it due simply to mob rule and cults.
Antisemitism on the part of the Trump team
To be honest though, this is the exact kind of scumbag I’d expect to see representing Trump.
“I’ll wait again to get the note that you have from Ms. Greenfield. You may have a question for me. Maybe it is about dinner,” Kise told the judge, according to Rubin.”
Holy shit.
They know they’re fucked. The fact are clear and the screwed up not asking for a jury trial.
So now they just want to make enough noise they can taint the court’s legitimacy and get enough support “just asking questions” that this doesn’t hurt him politically.
This and constant delays are the only legal strategies he employs.
from CNN:
>Judge Arthur Engoron said he will issue a written order Friday afternoon on what can and can’t be said during the New York civil fraud trial about his staff after more discussion about the role of his law clerk during the hearing.
“Only the best…”
I wonder how many of Trumps Attorneys will end up getting themselves disbarred trying to defend him.
I don’t like how this article seems to be the backwards episode of Seinfeld.
Prison for them fucking now. You or I would be rotting a jail cell. It’s nearly time to kick things over and start again. We got no faith in Justice being done.
This stuff with the judge reminds me of a Law & Order episode where the judge had dementia and was being completely “handled” by his clerk. I wonder if Trump watches L & O and is pushing a “strategy” to get the judge’s verdict kicked out.
The Trump team may realize they are mega-screwed and expect to lose no matter what internally and are hoping to hit a Trumpie like Cannon to overturn on appeal with this trumped up (lol) BS since they may have little hope of winning any case against Trump whether civil or criminal. There is no rational reason a lawyer would deliberately anger the judge unless he was angling for that other than to show out for his client who he is effectively screwing by pandering to him. Hey, some of them can do it simply due to incompetence but not all of them are bottom of the barrel like that. Narcissism means never having to say you are sorry, but it can eventually come with consequences.
The I can’t be a misogynist because I have wife and daughter argument is such a red flag.
Can they put that orange vector in jail already? These courts fucking around will result in him in the WH again.
It’s a bold strategy, Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for ’em.