Been obvious for awhile. They should be thrown out.
The problem with potentially kicking Turkey out of NATO is that it only adds fuel to the fire and would being them closer to Russia.
We should at least stop giving them the latest technology. Just obsolete garbage, so that when they inevitably betray us, they can’t do too much damage.
At this point it’s not even questionable
> America has everything it needs to designate Turkey as a state sponsor of terrorism.
That would be quite a development.
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Putin’s vehicle for power is Russian ultra-nationalism. Greatest dream of Russian ultra-nationalism before 1917 was to regain “Czargrad” (today Istanbul).
Turkish interests in Central Asia is diametrally opposed to Russia.
Turkey will stay in the NATO-team, everything else would be hilariously stupid.
But Erdogan will bargain for the best price he can get.
Let Cyprus as a whole join Greece.
Try Istanbul, maybe he is better ally
Agreed ✅✅✅
They’ve been “questionable” for a long time. Unfortunately, having them as a NATO member is better then the alternative. They are geographically über important …. essentially they control access to the Black Sea. They have a large standing army that is moderately modern and they offer other benefits.
If they weren’t a member of NATO, I fear they would be much closer to Russia, possibility even an alliance. They would continue to slip closer to China and Iran, as well as other “questionable” nations.
So, sure …. they are a pain in the ass and their democracy continues to decline, but they are important and needed. Erdogan says this kind of stuff primarily for domestic consumption, particularly among the more “conservative” Muslims in Turkey. Does he mean what he says? Maybes a little bit of it, but he knows he very much needs the US/Canada and the EU. When Erdogan finally croaks or is miraculously voted out, Turkey will either reclaim a lot of its democratic integrity, or slip further into democratic decline. Either way, no matter which way it goes, they will stay within NATO if only for our access to the Bosphorus Straits.
Turkish diplomacy is questionable full stop. It’s not just a NATO problem. They’re the equivalent of a schizophrenic neighbor. But because of the Bosphorus we just can’t ignore them.
Ekathimerini
Turkey is a troll, erdogan has shit on both the west and Russia equally, for years. He does that because it sells well in turkey, big strong Islam standing up to infidels and the reason he’s gone full Islamic twat is the coup that very nearly got him. He’s retreated into turkeys past to save his own neck. As long as he’s paying the right oligarchs and talking about how great Allah is he’s safe.
Turkey being a pain that has to be tolerated is just the norm, in fact it’s the entire history of turkey. You simply can’t be enemies with turkey because it’s too strategically important. Thankfully turkey is relatively weak and can’t actually project power in any meaningful way.
No one’s kicking turkey out of NATO, it’s not going to happen.
No shit. Erdogan is literally promoting antisemitism
Honey. Wake up, it’s time for your next “*we should kick Turkey out of NATO*” piece.
When did these stupid pieces started to pop up?
The accession of Sweden and Finland into NATO. Only there did it pop up so frequently.
Turkey initially objected based on a variety of issues with these countries, primarily the activities of a group designated as a terrorist organisation by the United States, European Union and Turkey. And these were objections, that Turkey has every right so speak out as the admission of these countries into NATO would mean that Turkish soldiers could die in defense of these countries. If both Sweden and Finland ask for that by applying for NATO, they should be fair enough to listen to Turkish objections. They’ve done so and issues were solved. Finland joined and Sweden will soon join. NATO is based on mutual trust. If its member can’t trust each other, the organisation becomes obsolote. We’ve seen it with Armenia and CSTO. It’s good that NATO could solve this issue.
Turkey was there when Article 5 was invoked after 9/11.
Turkey confronted Russia in different theaters long before Ukraine.
Turkey stands with Ukraine and its admission into NATO and with the Western alliance to hold back Russia.
We are entering an age of increased confrontation and conflict. Turkey has an outstanding strategic position and a considerable military force and population. It’s better to have Turkey on the team than not.
Says the country who shoot down it’s NATO partner’s UAV because it came too close…lol
Turkey has it’s own set of geopolitical goals that do not align with the one of NATO members, but was this not to be expected?
It doesn’t matter if Erdogan or someone else was in charge, Turkey is an entity that has its goals.
Turkey is at a turning point of just been a strategic place to place nukes to a powerhouse that has more than regional ambitions.
They influence European, African and the Middle Eastern political theatre.
I like how europeans think NATO is there for them :)))
Top analysis, much worth the dollars payed.
“Other ground-breaking revelations by US analyst: fire hot, and water is kind of wet!”
Okay, kick them out. I dare you
“Jonathan Schanzer took part in the designation of many terrorism financiers at the Treasury Department.”
“Ekathimerini”
They are interviewing everybody who has got a bad opinion about Turkey. BTW, Israel killed more civilians than Hamas. So opinion comes from a disgusting hypocrite.
Always has been.
Nice army they’ve got there, though. Nice place for military bases, too.
Now he noticed?? 🤣🤣
Just because they don’t blindly support Israel doesn’t mean they’re a questionable ally.
He’s not an analyst. He’s a lobbyist for FDD. His job is to promote Israel national security interests.
These guys at FDD are supremely arrogant and they don’t care one jot about the broader implications providing it fits their narrow interest.
If Turkey leaves Nato then you may as well concede all of Eurasia to China (apart from India).
West*ids here freak out and try demonise us when we think about our own interests and our own security problems. Just because we have porblems with Sweden and didn’t ratify their bid they think Turkey has to be kicked out of Nato. They support YPG/PKK and call us “state sponsors of terrorism”. He also says we are not supporting Ukraine enough lmao while we sold drones to Ukraine even before the war which might have even saved Kyiv
Question genocide and you become questionable in America’s eyes!
Is that so?
There should be a serious disciplinary action for Turkish government and this is one and only warning. If they continue to behave like that and not embrace Western values and indeed they should be kicked out of the NATO.
“has” become?
lul
Turkey and the US are the backbone of NATO.
The questionable member is Hungary.
He should be more worried about Israel being a questionable partner. An outspoken apartheid state doing everything it can to exterminate a locked up population with tens of thousands of deaths within the past weeks, going unpunished and even supported by the US and other major nations. It’s simply unbelievable.
Most Turks, dont want EU or NATO anyway…and act aggressively against it. Why we should keep them in?
Its very funny when a conversation to kick out Turkey is open, most Turks are very emotional about it…like wtf ?? Stick to the rules or go live your lives…
Turkey is even more valuable as an ally by being this defiant than if it were as a loyal member. This is how they manage to create a good name for themselves within the third world, this is how they manage to have so much respect in the muslim world. But Turkey also still manages to stay on the side of the West in many key matters.
Turkey is extremely valuable because they can do stuff like negotiate Ukraine’s grain deal. They are the ones that can free Azov prisoners. They are the ones that can publicly criticize Israel as harsh as possible to gain the goodwill and trust of the Islamic world while still maintaining relations with Israel and working behind the scenes for negotiations.
Let’s not even speak of how strategically important the Bosporus is and how Istanbul is Europe’s largest city.
Yes, Turkey is problematic in many ways, no, they are not exactly the same as us, yes, they have human rights abuses and they are hypocritical because they literally are colonizing Northern Cyprus and parts of Northern Syria are their vassal statelets. But strategically for the West Turkey is **invaluable** nonetheless. Turkey is more important than almost any country in NATO. It’s through Turkey that the West can negotiate and influence the third world. Meanwhile the West gives Israel a blanque check to kill thousands in Gaza, bombs Libya, invades Iraq etc. We are no angels either.
/r/Europe being full of xenophobic idiots who think Turkey is just another Muslim country and get fooled by Erdogan’s theatrics that he does for internal politics. He literally even accepted Sweden into NATO in the end.
Greece actually left NATO command before. Likewise France. A Greek throwing shade is ironic. Strategically, Turkey can actually fight and hold its own. How many countries does US hold the hand of? Fr, GB, Italy, Turkey can fight next to US as junior partners. The rest are defacto vassals.
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And US is a questionable ally of Turkey…
Hungary:
**Hold my gulasz**
Good morning sweety
let kick turkey out of nato
(upvote if you if you agree)
Been obvious for awhile. They should be thrown out.
The problem with potentially kicking Turkey out of NATO is that it only adds fuel to the fire and would being them closer to Russia.
We should at least stop giving them the latest technology. Just obsolete garbage, so that when they inevitably betray us, they can’t do too much damage.
At this point it’s not even questionable
> America has everything it needs to designate Turkey as a state sponsor of terrorism.
That would be quite a development.
Greek News:Check
Pro Jewish Analyst:Check
Europe that not dare to fight with Russia:Check
Putin’s vehicle for power is Russian ultra-nationalism. Greatest dream of Russian ultra-nationalism before 1917 was to regain “Czargrad” (today Istanbul).
Turkish interests in Central Asia is diametrally opposed to Russia.
Turkey will stay in the NATO-team, everything else would be hilariously stupid.
But Erdogan will bargain for the best price he can get.
Let Cyprus as a whole join Greece.
Try Istanbul, maybe he is better ally
Agreed ✅✅✅
They’ve been “questionable” for a long time. Unfortunately, having them as a NATO member is better then the alternative. They are geographically über important …. essentially they control access to the Black Sea. They have a large standing army that is moderately modern and they offer other benefits.
If they weren’t a member of NATO, I fear they would be much closer to Russia, possibility even an alliance. They would continue to slip closer to China and Iran, as well as other “questionable” nations.
So, sure …. they are a pain in the ass and their democracy continues to decline, but they are important and needed. Erdogan says this kind of stuff primarily for domestic consumption, particularly among the more “conservative” Muslims in Turkey. Does he mean what he says? Maybes a little bit of it, but he knows he very much needs the US/Canada and the EU. When Erdogan finally croaks or is miraculously voted out, Turkey will either reclaim a lot of its democratic integrity, or slip further into democratic decline. Either way, no matter which way it goes, they will stay within NATO if only for our access to the Bosphorus Straits.
Turkish diplomacy is questionable full stop. It’s not just a NATO problem. They’re the equivalent of a schizophrenic neighbor. But because of the Bosphorus we just can’t ignore them.
Ekathimerini
Turkey is a troll, erdogan has shit on both the west and Russia equally, for years. He does that because it sells well in turkey, big strong Islam standing up to infidels and the reason he’s gone full Islamic twat is the coup that very nearly got him. He’s retreated into turkeys past to save his own neck. As long as he’s paying the right oligarchs and talking about how great Allah is he’s safe.
Turkey being a pain that has to be tolerated is just the norm, in fact it’s the entire history of turkey. You simply can’t be enemies with turkey because it’s too strategically important. Thankfully turkey is relatively weak and can’t actually project power in any meaningful way.
No one’s kicking turkey out of NATO, it’s not going to happen.
No shit. Erdogan is literally promoting antisemitism
Honey. Wake up, it’s time for your next “*we should kick Turkey out of NATO*” piece.
When did these stupid pieces started to pop up?
The accession of Sweden and Finland into NATO. Only there did it pop up so frequently.
Turkey initially objected based on a variety of issues with these countries, primarily the activities of a group designated as a terrorist organisation by the United States, European Union and Turkey. And these were objections, that Turkey has every right so speak out as the admission of these countries into NATO would mean that Turkish soldiers could die in defense of these countries. If both Sweden and Finland ask for that by applying for NATO, they should be fair enough to listen to Turkish objections. They’ve done so and issues were solved. Finland joined and Sweden will soon join. NATO is based on mutual trust. If its member can’t trust each other, the organisation becomes obsolote. We’ve seen it with Armenia and CSTO. It’s good that NATO could solve this issue.
[Take a look at the 2023 NATO pre-summit audience poll about the loyalty of Turkey.](https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2023/7/pdf/2300707-pre-summit-research-2023.pdf)
Turkey was there when Article 5 was invoked after 9/11.
Turkey confronted Russia in different theaters long before Ukraine.
Turkey stands with Ukraine and its admission into NATO and with the Western alliance to hold back Russia.
We are entering an age of increased confrontation and conflict. Turkey has an outstanding strategic position and a considerable military force and population. It’s better to have Turkey on the team than not.
Says the country who shoot down it’s NATO partner’s UAV because it came too close…lol
Turkey has it’s own set of geopolitical goals that do not align with the one of NATO members, but was this not to be expected?
It doesn’t matter if Erdogan or someone else was in charge, Turkey is an entity that has its goals.
Turkey is at a turning point of just been a strategic place to place nukes to a powerhouse that has more than regional ambitions.
They influence European, African and the Middle Eastern political theatre.
I like how europeans think NATO is there for them :)))
Top analysis, much worth the dollars payed.
“Other ground-breaking revelations by US analyst: fire hot, and water is kind of wet!”
Okay, kick them out. I dare you
“Jonathan Schanzer took part in the designation of many terrorism financiers at the Treasury Department.”
“Ekathimerini”
They are interviewing everybody who has got a bad opinion about Turkey. BTW, Israel killed more civilians than Hamas. So opinion comes from a disgusting hypocrite.
Always has been.
Nice army they’ve got there, though. Nice place for military bases, too.
Now he noticed?? 🤣🤣
Just because they don’t blindly support Israel doesn’t mean they’re a questionable ally.
He’s not an analyst. He’s a lobbyist for FDD. His job is to promote Israel national security interests.
These guys at FDD are supremely arrogant and they don’t care one jot about the broader implications providing it fits their narrow interest.
If Turkey leaves Nato then you may as well concede all of Eurasia to China (apart from India).
West*ids here freak out and try demonise us when we think about our own interests and our own security problems. Just because we have porblems with Sweden and didn’t ratify their bid they think Turkey has to be kicked out of Nato. They support YPG/PKK and call us “state sponsors of terrorism”. He also says we are not supporting Ukraine enough lmao while we sold drones to Ukraine even before the war which might have even saved Kyiv
Question genocide and you become questionable in America’s eyes!
Is that so?
There should be a serious disciplinary action for Turkish government and this is one and only warning. If they continue to behave like that and not embrace Western values and indeed they should be kicked out of the NATO.
“has” become?
lul
Turkey and the US are the backbone of NATO.
The questionable member is Hungary.
He should be more worried about Israel being a questionable partner. An outspoken apartheid state doing everything it can to exterminate a locked up population with tens of thousands of deaths within the past weeks, going unpunished and even supported by the US and other major nations. It’s simply unbelievable.
Most Turks, dont want EU or NATO anyway…and act aggressively against it. Why we should keep them in?
Its very funny when a conversation to kick out Turkey is open, most Turks are very emotional about it…like wtf ?? Stick to the rules or go live your lives…
Turkey is even more valuable as an ally by being this defiant than if it were as a loyal member. This is how they manage to create a good name for themselves within the third world, this is how they manage to have so much respect in the muslim world. But Turkey also still manages to stay on the side of the West in many key matters.
Turkey is extremely valuable because they can do stuff like negotiate Ukraine’s grain deal. They are the ones that can free Azov prisoners. They are the ones that can publicly criticize Israel as harsh as possible to gain the goodwill and trust of the Islamic world while still maintaining relations with Israel and working behind the scenes for negotiations.
Let’s not even speak of how strategically important the Bosporus is and how Istanbul is Europe’s largest city.
Yes, Turkey is problematic in many ways, no, they are not exactly the same as us, yes, they have human rights abuses and they are hypocritical because they literally are colonizing Northern Cyprus and parts of Northern Syria are their vassal statelets. But strategically for the West Turkey is **invaluable** nonetheless. Turkey is more important than almost any country in NATO. It’s through Turkey that the West can negotiate and influence the third world. Meanwhile the West gives Israel a blanque check to kill thousands in Gaza, bombs Libya, invades Iraq etc. We are no angels either.
/r/Europe being full of xenophobic idiots who think Turkey is just another Muslim country and get fooled by Erdogan’s theatrics that he does for internal politics. He literally even accepted Sweden into NATO in the end.
Greece actually left NATO command before. Likewise France. A Greek throwing shade is ironic. Strategically, Turkey can actually fight and hold its own. How many countries does US hold the hand of? Fr, GB, Italy, Turkey can fight next to US as junior partners. The rest are defacto vassals.