I think Israel is entitled to be “dug in” when there are still scores of hostages held by Hamas, who continue to fire rockets at Israel and threaten another Oct 7.
Hard to do when you get labeled racist islamophobe when the complex situation is caused by the inept LoN/ UN and it was left to fester to the point we are at now. Bibi does have a hand in it. But not on the scale of the ineptitude and anti-semitic neighbors in the arab world.
It’s sad to see what happened to Palestinians in the last 50 years . Jewish people which suffered tremendous on WWII should know how to treat other humans better . It’s tragic to see so many deaths by the both sides . Hopefully this non sense will soon end !
I read what he said in its entirety. It’s exactly how I feel about it. Fuck I miss him.
The whole truth is that both sides decided to demonstrate just how little humanity has evolved. I am at the point where we say fuck it and walk away. Let it sort itself out.
Hamas wants to kill every Israeli. They have said this
So what can you do when your enemy is hiding behind human shields? They hide behind hospitals, mosques etc.
They will not let people to travel to safer areas.
Hamas is the problem not Israel.
Obama never got how things work in the ME, yes, Israel is a Western state but it’s surrounded by ME enemies, a large portion of which value life in a completely different way than Western countries, they dance in the streets when they kill, they pay to families for the death of their terrorists, they target civilians to terror and they’ll never stop doing it because it’s their way of life, that’s why they have honor killings, that’s why they have oppressive regimes, that’s why they kill their LGBT, they can’t change because they don’t want to change, Obama says he doesn’t want children to die while doing everything in his power to make sure Gaza will continue being ruled by terrorists, he’s right, he does play a big part in the reason in how we got to where we are, his inaction and bleeding heart condemned Gaza.
Look at the full picture, stop applying your values to a society that doesn’t share them, when you have cancer you don’t stop chemo so your body can take a break, not unless you decide you want to die.
Let Israel eradicate Hamas and give Gaza a chance at a better future.
EDIT:
Seems some arabs are offended by what I said, don’t really know why, simply stating documented facts.
Uh oh! This whole “the truth is complicated” approach to protracted conflict often does not go over well.
Stating the fact is easy, finding the solution is hard…
I love how the strategy of “Let’s hide amongst the population and use this as propaganda to get the world against Israel” is winning vs constantly being attack and using 21st century asymmetrical warfare, conducting surgical strikes against terrorists.
The amount of people who don’t understand modern military operations and claiming “genocide” is absurd.
If Israel was carpet bombing Hamas and launching any and all indirect fire in Gaza, you’d see 100k+ casualties and then I’d agree with that sentiment.
This seems like a complete non answer by President Obama. Nothing that is actually controversial or not known. Essentially, what happens on 10/7 was horrific, but that the innocent Palestinians in Gaza shouldn’t be victims. I’m not sure anyone, except the fringe shouldn’t disagree with that.
Yep. We can’t forget about the hostages Hamas is still holding and torturing. The whole truth is that Israel can’t stop until every hostage is free.
“it’s all terrible” is just not enough of a statement. There’s nothing he has any control over so theres nothing to really get upset with him about, but it does read like bog standard both-sides-what-can-you-do commentary which we have more than enough of already.
it serves the status quo, serves continued occupation and land theft. but it is nice to hear someone acknowledge the occupation at all.
here i am in complete agreement with obama on this situation.
Obama pussy footing around “it’s not OK for innocent civilians to be killed.” Yet his drone war killed like 80% innocent civilians. About the same numbers in this conflict, if not higher.
Rich coming from Barack “Drone Strike” Obama.
I’m a bit fed up by the “people who didn’t want this” narrative.
Maybe half of Gazas population are children (some of them actually fighting for Hamas at age 16 but still) but their patents aren’t.
The Western nation must stop imagining that the palestinian people is full of indivuduals that think like westerners.
They’re endoctrined, they endoctrine their children, and most most importantly they claw strongly to the hope that Israel will be eradicted and won’t settle for anything less. Islamism play also a huge part in this.
Abbas and the AP are the “moderate”, yet they openly support and finance terror, rejected Israel peace proposals *AND their popularity among palestinian is eroding due to them being too soft*
Israel will never be able to trust them. The West think like Westerners and that if you concede them stuff they will soften and be more peaceful. But that never happen.
Each concession is seen by them as a victory of the terror and encourage them to fight harder.
Guys, Hamas has 20K soldiers. THEY DIDNT COME FROM NOWHERE. Their power come from the palestinian people.
I know its depressing but if Obama and the like want to see peace anyday they must ask the palestinian to take their responsabilities and stop seeing them as victims of Hamas.
Oh and the Palestinians are crying will still firing rockets at civils and holding 240 civiliand hostages, which they celebrated their capture. But theyre the victims right.
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I think Israel is entitled to be “dug in” when there are still scores of hostages held by Hamas, who continue to fire rockets at Israel and threaten another Oct 7.
Hard to do when you get labeled racist islamophobe when the complex situation is caused by the inept LoN/ UN and it was left to fester to the point we are at now. Bibi does have a hand in it. But not on the scale of the ineptitude and anti-semitic neighbors in the arab world.
It’s sad to see what happened to Palestinians in the last 50 years . Jewish people which suffered tremendous on WWII should know how to treat other humans better . It’s tragic to see so many deaths by the both sides . Hopefully this non sense will soon end !
I read what he said in its entirety. It’s exactly how I feel about it. Fuck I miss him.
The whole truth is that both sides decided to demonstrate just how little humanity has evolved. I am at the point where we say fuck it and walk away. Let it sort itself out.
Hamas wants to kill every Israeli. They have said this
So what can you do when your enemy is hiding behind human shields? They hide behind hospitals, mosques etc.
They will not let people to travel to safer areas.
Hamas is the problem not Israel.
Obama never got how things work in the ME, yes, Israel is a Western state but it’s surrounded by ME enemies, a large portion of which value life in a completely different way than Western countries, they dance in the streets when they kill, they pay to families for the death of their terrorists, they target civilians to terror and they’ll never stop doing it because it’s their way of life, that’s why they have honor killings, that’s why they have oppressive regimes, that’s why they kill their LGBT, they can’t change because they don’t want to change, Obama says he doesn’t want children to die while doing everything in his power to make sure Gaza will continue being ruled by terrorists, he’s right, he does play a big part in the reason in how we got to where we are, his inaction and bleeding heart condemned Gaza.
Look at the full picture, stop applying your values to a society that doesn’t share them, when you have cancer you don’t stop chemo so your body can take a break, not unless you decide you want to die.
Let Israel eradicate Hamas and give Gaza a chance at a better future.
EDIT:
Seems some arabs are offended by what I said, don’t really know why, simply stating documented facts.
[Honor Killings
](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killings_by_region)
[Pay-To-Slay](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund)
[LGBT in Palestine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_State_of_Palestine)
[Palestinian violence against civilians](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence#Violence_against_civilians)
[Palestinians celebrating 9/11]
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UucjbGmJILk)
Feel free to educate yourself.
Uh oh! This whole “the truth is complicated” approach to protracted conflict often does not go over well.
Stating the fact is easy, finding the solution is hard…
I love how the strategy of “Let’s hide amongst the population and use this as propaganda to get the world against Israel” is winning vs constantly being attack and using 21st century asymmetrical warfare, conducting surgical strikes against terrorists.
The amount of people who don’t understand modern military operations and claiming “genocide” is absurd.
If Israel was carpet bombing Hamas and launching any and all indirect fire in Gaza, you’d see 100k+ casualties and then I’d agree with that sentiment.
This seems like a complete non answer by President Obama. Nothing that is actually controversial or not known. Essentially, what happens on 10/7 was horrific, but that the innocent Palestinians in Gaza shouldn’t be victims. I’m not sure anyone, except the fringe shouldn’t disagree with that.
Yep. We can’t forget about the hostages Hamas is still holding and torturing. The whole truth is that Israel can’t stop until every hostage is free.
“it’s all terrible” is just not enough of a statement. There’s nothing he has any control over so theres nothing to really get upset with him about, but it does read like bog standard both-sides-what-can-you-do commentary which we have more than enough of already.
it serves the status quo, serves continued occupation and land theft. but it is nice to hear someone acknowledge the occupation at all.
here i am in complete agreement with obama on this situation.
Obama pussy footing around “it’s not OK for innocent civilians to be killed.” Yet his drone war killed like 80% innocent civilians. About the same numbers in this conflict, if not higher.
Rich coming from Barack “Drone Strike” Obama.
I’m a bit fed up by the “people who didn’t want this” narrative.
Maybe half of Gazas population are children (some of them actually fighting for Hamas at age 16 but still) but their patents aren’t.
The Western nation must stop imagining that the palestinian people is full of indivuduals that think like westerners.
They’re endoctrined, they endoctrine their children, and most most importantly they claw strongly to the hope that Israel will be eradicted and won’t settle for anything less. Islamism play also a huge part in this.
Abbas and the AP are the “moderate”, yet they openly support and finance terror, rejected Israel peace proposals *AND their popularity among palestinian is eroding due to them being too soft*
Israel will never be able to trust them. The West think like Westerners and that if you concede them stuff they will soften and be more peaceful. But that never happen.
Each concession is seen by them as a victory of the terror and encourage them to fight harder.
Guys, Hamas has 20K soldiers. THEY DIDNT COME FROM NOWHERE. Their power come from the palestinian people.
I know its depressing but if Obama and the like want to see peace anyday they must ask the palestinian to take their responsabilities and stop seeing them as victims of Hamas.
Oh and the Palestinians are crying will still firing rockets at civils and holding 240 civiliand hostages, which they celebrated their capture. But theyre the victims right.