5.4m on out of work benefits? That can’t be right can it? That’s completely unaffordable.
I’m also surprised these checks weren’t done already. I assume people would just hold it in cash if they wanted to avoid detection.
Makes sense, especially if those checks can have a large chunk of the work automated prior to human approval.
Good. But I think that we should test these fraud prevention systems first before they are rolled out.
Maybe those who were in the COVID-19 VIP Lanes could be a useful study group?
I am assuming that this would effect a small amount of people. I would rather then spent their time investigating more expensive corruption like covid loans, tax evasion, money laundering etc.. rather than all that huge number of people claiming benefits with 16k in the bank.
God I am so bored of all this bullshit.
They have been for years? All banks have reports as part of risk teams that look for accounts of benefit claimants bouncing around 6k, making deposits and withdrawals that don’t make sense etc.
How about we check the accounts of all our elected officials? Let’s see what their hiding too.
So they’re basically taking away people’s right to privacy away because they’re unemployed. Meanwhile, Tory donors…
I hope this doesn’t affect me – I was awarded £25,000 last year from the back log of ESA underpayments. I going to have to dig out the paperwork to make sure it is immune.
What do I do with this kind of money – am I allowed to invest it?
It’s going to be another measure that costs more than it saves but generates great outrage headlines for middle englanders to froth over.
Mint.
So with all the issues we’re facing at the moment, our government has decided to go after the unemployed (again) aswell as the homeless. We’re going to ignore the fact that significantly more money is lost to tax avoidance and evasion than benefit fraud.
Daily reminder more money was lost to accidental overpayments than fraud. If the government sorted this out maybe they wouldn’t need to harass people more
When Covid happened they suspended a whole load of their checking and advertised they were fast-tracking through claims with minimal scrutiny. The result, as I’m sure one could guess, was a huge increase in fraudulent claims.
Seems like they expand fraud checking every other month, but they never catch more fraudsters.
The article suggests 900 million shouldn’t be claimed.
That seems like a lot seeing as in the same article it says 5.4 million are on those benefits.
Divide that 900 million by 5.4 million, would mean each person would only get 166 pounds in an entire year.
Let’s say 2.5 million people claim wrongly.
In a year they get 360 pound fraudulently 😂 that is pitiful seeing as we have pissed billions away elsewhere and have written it off.
The only way this makes sense is if only 1,000 people claim fraudulently. In which case it would be around 900k per fraudster. But if you were paying that much out it would be easy to spot 😂 so it’s going to be tiny. Rile up the beefeaters.
Billions lost to fraud, tax evasion and tax loopholes, not to mention th Covid fraud bonanza, but yeah, let’s go after Sandra who’s claimed an extra £30 to feed her kids
Given how expensive checking who should and shouldn’t receive benefits is we should just remove means testing
I swear every day I get more and more in favour of UBI
Does this mean they’re going after the billions given away in COVID fraud too ?
And of course as usual, the government starts fucking over us disabled folk again because nobody has any empathy for us and they know they can get away with it
Hmm, what about checks into the opaque dealings of millionaire tax evaders too? What’s good for the goose…
I admit I have savings so I got the lowest amount that they would give when I got UC, it was like £150 a month, which most is used for food esp with cost of living…I don’t drink, smoke, or do any drugs. I don’t gamble or anything…any money that remains helps me continue to get on with things like attending my weekly autism group. I don’t do fastfood, I don’t have the latest phone, or a contract, I have no subscriptions to any music, tv streaming service…I do game but none of the money from UC funds it as xbox has a rewards program where you can earn which pays for my Gamepass.
So before everyone considers all UC people are the same, we’re not.
Tories will literally do anything to avoid holding the wealthiest people in the country accountable.
Yeh I’m worried about a random person having a little too much money
Don’t worry about people stealing billions…start at the bottom and work your way up
Pathetic isn’t it
The Tories are just following the Australian conservatives approach to politics. First it was “Stop the Boats” and now it is the UKs version of Robodebt – people should read up on the consequences of that illegal program.
The time is now for replacement of benefits with a UBI for all citizens.
It’s not about fraud, the goal is to keep people poor and desperate. If they have savings then they can weather a sanction, which erodes the coercive control DWP has over them.
This is much more difficult to do than appears at outset. Once upon a time you could form a suspicion that someone receiving Jobseeker’s Allowance was committing benefit fraud, especially if they had a regular wage coming in. Likewise child benefit but the customer was 75 years old etc – profile didn’t fit the benefit type. I’m not saying it’s always as black and white as that, there are always outliers, but a reasonable assumption could be made.
Now, everything is badged as Universal Credit. So the 25 year old brick layer getting UC each week could mean any number of things, and as such suspicion can’t be reasonably formed. As such benefit fraud is extremely difficult and time consuming to detect.
Isn’t the actual fraud levels ridiculously low generally speaking for benefit claimants? It’s actually very very hard despite what the media portrays to fiddle the system.
Of course people do it, but it’s not that easy, I’ve actually seen from experience it’s difficult to get in some cases.
How about we close the loopholes that millionaires and billionaires use on a daily basis to avoid paying their fair share of tax in this country?
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5.4m on out of work benefits? That can’t be right can it? That’s completely unaffordable.
I’m also surprised these checks weren’t done already. I assume people would just hold it in cash if they wanted to avoid detection.
Makes sense, especially if those checks can have a large chunk of the work automated prior to human approval.
Good. But I think that we should test these fraud prevention systems first before they are rolled out.
Maybe those who were in the COVID-19 VIP Lanes could be a useful study group?
I am assuming that this would effect a small amount of people. I would rather then spent their time investigating more expensive corruption like covid loans, tax evasion, money laundering etc.. rather than all that huge number of people claiming benefits with 16k in the bank.
God I am so bored of all this bullshit.
They have been for years? All banks have reports as part of risk teams that look for accounts of benefit claimants bouncing around 6k, making deposits and withdrawals that don’t make sense etc.
How about we check the accounts of all our elected officials? Let’s see what their hiding too.
So they’re basically taking away people’s right to privacy away because they’re unemployed. Meanwhile, Tory donors…
I hope this doesn’t affect me – I was awarded £25,000 last year from the back log of ESA underpayments. I going to have to dig out the paperwork to make sure it is immune.
What do I do with this kind of money – am I allowed to invest it?
It’s going to be another measure that costs more than it saves but generates great outrage headlines for middle englanders to froth over.
Mint.
So with all the issues we’re facing at the moment, our government has decided to go after the unemployed (again) aswell as the homeless. We’re going to ignore the fact that significantly more money is lost to tax avoidance and evasion than benefit fraud.
Daily reminder more money was lost to accidental overpayments than fraud. If the government sorted this out maybe they wouldn’t need to harass people more
When Covid happened they suspended a whole load of their checking and advertised they were fast-tracking through claims with minimal scrutiny. The result, as I’m sure one could guess, was a huge increase in fraudulent claims.
Seems like they expand fraud checking every other month, but they never catch more fraudsters.
The article suggests 900 million shouldn’t be claimed.
That seems like a lot seeing as in the same article it says 5.4 million are on those benefits.
Divide that 900 million by 5.4 million, would mean each person would only get 166 pounds in an entire year.
Let’s say 2.5 million people claim wrongly.
In a year they get 360 pound fraudulently 😂 that is pitiful seeing as we have pissed billions away elsewhere and have written it off.
The only way this makes sense is if only 1,000 people claim fraudulently. In which case it would be around 900k per fraudster. But if you were paying that much out it would be easy to spot 😂 so it’s going to be tiny. Rile up the beefeaters.
Billions lost to fraud, tax evasion and tax loopholes, not to mention th Covid fraud bonanza, but yeah, let’s go after Sandra who’s claimed an extra £30 to feed her kids
Given how expensive checking who should and shouldn’t receive benefits is we should just remove means testing
[https://www.ubilabnetwork.org/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-give-someone-one-pound-in-benefits](https://www.ubilabnetwork.org/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-give-someone-one-pound-in-benefits)
I swear every day I get more and more in favour of UBI
Does this mean they’re going after the billions given away in COVID fraud too ?
And of course as usual, the government starts fucking over us disabled folk again because nobody has any empathy for us and they know they can get away with it
Hmm, what about checks into the opaque dealings of millionaire tax evaders too? What’s good for the goose…
I admit I have savings so I got the lowest amount that they would give when I got UC, it was like £150 a month, which most is used for food esp with cost of living…I don’t drink, smoke, or do any drugs. I don’t gamble or anything…any money that remains helps me continue to get on with things like attending my weekly autism group. I don’t do fastfood, I don’t have the latest phone, or a contract, I have no subscriptions to any music, tv streaming service…I do game but none of the money from UC funds it as xbox has a rewards program where you can earn which pays for my Gamepass.
So before everyone considers all UC people are the same, we’re not.
Tories will literally do anything to avoid holding the wealthiest people in the country accountable.
Yeh I’m worried about a random person having a little too much money
Don’t worry about people stealing billions…start at the bottom and work your way up
Pathetic isn’t it
The Tories are just following the Australian conservatives approach to politics. First it was “Stop the Boats” and now it is the UKs version of Robodebt – people should read up on the consequences of that illegal program.
The time is now for replacement of benefits with a UBI for all citizens.
It’s not about fraud, the goal is to keep people poor and desperate. If they have savings then they can weather a sanction, which erodes the coercive control DWP has over them.
This is much more difficult to do than appears at outset. Once upon a time you could form a suspicion that someone receiving Jobseeker’s Allowance was committing benefit fraud, especially if they had a regular wage coming in. Likewise child benefit but the customer was 75 years old etc – profile didn’t fit the benefit type. I’m not saying it’s always as black and white as that, there are always outliers, but a reasonable assumption could be made.
Now, everything is badged as Universal Credit. So the 25 year old brick layer getting UC each week could mean any number of things, and as such suspicion can’t be reasonably formed. As such benefit fraud is extremely difficult and time consuming to detect.
Isn’t the actual fraud levels ridiculously low generally speaking for benefit claimants? It’s actually very very hard despite what the media portrays to fiddle the system.
Of course people do it, but it’s not that easy, I’ve actually seen from experience it’s difficult to get in some cases.
How about we close the loopholes that millionaires and billionaires use on a daily basis to avoid paying their fair share of tax in this country?