We should start building brick walls 10 meter thick around EU with a 24/7 guard watch.
They have to go back.
Fences are so obsolete and unsightly. Mine fields I trust would be a better solution.
We could start with politics that aren’t that wishy-washy… and be quick in granting or denying asylum.
If denied, immediately go back and you can appeal the decision from elsewhere.
If asylum is granted, they should have most of the rights (working, housing, etc.) and not live in limbo for 3 or more years, being almost integrated and then say: “You know what? NO!” Wheras those who do crime (maybe a small percentage) are granted asylum for having mental issues and are vulnerable.
Lol. Always the same with these types.
“If you don’t have borders, you can’t have problems at your borders.”
Sorry, we are already building one.
There can be 10m tall walls but if laws don’t change it means little, immigration laws have to be stricter so there’s no legal basis for unwanted immigration. Also fine the NGOs that smuggle people across borders
These ops can be boiled to “Let’s just make it happen that Africa and the Middle East becomed 3 times richer by next July! Then we don’t NEED fences! Also, why don’t you just make Afganistan peacefull and prosperous? By my calculations it is cheaper than building a fence!”
It can and it will be.
> Fences on the border can’t be Europe’s future
Sure they can.
>However, in the long term, this strategy will be damaging to both the EU’s economy and reputation.
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>Experts proved long ago that increasing opportunities and routes of legal immigration, including regulated access to the labour market for foreign workers, is highly effective in the struggle against unauthorised migration, and that diplomacy is more effective in solving issues of security and border protection.
That may be entirely true, and I would say that the EU would probably benefit economically and geopolitically by taking in a substantial amount of immigration from outside the EU.
However, whether it is *possible* to block immigration and whether it is a *good idea* to do so are two different matters.
>Over the course of the three decades following the end of the Cold War and the fall of the Berlin Wall, European countries have built fences and protective structures six times the length of the toppled Berlin Wall.
I don’t think that there’s a compelling analogy here. The Berlin Wall was built by the Eastern Bloc to keep people from leaving the less-fun side of the Iron Curtain, not by the West to keep them from entering.
>Before the Wall’s erection, 3.5 million East Germans circumvented Eastern Bloc emigration restrictions and defected from the GDR, many by crossing over the border from East Berlin into West Berlin; from there they could then travel to West Germany and to other Western European countries. Between 1961 and 1989, the Wall prevented almost all such emigration. During this period, over 100,000 people attempted to escape, and over 5,000 people succeeded in escaping over the Wall, with an estimated death toll ranging from 136 to more than 200 in and around Berlin.
As long as asylum policies are de facto immigration policies, fences and walls will be, and should be, Europe’s future.
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I agree fences are pretty lame.
We should start building brick walls 10 meter thick around EU with a 24/7 guard watch.
They have to go back.
Fences are so obsolete and unsightly. Mine fields I trust would be a better solution.
We could start with politics that aren’t that wishy-washy… and be quick in granting or denying asylum.
If denied, immediately go back and you can appeal the decision from elsewhere.
If asylum is granted, they should have most of the rights (working, housing, etc.) and not live in limbo for 3 or more years, being almost integrated and then say: “You know what? NO!” Wheras those who do crime (maybe a small percentage) are granted asylum for having mental issues and are vulnerable.
Lol. Always the same with these types.
“If you don’t have borders, you can’t have problems at your borders.”
Sorry, we are already building one.
There can be 10m tall walls but if laws don’t change it means little, immigration laws have to be stricter so there’s no legal basis for unwanted immigration. Also fine the NGOs that smuggle people across borders
These ops can be boiled to “Let’s just make it happen that Africa and the Middle East becomed 3 times richer by next July! Then we don’t NEED fences! Also, why don’t you just make Afganistan peacefull and prosperous? By my calculations it is cheaper than building a fence!”
It can and it will be.
> Fences on the border can’t be Europe’s future
Sure they can.
>However, in the long term, this strategy will be damaging to both the EU’s economy and reputation.
–
>Experts proved long ago that increasing opportunities and routes of legal immigration, including regulated access to the labour market for foreign workers, is highly effective in the struggle against unauthorised migration, and that diplomacy is more effective in solving issues of security and border protection.
That may be entirely true, and I would say that the EU would probably benefit economically and geopolitically by taking in a substantial amount of immigration from outside the EU.
However, whether it is *possible* to block immigration and whether it is a *good idea* to do so are two different matters.
>Over the course of the three decades following the end of the Cold War and the fall of the Berlin Wall, European countries have built fences and protective structures six times the length of the toppled Berlin Wall.
I don’t think that there’s a compelling analogy here. The Berlin Wall was built by the Eastern Bloc to keep people from leaving the less-fun side of the Iron Curtain, not by the West to keep them from entering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall
>Before the Wall’s erection, 3.5 million East Germans circumvented Eastern Bloc emigration restrictions and defected from the GDR, many by crossing over the border from East Berlin into West Berlin; from there they could then travel to West Germany and to other Western European countries. Between 1961 and 1989, the Wall prevented almost all such emigration. During this period, over 100,000 people attempted to escape, and over 5,000 people succeeded in escaping over the Wall, with an estimated death toll ranging from 136 to more than 200 in and around Berlin.
As long as asylum policies are de facto immigration policies, fences and walls will be, and should be, Europe’s future.
Should be on external border.