can’t they do that already? “ontslag wegens niet-dringende reden”
sure, you’re going to have to pay them a heap of money but you wouldn’t put money in front of lives right?
Doesn’t the healthcare sector already struggle with finding personnel?
Seems reasonable to me. Freedom of choice does not incur freedom of consequences. We already have precedent with plenty of vaccines being mandatory for various jobs, including in healthcare.
And by simply ALLOWING hospitals to take this measure, the government allows hospitals to make their own (likely better tailored) decisions. If hospitals believe they’d have insufficient staff, they can simply… not fire people?
Good, fuck em.
Their duty is to their patients and by not vaccinating they’re putting themselves and others at risk.
And well they’re downright dangerous, nurses and staff have enough knowledge to have some understanding of medical concepts but not nearly enough to be an authority on the subject.
Yet their status lends them undue credentials when it comes to vaccine doubters.
They can tout “see, these nurses / staff from hospital X agree with us so our movement is right”.
I can barely understand why random boomers believe Facebook memes over doctors and health officials… but people who actually work in the sector? Yeah, if you think some dude who sells ‘health supplements’ and recommends horse dewormer over the vaccine, you shouldn’t be working in that sector.
Honestly, I’m worried just how many vaccines have ended up on the floor because someone wanted to get their card but had a friend in healthcare willing to fake it for them.
There is a difference between “can” and “will”.
I know for a fact that in the hospital where my GF works, a lot of her colleagues are not vaccinated (by a lot, I mean give or take 30%). Add to that that there is a major understaffing going on…
However, there are too little people working in healthcare. Especially in Geriatrics (where they care for old people). Even if this “you are fired because you are not vaccinated” becomes a thing, its a measure that won’t be put to practice. Simply because they won’t find replacements for A.) the employees that are already missing, B.) the employees that will get fired.
With the up-and-coming craze about “consultancy nurses” (like the kind that are working for a consultancy firm, get a way better salary with company car etc), are in a different paritair comité and not really fall under all those “real” healtcare-worker-laws, it won’t really matter.
They’ll get fired, look for another job, realise that real healtcare-workers are underpaid & overworked, and use that “loophole”.
EG: my girlfriend worked in geriatrics in hospital A. She made around 1800€ netto, with no real benefits.
Right now she works for a nurse-consultancy firm, she makes around 2000€ netto, with group insurance, a nice Mercedes A-class, unlimited fuelcard, way higher “shift-work” compensation, double salary when working night-shift, a decent yearly-bonus, … Best of it all, she is working in exactly the same hospital, in exactly the same department.
End-result is that the hospital pays a lot more for her doing the exact same job. Which in turn results in healthcare getting more expensive.
I remember last year, when all of Belgium got outside to clap their hands for everyone in healthcare. Well, thanks for supporting her. It doesn’t change the fact that we haven’t celebrated new-years eve, Christmas, birthdays, together since years. Or earning a decent wage. Or having more than 1 free weekend in a row.
**Conclusion: please make healthcare worker more attractive, instead of pushing people away.**
As an FYI if you read the article, the 5% that aren’t vaccinated are mostly stating health reasons, and those can be valid.
My sister is a nurse and I’ve talked a lot with her about mandatory vaccination. Even though she and almost all her colleagues are vaccinated (one isn’t due to health reasons), they are very upset by having mandatory vaccinations for only healthcare personnel.
After going through hell during the covid waves and being chronically understaffed, getting very little for their efforts, they (the small number of non-vaccinated – at least where she works) now risk losing their jobs while patients and visitors can just come in unvaccinated and risk their (including vaccinated) health.
Medical people’s lack of trust and faith in modern developments in the medical field and overall science keeps on flabbergasting me every time. And we as patients are supposed to put our faith, health and vulnerable bodies in the hands of these people?
Is it my freedom to ask to be treated only by vaccinated staff?
Benefits for vaccinated health care workers would be that when they get infected, they beat of the infection faster and have a shorter period of time when they are infectious themselves to other people.
However, I support the freedom of choice. I suggest a campaign carried by hospital admin, where clear information with benefits of vaccination gets presented to these people in order to at least crank up the numbers a little bit.
Also, I don’t see why understaffed hospitals want to fire 30% of their workforce. Sounds like a disaster to me.
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can’t they do that already? “ontslag wegens niet-dringende reden”
sure, you’re going to have to pay them a heap of money but you wouldn’t put money in front of lives right?
Doesn’t the healthcare sector already struggle with finding personnel?
Seems reasonable to me. Freedom of choice does not incur freedom of consequences. We already have precedent with plenty of vaccines being mandatory for various jobs, including in healthcare.
And by simply ALLOWING hospitals to take this measure, the government allows hospitals to make their own (likely better tailored) decisions. If hospitals believe they’d have insufficient staff, they can simply… not fire people?
Good, fuck em.
Their duty is to their patients and by not vaccinating they’re putting themselves and others at risk.
And well they’re downright dangerous, nurses and staff have enough knowledge to have some understanding of medical concepts but not nearly enough to be an authority on the subject.
Yet their status lends them undue credentials when it comes to vaccine doubters.
They can tout “see, these nurses / staff from hospital X agree with us so our movement is right”.
I can barely understand why random boomers believe Facebook memes over doctors and health officials… but people who actually work in the sector? Yeah, if you think some dude who sells ‘health supplements’ and recommends horse dewormer over the vaccine, you shouldn’t be working in that sector.
Honestly, I’m worried just how many vaccines have ended up on the floor because someone wanted to get their card but had a friend in healthcare willing to fake it for them.
There is a difference between “can” and “will”.
I know for a fact that in the hospital where my GF works, a lot of her colleagues are not vaccinated (by a lot, I mean give or take 30%). Add to that that there is a major understaffing going on…
However, there are too little people working in healthcare. Especially in Geriatrics (where they care for old people). Even if this “you are fired because you are not vaccinated” becomes a thing, its a measure that won’t be put to practice. Simply because they won’t find replacements for A.) the employees that are already missing, B.) the employees that will get fired.
With the up-and-coming craze about “consultancy nurses” (like the kind that are working for a consultancy firm, get a way better salary with company car etc), are in a different paritair comité and not really fall under all those “real” healtcare-worker-laws, it won’t really matter.
They’ll get fired, look for another job, realise that real healtcare-workers are underpaid & overworked, and use that “loophole”.
EG: my girlfriend worked in geriatrics in hospital A. She made around 1800€ netto, with no real benefits.
Right now she works for a nurse-consultancy firm, she makes around 2000€ netto, with group insurance, a nice Mercedes A-class, unlimited fuelcard, way higher “shift-work” compensation, double salary when working night-shift, a decent yearly-bonus, … Best of it all, she is working in exactly the same hospital, in exactly the same department.
End-result is that the hospital pays a lot more for her doing the exact same job. Which in turn results in healthcare getting more expensive.
I remember last year, when all of Belgium got outside to clap their hands for everyone in healthcare. Well, thanks for supporting her. It doesn’t change the fact that we haven’t celebrated new-years eve, Christmas, birthdays, together since years. Or earning a decent wage. Or having more than 1 free weekend in a row.
**Conclusion: please make healthcare worker more attractive, instead of pushing people away.**
As an FYI if you read the article, the 5% that aren’t vaccinated are mostly stating health reasons, and those can be valid.
My sister is a nurse and I’ve talked a lot with her about mandatory vaccination. Even though she and almost all her colleagues are vaccinated (one isn’t due to health reasons), they are very upset by having mandatory vaccinations for only healthcare personnel.
After going through hell during the covid waves and being chronically understaffed, getting very little for their efforts, they (the small number of non-vaccinated – at least where she works) now risk losing their jobs while patients and visitors can just come in unvaccinated and risk their (including vaccinated) health.
Medical people’s lack of trust and faith in modern developments in the medical field and overall science keeps on flabbergasting me every time. And we as patients are supposed to put our faith, health and vulnerable bodies in the hands of these people?
Is it my freedom to ask to be treated only by vaccinated staff?
Benefits for vaccinated health care workers would be that when they get infected, they beat of the infection faster and have a shorter period of time when they are infectious themselves to other people.
However, I support the freedom of choice. I suggest a campaign carried by hospital admin, where clear information with benefits of vaccination gets presented to these people in order to at least crank up the numbers a little bit.
Also, I don’t see why understaffed hospitals want to fire 30% of their workforce. Sounds like a disaster to me.